GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VIII

[Morgs]

Hypothetically if Eklund is right and we are actually interested in Ristolainen....I have to assume he can be had for cheap tbh. He's on like the 3rd tier of defenseman available and he hasn't had the greatest of years in Philly. Albeit, i don't know how much that has to do with just playing for a bad team. No one stands out in Philly


Would ya'll do Ristolainen for Holl 1 for 1?

Holl is a serviceable top-4 defenseman who's so slow and makes bad plays once and a while that makes us hate him. Ristolainen is one of the worst defenseman in hockey, makes significantly more, and makes good players (poor Sanheim) look like they forgot how to play hockey.

So, no. I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole.

 

[aingefan]

So, who’s Miller-lite?

A guy with suppressed value, maybe? A little term, needs a change of scenery? Where maybe he won’t cost an arm and a leg? Who’s not Max Domi.

 

[ACC1224]

Hypothetically if Eklund is right and we are actually interested in Ristolainen....I have to assume he can be had for cheap tbh. He's on like the 3rd tier of defenseman available and he hasn't had the greatest of years in Philly. Albeit, i don't know how much that has to do with just playing for a bad team. No one stands out in Philly


Would ya'll do Ristolainen for Holl 1 for 1?

Think that's an easy pass I'm sure for many.
Better player than Holl but not by a lot, makes a bunch more money and UFA after this season I believe.

I see Holl being an add on to a deal for a significant player or kept in the press box in case of injury.

 

[Morgs]

So, who’s Miller-lite?

A guy with suppressed value, maybe? A little term, needs a change of scenery? Where maybe he won’t cost an arm and a leg? Who’s not Max Domi.

Brandon Hagel or Jake DeBrusk are probably the best fits based on your criteria.

...but a guy I'd be really interested in is Dylan Strome if Chicago is willing to part with him cheaper than Hagel. Give him a few guys with the ability to finish and he can be a very effective 3C for us long-term.

 

[Morgs]

Didn't see this posted

 

[The Podium]

Think that's an easy pass I'm sure for many.
Better player than Holl but not by a lot, makes a bunch more money and UFA after this season I believe.

I see Holl being an add on to a deal for a significant player or kept in the press box in case of injury.

Your vendetta against Holl is clouding your judgement if you think Risto is better than Holl.

Risto may literally be the worst defensive defenseman in the league.

The only reason you may think Holl is worse, is because of your extended exposure to Holl. But Risto is essentially game 7 Gardiner every single game.

 

[aingefan]

Didn't see this posted

I’m okay with this.
Nice bit of support for Rodion, too.
Hoping the others include Steeves, Holmberg, Abramov, and Tverberg.
There’s lots of contributing cheap complementary talent on the way.

 

[Morgs]

I’m okay with this.
Nice bit of support for Rodion, too.
Hoping the others include Steeves, Holmberg, Abramov, and Tverberg.
There’s lots of contributing cheap complementary talent on the way.

I mean I'd understand trading some of them if he found the right fit/upgrade.

As an avid draft guy I *really* want the Leafs to keep their 1st, but its hard to see a legitimate upgrade long term without it going the other way. Just sucks.

 

[ACC1224]

Didn't see this posted

Seems a little unrealistic unless they aren't looking for some top end upgrades.

 

[aingefan]

Brandon Hagel or Jake DeBrusk are probably the best fits based on your criteria.

...but a guy I'd be really interested in is Dylan Strome if Chicago is willing to part with him cheaper than Hagel. Give him a few guys with the ability to finish and he can be a very effective 3C for us long-term.

Hagel’s term and contact are perfect. Not sure the player is. I’d trust the scouts.
Strome is interesting but with RFA risk. Having a centre that pushes people down the lineup and could possibly move up (say if Johnny T moves to the wing) is an attractive idea.
How’s his 2-way game?

 

[The Podium]

Hagel’s term and contact are perfect. Not sure the player is. I’d trust the scouts.
Strome is interesting but with RFA risk. Having a centre that pushes people down the lineup and could possibly move up (say if Johnny T moves to the wing) is an attractive idea.
How’s his 2-way game?

Hes a decent all around, great no where type player. Probably would be well suited as a 3C on a team that can insulate him with great defensive wingers.

 

[aingefan]

Hes a decent all around, great no where type player. Probably would be well suited as a 3C on a team that can insulate him with great defensive wingers.

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Could he hang with Willy and JT?

 

[dubplatepressure]

Seems a little unrealistic unless they aren't looking for some top end upgrades.

I think the likes of Giordano, Braun, etc we can probably still scrape out a package; one of Dermott or Holl, a depth forward, a 2nd, and guys like Steeves, Abramov, etc.

 

[Morgs]

Could he hang with Willy and JT?

His skating is a good match for JT, his brain is a good match for Will, but his play-style is more of a "put two hard workers beside him and give him the puck" type of guy. Very effective with the puck on his stick, but coaches have issues with him when it's not there.

Put him with say Engvall & Kase and you have an extremely effective middle-6 line that wil create chances and score.

 

[The Podium]

Could he hang with Willy and JT?

Skating and IQ matches well with JT, could probably get Willy the puck effectively as well.

However, he isn’t quick enough to back check effectively, and if JT is playing wing he wouldn’t be able to either. Defensive responsibilities would fall on Willy and obviously that’s a problem.

I’d probably say this would be most effective:
Engvall/Kerfoot/Mik - Strome - Kase

 

[Zybalto]

A quick statistical look at J.T. Miller:

5v5 (and ranking out of the 7 big minutes forwards with 600+ 5v5 minutes on the Canucks):

Goals/60: 0.75 (2nd out of 7)
Assists/60: 0.92 (3rd out of 7)
Points/60: 1.67 (2nd out of 7)

CF%: 49.98 (7th out of 7)
SF%: 48.73 (7th out of 7)
SCF%: 47.00 (7th out of 7)
HDCF%: 44.50 (7th out of 7)
xGF%: 47.00 (7th out of 7)
GF%: 49.47 (6th out of 7)


PP: (The obvious bright spot for him)

Goals/60: 1.99 (4th on the team)
Assists/60: 6.63 (1st on the team)
Points/60: 1.67 (1st on the team)

xGF/60: 7.3
GF/60: 10.27

PK: (He plays the most forward minutes on the Canucks PK...the worst PK in the NHL)

xGA/60: 8.72
GA/60: 9.98

It remains unpredictable how he would transition to a much better team than the Canucks but he is one of the worst overall 5v5 players on the team but is pretty good offensive producer overall, mainly on the PP.....but is a PP guy really what this team needs? The only thing standing out as elite and the main thing driving up his price is that he gets a lot of assists on the PP. Maybe he would gel better with Toronto's improved lineup but it's a helluva gamble to make after getting burned with vet forwards year after year and considering Toronto's PP is already best in the league. We also got a pretty good look at him last season and I came away....let's say....less than impressed.

Looking at the crazy asking price, this guy is fools gold IMO. Don't touch him.

 

[aingefan]

I mean I'd understand trading some of them if he found the right fit/upgrade.

As an avid draft guy I *really* want the Leafs to keep their 1st, but its hard to see a legitimate upgrade long term without it going the other way. Just sucks.

I hear you, I would love overflowing cupboards, stocked with prospects… Trading every impending free agent for pics… All while having an incredible NHL

 

[Morgs]

A quick statistical look at J.T. Miller:

5v5 (and ranking out of the 7 big minutes forwards with 600+ 5v5 minutes on the Canucks):

Goals/60: 0.75 (2nd out of 7)
Assists/60: 0.92 (3rd out of 7)
Points/60: 1.67 (2nd out of 7)

CF%: 49.98 (7th out of 7)
SF%: 48.73 (7th out of 7)
SCF%: 47.00 (7th out of 7)
HDCF%: 44.50 (7th out of 7)
xGF%: 47.00 (7th out of 7)
GF%: 49.47 (6th out of 7)


PP: (The obvious bright spot for him)

Goals/60: 1.99 (4th on the team)
Assists/60: 6.63 (1st on the team)
Points/60: 1.67 (1st on the team)

xGF/60: 7.3
GF/60: 10.27

PK: (He plays the most forward minutes on the Canucks PK...the worst PK in the NHL)

xGA/60: 8.72
GA/60: 9.98

It remains unpredictable how he would transition to a much better team than the Canucks but he is one of the worst overall 5v5 players on the team but is pretty good offensive producer overall, mainly on the PP.....but is a PP guy really what this team needs? The only thing standing out as elite and the main thing driving up his price is that he gets a lot of assists on the PP. Maybe he would gel better with Toronto's improved lineup but it's a helluva gamble to make after getting burned with vet forwards year after year and considering Toronto's PP is already best in the league. We also got a pretty good look at him last season and I came away....let's say....less than impressed.

Looking at the crazy asking price, this guy is fools gold IMO. Don't touch him.

Agreed. I do think him not being "the guy" will definitely cut into his production. He would be a good fit on either of our top-6 lines, but I just don't see how in the hell people think he's worth significantly more than the 1st + B prospect + nhl player that typically guys like him go for.

 

[Sypher04]

I think the likes of Giordano, Braun, etc we can probably still scrape out a package; one of Dermott or Holl, a depth forward, a 2nd, and guys like Steeves, Abramov, etc.

I’d say Pysyk is another guy who should not cost too much and could make some sense.

 

[Cor]

I’d say Pysyk is another guy who should not cost too much and could make some sense.

Pysyk good as a depth guy. Similar to Schenn. Person who can come in if Liljegren struggles for example.

 

[aingefan]

Pysyk good as a depth guy. Similar to Schenn. Person who can come in if Liljegren struggles for example.

Which will never happen

 

[aingefan]

KD loves Nick Abruzzese.
My money’s on him being the next ELC ASAP.

 

[Magic Man]

A quick statistical look at J.T. Miller:

5v5 (and ranking out of the 7 big minutes forwards with 600+ 5v5 minutes on the Canucks):

Goals/60: 0.75 (2nd out of 7)
Assists/60: 0.92 (3rd out of 7)
Points/60: 1.67 (2nd out of 7)

CF%: 49.98 (7th out of 7)
SF%: 48.73 (7th out of 7)
SCF%: 47.00 (7th out of 7)
HDCF%: 44.50 (7th out of 7)
xGF%: 47.00 (7th out of 7)
GF%: 49.47 (6th out of 7)


PP: (The obvious bright spot for him)

Goals/60: 1.99 (4th on the team)
Assists/60: 6.63 (1st on the team)
Points/60: 1.67 (1st on the team)

xGF/60: 7.3
GF/60: 10.27

PK: (He plays the most forward minutes on the Canucks PK...the worst PK in the NHL)

xGA/60: 8.72
GA/60: 9.98

It remains unpredictable how he would transition to a much better team than the Canucks but he is one of the worst overall 5v5 players on the team but is pretty good offensive producer overall, mainly on the PP.....but is a PP guy really what this team needs? The only thing standing out as elite and the main thing driving up his price is that he gets a lot of assists on the PP. Maybe he would gel better with Toronto's improved lineup but it's a helluva gamble to make after getting burned with vet forwards year after year and considering Toronto's PP is already best in the league. We also got a pretty good look at him last season and I came away....let's say....less than impressed.

Looking at the crazy asking price, this guy is fools gold IMO. Don't touch him.

David Kampf led Blackhawks forwards last season in shorthanded ice time per game. His team was ranked 4th from the bottom. Kampf now leads Leafs forwards in short handed ice time, the 4th best team.

Miller actually would really help the penalty kill. Kerfoot can't take draws, they often put Spezza out there to take them. Miller is good at faceoffs and could replace a PK'er on unit #2 given his skillset.

 

[kb]

All people have to do to have a general idea of what JT Miller will do here when his is not "the guy" is to look at his full season with TB.

 

[Sypher04]

David Kampf led Blackhawks forwards last season in shorthanded ice time per game. His team was ranked 4th from the bottom. Kampf now leads Leafs forwards in short handed ice time, the 4th best team.

Miller actually would really help the penalty kill. Kerfoot can't take draws, they often put Spezza out there to take them. Miller is good at faceoffs and could replace a PK'er on unit #2 given his skillset.

Miller would be great and all on paper, but the acquisition cost and cap space we would need for him next year make it a non-starter to me. I have zero interest in moving Liljegren, and all the reports are saying Vancouver is high on him.