GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VIII

[Avilaj07]

With the emergence of Sandin and Liljegren this last little while, there's 0 chance I am trading either one of them. Ideally, we find a top 4 LHD to pair with Liljegren and keep Sandin and Lyubushkin.

Options-
Chychrun
Linhdolm
Giordano
Chiarot

Rielly-Brodie
One of the 4 above-Liljegren
Sandin-Lyubuskin
Dermott

 

[fahad203]

Dallas once traded Iginla for Niewendyk

If we want a quality player with terms like Miller or a RHD we are going to have to part with one of our top prospect

We believe in this team or we dont. If we do, then lets go for it

 

[SprDaVE]

Habs are going to sign Kadri, aren't they?

Kadri grew up as a Habs fan. Makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[Griffin76]

With the emergence of Sandin and Liljegren this last little while, there's 0 chance I am trading either one of them. Ideally, we find a top 4 LHD to pair with Liljegren and keep Sandin and Lyubushkin.

Options-
Chychrun
Linhdolm
Giordano
Chiarot

Rielly-Brodie
One of the 4 above-Liljegren
Sandin-Lyubuskin
Dermott

This guy gets it.

 

[ToneDog]

This guy gets it.

Most likely one would need to go the other way. Would you trade Sandin+ for Chychrun? I like Sandy but I would include him in a deal for Chychrun.

 

[dubplatepressure]

This guy gets it.

Seems like that's what most of us are saying?

 

[VanW27]

Kadri grew up as a Habs fan. Makes a lot of sense to me.

I hope they do, it would be fun seeing Naz back in the division but more importantly it would be an absolute disaster of a move by Montreal.

2016-17	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	82	32	29	61	95	-7
2017-18	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	80	32	23	55	42	2
2018-19	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	73	16	28	44	43	-2
2019-20	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	51	19	17	36	97	7
2020-21	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	56	11	21	32	34	-7
2021-22	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	48	22	42	64	52	21

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

He's 31 and was on a steady decline until his absolutely massive offensive explosion this year, last year Avs fans were ready to fire him into the sun.

The guy is going to cash in on this contract year and some team is going to give him gritty #1C money and are going to get a 3C. Big UFA deals almost always hurt on the back end, this one is going to hurt from the moment it gets signed. Think Tyler Seguin but the deal runs from ages 32 - 39 instead of ending at age 35.

 

[mydnyte]

Unfortunately muzz sounded scared after his first concussion. Based on his own words. He was off first for a month. Then immediately out cold.

i doubt he comes back before the playoffs and wouldn’t be surprised if he is out til next year.

we have like 9 weeks so IF he has any issues that caused his other problems like a groin etc they should clean it up with surgery or whatever he needs.

let him stay out til playoffs. Then hope he can be a 3rd pair d maybe.


Rielly. Brodie
Xxxx. Sandin
Muzzin. Lub
Holl.

with Lilly as the 8th looks good. If muzz can play top 4 in playoffs great. But really can’t count on it now.

I've seen guys retire under similar circumstance. I dont think he came back 100% fully 'healthy' from the 1st concussion, and thats why they rushed out, and instantly moved him to ltir

 

[mydnyte]

With the emergence of Sandin and Liljegren this last little while, there's 0 chance I am trading either one of them. Ideally, we find a top 4 LHD to pair with Liljegren and keep Sandin and Lyubushkin.

Options-
Chychrun
Linhdolm
Giordano
Chiarot

Rielly-Brodie
One of the 4 above-Liljegren
Sandin-Lyubuskin
Dermott

3 of those are expensive rentals, and then there is Chychrun.
Sandin would need to be in a package for him, and that would be fine, because, he would take over the #2 LD spot and Sandin wouldnt get a chance if Muzzin gets back, and he sucked pretty bad on the right.
the determining factor is, do you think Sandin will be a better player than Chychrun long term, and make, or do not make a deal based on that evaluation since it will also take extra assets to get Chychrun.

 

[kb]

Why are we trading either for Chychrun? Have people watched him?

I can 100% guarantee that the posters advocating for him haven't watched him play. I remember being villified for my stance on Severson until......they watched.

 

[Legion34]

I've seen guys retire under similar circumstance. I dont think he came back 100% fully 'healthy' from the 1st concussion, and thats why they rushed out, and instantly moved him to ltir

what’s weird is how the leafs are so cautious. But muzzin himself basically said he was playing scared after the first one. No disrespect to the man. They are his own admissions.

now he goes completely out. Arms stiff in front of himself like a full ufc knockout. Less than 2 months after the first. I can see him calling it quits. At least for the season.

And if he does for good. No disrespect. He has things to live for outside of hockey.

I don’t see why he came back when he wasn’t mentally ready. It’s not like we will miss playoffs. We are getting florida Tampa or carolina.

Does ir really matter which?

 

[Burnie97]

I wouldn't mind Gio. He's the only rental I'd consider to go for but I'm not giving a ton for him and I don't think the team that gets him will have to go to crazy.

I'd still like to see Robertson and Ho sang get opportunities before the end of the season. We could still use another LW like Bunting though.

Not totally sold on our goaltending either. See how the next couple weeks go I guess.

 

[Avilaj07]

3 of those are expensive rentals, and then there is Chychrun.
Sandin would need to be in a package for him, and that would be fine, because, he would take over the #2 LD spot and Sandin wouldnt get a chance if Muzzin gets back, and he sucked pretty bad on the right.
the determining factor is, do you think Sandin will be a better player than Chychrun long term, and make, or do not make a deal based on that evaluation since it will also take extra assets to get Chychrun.

While 3 out of the 4 are rentals, I believe we should be able to get any of the 4 minus Chychrun without having the include one of Sandin or Liljegren.

Chychrun = 1st Round Pick + Sandin + prospect
Lindholm= 1st Round Pick + Niemela + Holl
Giordano = 1st Round Pick + Holl
Chiarot= 2nd Round Pick + Dermott/Holl

 

[showtime8]

Is Gio still able to put up the big minutes in the playoffs? He's still playing 21 minutes a night, but can he continue that?

 

[SprDaVE]

I wouldn't mind Gio. He's the only rental I'd consider to go for but I'm not giving a ton for him and I don't think the team that gets him will have to go to crazy.

I'd still like to see Robertson and Ho sang gets opportunities before the end of the season. We could still use another LW like Bunting though.

Yeah I think he fits the best if Muzzin is out until the playoffs. The Leafs can probably easily re-sign him to a 1 year extension as well, which wouldn't make him a rental anymore.

I'm not sure of the price but I think Gio will decide where he wants to go and that might lower the cost a little bit. I think Holl would be a good chip to send back and to make the cap work a little better.

With all that said, I've been liking Dermotts play lately. Maybe it'll be good enough.

 

[kb]

Is Gio still able to put up the big minutes in the playoffs? He's still playing 21 minutes a night, but can he continue that?

He won't have to once Muzz returns for the playoffs.

 

[Burnie97]

While 3 out of the 4 are rentals, I believe we should be able to get any of the 4 minus Chychrun without having the include one of Sandin or Liljegren.

Chychrun = 1st Round Pick + Sandin + prospect
Lindholm= 1st Round Pick + Niemela + Holl
Giordano = 1st Round Pick + Holl
Chiarot= 2nd Round Pick + Dermott/Holl

I wouldn't do the 1st trade. 2nd trade is probably about right but I wouldn't want to give up Niemela. 3rd trade I could stomach but I think it's too much. A 2nd with a lesser prospect and Holl may do it. 4th one isn't bad but I couldn't care less about Chiarot.

 

[mydnyte]

While 3 out of the 4 are rentals, I believe we should be able to get any of the 4 minus Chychrun without having the include one of Sandin or Liljegren.

Chychrun = 1st Round Pick + Sandin + prospect
Lindholm= 1st Round Pick + Niemela + Holl
Giordano = 1st Round Pick + Holl
Chiarot= 2nd Round Pick + Dermott/Holl

bolded is the only deal that should be considered in a value in value out aspect, with the long term direction Dubas is also looking for.
Lindholm may be the best of the bunch, but, we cant resign him, unless we deal Muzzin, and unload more $$ and thats a lot of assets for a rental
Gio, i wouldnt give a 1st, as he's good, but, i dont see him puttigng us over the top
Chia's value is okay, so, could be a fall back option, and a potential resign if we shed salary (Muzzin, Kerfoot).

 

[X66]

When I saw Forsberg was available, my jaw dropped.

He should be the #1 target by a country mile IMHO.

Adding a game breaker like him to the line-up, especially on that 2nd line is exactly what the team needs.

 

[ryno23]

I know most think D is the priority and it should be addressed but last 2 years in the playoffs Matthews and Marner both dried up and left 1 line to score and when Tavares went down that pretty much dried up scoring save for Nylaner, Kerfoot and Spezza. Adding an impact top 6 guy that slides either Kerfoot down or moves in that trade is not the worse thing in the world if it fits.

Yes keeping the puck out of the net is priority but if that goes south during the playoffs gotta be able to outscore that bad D

 

[ToneDog]

I know most think D is the priority and it should be addressed but last 2 years in the playoffs Matthews and Marner both dried up and left 1 line to score and when Tavares went down that pretty much dried up scoring save for Nylaner, Kerfoot and Spezza. Adding an impact top 6 guy that slides either Kerfoot down or moves in that trade is not the worse thing in the world if it fits.

Yes keeping the puck out of the net is priority but if that goes south during the playoffs gotta be able to outscore that bad D

Can't plug every hole. With Muzz out and having played less than stellar, top 4 dman is my #1 priority. At the end of the day if our highly paid forwards can't get it done, we are done. As for goaltending, other than TB, Calgary, Pitt?? most playoff teams have goaltending issues.

I figure we have enough cap space to add a top 4 dman and one or two depth pieces.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

When I saw Forsberg was available, my jaw dropped.

He should be the #1 target by a country mile IMHO.

Adding a game breaker like him to the line-up, especially on that 2nd line is exactly what the team needs.

That's a no-brainer. Forsberg is one of the best wingers on the planet and far better than the other rumored forwards.

Unfortunately, I highly doubt he's truly available as they're fighting for a playoff spot and probably want to re-sign him.

 

[Antropovsky]

I hope they do, it would be fun seeing Naz back in the division but more importantly it would be an absolute disaster of a move by Montreal.

2016-17	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	82	32	29	61	95	-7
2017-18	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	80	32	23	55	42	2
2018-19	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	73	16	28	44	43	-2
2019-20	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	51	19	17	36	97	7
2020-21	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	56	11	21	32	34	-7
2021-22	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	48	22	42	64	52	21

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

He's 31 and was on a steady decline until his absolutely massive offensive explosion this year, last year Avs fans were ready to fire him into the sun.

The guy is going to cash in on this contract year and some team is going to give him gritty #1C money and are going to get a 3C. Big UFA deals almost always hurt on the back end, this one is going to hurt from the moment it gets signed. Think Tyler Seguin but the deal runs from ages 32 - 39 instead of ending at age 35.

I dint know if I'd call it a decline, because they were not full seasons last couple years. He also had a very good playoffs one year for avalanche. I always thought he had more potential but Babs didn't seem to ever want to give him a chance regularly with the top 6.

 

[Stigma]

bolded is the only deal that should be considered in a value in value out aspect, with the long term direction Dubas is also looking for.
Lindholm may be the best of the bunch, but, we cant resign him, unless we deal Muzzin, and unload more $$ and thats a lot of assets for a rental
Gio, i wouldnt give a 1st, as he's good, but, i dont see him puttigng us over the top
Chia's value is okay, so, could be a fall back option, and a potential resign if we shed salary (Muzzin, Kerfoot).

I agree with what you said. Chychrun is the only one I would be happy about giving up major pieces for.

I'm okay with the Gio and Chiarot options too.

I'm not down with the Miller and Forsberg asking prices. I'd prefer a Konecny (although he may cost a bit too), Debrusk, or Domi on the wing for better cost/benefit.

 

[ACC1224]

Dallas once traded Iginla for Niewendyk

If we want a quality player with terms like Miller or a RHD we are going to have to part with one of our top prospect

We believe in this team or we dont. If we do, then lets go for it

Different world then, you could just buy yourself a team. With the cap you have to have some home grown guys come up.
Doesn't mean you can't part with some but you need to do so with caution.