GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VII

[SeaOfBlue]

For sure. So are we allowing more HD scoring chances now than we were? I do seem to recall earlier in the season we were regularly outshooting teams. Now, not so much.

We are actually #4 in HDCA/60 in 2022. Much better than we were when Campbell was on his game. We give up very little. Even against STL, we only gave up 7 HDCA at ES vs. 11 HDCF. A lot of our games have gone that way.

HDSV%: 31st... And Mrazek's still awful but not Campbell-awful numbers are the only reason why it is not last place. Campbell barely is scraping over 70% at ES when it comes to high danger chances. That is by far the worst in the league out of anyone who has played more than 5 games so far this calendar year.

Even the disaster that is Carter Hart has 37 more points in HDSV% at ES in 2022, and he is the 2nd worst out of regular goalies.

Honestly, if Campbell was even a mediocre goalie right now, we'd probably be fighting with Colorado for #1 in the league. Unfortunately, he is playing like an AHLer and we have to settle for moderate success and ~#5 instead.

 

[Amadeus]

I think Lil is great, but if we're saying he's better than Holl as a no.6, we're venturing into overrated territory. He will be better than Holl eventually, but that day isn't this season.

Holl as permanent no.6 and we get a no.4 is an amazing D corps. That's my wish. Holl would be one of the best no.6 in the entire league. I wouldn't trade him. Worth his cap hit.

If it's Holl no.4 and Lil no.6, Muzzin needs to wake up asap or we are in deep trouble. I'm actually terrified about our second pairing right now.

When I say no.6 I'm numbering it as they dress 1=LHD1/2=RHD1 etc.

Liljegren is a player I'm willing to be patient with but he's still a few years away. He's got potential to become a solid player for us but he's got to get a lot stronger.

 

[TML1967]

Now package Kerfoot and Holl for a legit #4 RHD.

 

[Gabriel426]

I just think Dubas is getting ex Yokes players in order for them to tell how horrible it is to play for the Yokes, lol.

 

[dubplatepressure]

We are actually #4 in HDCA/60 in 2022. Much better than we were when Campbell was on his game. We give up very little. Even against STL, we only gave up 7 HDCA at ES vs. 11 HDCF. A lot of our games have gone that way.

HDSV%: 31st... And Mrazek's still awful but not Campbell-awful numbers are the only reason why it is not last place. Campbell barely is scraping over 70% at ES when it comes to high danger chances. That is by far the worst in the league out of anyone who has played more than 5 games so far this calendar year.

Even the disaster that is Carter Hart has 37 more points in HDSV% at ES in 2022, and he is the 2nd worst out of regular goalies.

Honestly, if Campbell was even a mediocre goalie right now, we'd probably be fighting with Colorado for #1 in the league. Unfortunately, he is playing like an AHLer and we have to settle for moderate success and ~#5 instead.

Yikes…. Thanks for pulling and sharing those… Good god I didn’t realize it was that bad….

 

[Sypher04]

#1 focus imo should be getting rid of Mrazek to open cap space and finding a goaltender we can rely on. And soon. We simply cannot roll the dice on this pair that has not been working for like 60% of the season. We have no idea what version of Campbell is going to show up on any given night

if you can get a top 4 defenseman as well, that’s great. But it’s not our biggest need.

up front I think we have enough talent and depth to win. More would be gravy, and just should be a priority if the other two are not addressed

 

[str8kila]

What about bringing in klingburg now?. A 1st and holl and maybe a b prospect? Than Flip dermott for a pick. Flip a pick for schen or pysk for more depth.

Reilly -Brodie
Muzzin- Klingburg
Sandin -lybushkin
Schen/pysk - Lilly

 

[TheShape]

The problem is Sandin, Liljegren, Holl are all #6 d-men at this point. Ask any of the three to play higher up and the deficiencies show. Due to age or injury or both, Muzzin has lost a step and isn't good enough to carry Holl anymore so we need a legit top 4 D to do the heavy lifting for Muzzin.

 

[dubplatepressure]

The problem is Sandin, Liljegren, Holl are all #6 d-men at this point. Ask any of the three to play higher up and the deficiencies show. Due to age or injury or both, Muzzin has lost a step and isn't good enough to carry Holl anymore so we need a legit top 4 D to do the heavy lifting for Muzzin.

I’m sorry but Sandin has played well enough to deserve better than a #6 evaluation. Holl, Dermott, and Lilly however may all be more around that placement.

 

[SprDaVE]

What about bringing in klingburg now?. A 1st and holl and maybe a b prospect? Than Flip dermott for a pick. Flip a pick for schen or pysk for more depth.

Reilly -Brodie
Muzzin- Klingburg
Sandin -lybushkin
Schen/pysk - Lilly

I like Klingberg but he has struggled for a while. Demoted to the third pairing a little while back and hasn't had any positive impacts for them. Maybe a change of scenery would help though. He's talented and would add skating + size to the back end with some solid offence.

I feel like it's a lot to give up Holl AND a 1st AND a prospect for a rental (even at 50%) that has struggled for a few seasons now.

 

[Sypher04]

I’m sorry but Sandin has played well enough to deserve better than a #6 evaluation. Holl, Dermott, and Lilly however may all be more around that placement.

they’ve all played at a bottom pairing level imo. I don’t think the top 4 solution exists inside the organization at this moment.

 

[TheShape]

I’m sorry but Sandin has played well enough to deserve better than a #6 evaluation. Holl, Dermott, and Lilly however may all be more around that placement.

Whatever Sandin's a number 5 then, point is they're all bottom pair level at the moment.

 

[Mickey Marner]

I don't think we'll solve the top-4 RD issue this deadline, but with Ritchie gone we'll have a bit more flexibility this off-season. Optimally one of Dermott/Holl is sent packing next.

 

[showtime8]

I’m sorry but Sandin has played well enough to deserve better than a #6 evaluation. Holl, Dermott, and Lilly however may all be more around that placement.

The way that the team has tried to operate is to have the top pairing with Rielly-Brodie, but then have a shutdown pairing with Muzzin on it.

Whether Sandin is a #5-6 is almost irrelevant right now. I don't think that Sandin can play a shutdown style because he's not physical enough and I don't think he can play below the goalline enough to handle the bigger Blues type teams. He's like Zoolander, he only has 1 move... the reverse hit. That's it.

I think having him on the 3rd pairing with IL or Holl is a good move. Keep him there and allow him to dominate 3rd/4th lines. The Leafs need to find that #4 dman before the playoffs start because I don't think he's on the roster right now.

My guess is that based on Cap, they move Liljegren to the minors for a majority / remainder of the rest of the season.

 

[Judas Tavares]

I think the writing is on the wall for Dermott and I feel like he gets shipped for a pick(s) in return. Would clear salary and help replenish some lost picks that could be used as assets at the deadline or simply at the draft.

A team like the Devils has cap space and 3 4ths in 2022. Wonder if that could be a fit, or something similar, a rebuilding team with cap and multiple mid-round picks could surely roll that dice.

 

[Apex Predator]

Everything I’ve read on Lyub is that he needs a strong puck moving partner. I don’t think Muzzin and Lyub work as a 5 on 5 evens strength pair. If Muzzin can get his game back to where it was a few years ago then it’s a different story. As of now I don’t think Muzzin Lyub will work.

 

[TMLAM34]

Everything I’ve read on Lyub is that he needs a strong puck moving partner. I don’t think Muzzin and Lyub work as a 5 on 5 evens strength pair. If Muzzin can get his game back to where it was a few years ago then it’s a different story. As of now I don’t think Muzzin Lyub will work.

Sandin - Lyubushkin is probably what we’ll see on our third pair.

 

[Apex Predator]

Sandin - Lyubushkin is probably what we’ll see on our third pair.

that’s how I see to. Muzzin Holl on second pair and maybe they acquire another dman to play with Muzzin.

 

[Stephen]

Ok, but Lyubushkin is worse than Holl so I don't really see why that would be something the Leafs entertain.

Dermott can play both sides, but we don't really use him on special teams and we have better LD depth on the Marlies than RD depth. I think we just move him for a pick, and maybe add a depth LD like a Jaycob Megna at the TDL. Big guy and a lesser version of a Lyubushkin. He would require waivers if we wanted to send him down, but we may not need to because he is going to be rehabbing a foot injury for most of the remaining year. He could be a solid Hutton-like #8 defenseman for us and won't cost us much.


LD Jaycob Megna


RD Brennan Menell

Sharks don't really have any RD in the upper system, and Menell has some upside for them.

I wouldn't mind taking a look at Jasper Weatherby as a big cheap forward with a bit of snarl.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Glad they landed a depth defender that fills a need.

I doubt it’ll happen but I would be happy if the only other move was to shore up the goaltending… going to keep beating the MAF drum

 

[SprDaVE]

I wonder if the Leafs could do a Dermott for Frost trade with the Flyers.

Flyers are about to go through a transition and retool. Dermott might fit in really well with Provorov, Ellis and Sanheim moving forward. Frost is on his last year of waiver exemption and I think there were rumours of them being open to trading him for the right deal. I might be way off though.

 

[Morgs]

I wonder if the Leafs could do a Dermott for Frost trade with the Flyers.

Flyers are about to go through a transition and retool. Dermott might fit in really well with Provorov, Ellis and Sanheim moving forward. Frost is on his last year of waiver exemption and I think there were rumours of them being open to trading him for the right deal. I might be way off though.

This is the exact kind of deal I'd be looking for with Dermott. Kravtsov is at the top of my list, but I've always liked Frost & think there's more there.

 

[Clark4Ever]

We are actually #4 in HDCA/60 in 2022. Much better than we were when Campbell was on his game. We give up very little. Even against STL, we only gave up 7 HDCA at ES vs. 11 HDCF. A lot of our games have gone that way.

HDSV%: 31st... And Mrazek's still awful but not Campbell-awful numbers are the only reason why it is not last place. Campbell barely is scraping over 70% at ES when it comes to high danger chances. That is by far the worst in the league out of anyone who has played more than 5 games so far this calendar year.

Even the disaster that is Carter Hart has 37 more points in HDSV% at ES in 2022, and he is the 2nd worst out of regular goalies.

Honestly, if Campbell was even a mediocre goalie right now, we'd probably be fighting with Colorado for #1 in the league. Unfortunately, he is playing like an AHLer and we have to settle for moderate success and ~#5 instead.

Agreed. It's unfortunate, because while no one expected Campbell to sustain his level of play last season and earlier this season, I don't think anyone foresaw his numbers plummeting to their recent levels.

I am still cautiously optimistic that he will turn things around, but we could very well end up in a more difficult situation in the first round of the playoffs as a result.

 

[francis246]

What about bringing in klingburg now?. A 1st and holl and maybe a b prospect? Than Flip dermott for a pick. Flip a pick for schen or pysk for more depth.

Reilly -Brodie
Muzzin- Klingburg
Sandin -lybushkin
Schen/pysk - Lilly

klingberg has to be the target IMO

 

[Voodoo Child]

Offensively Sandin is a 2-3 with more upside, defensively he’s about a 5.

Liljegren is a 5 and 4 respectively, both have shown flashes but we’re about 12-18 months from them becoming essential contributors.

If Sandin tops out at high end 2/low end 1 on offense with 4-level D he’s a puck moving 3D. If Liljegren plays second pair D and residual offense he’s a dependable 4, which isn’t bad at all. They’ll be the second pairing full time maybe next year.

This is all on the job learning for them, they will make mistakes and that’s okay.

The second best part about the trade, aside from telling Ritchie to take a walk, is that the Leafs are no longer forced to give up meaningful assets for Chariot or Klingberg. Don’t get me wrong I’d love either, but I wouldn’t love tossing away yet another first, only to see some guy nope it like Foligno then bolt.

Now, they can go get a guy like Colin Miller or Alex Edler, both UFA and both guys who have played tough minutes, neither is going to cost very much.

Still, another forward, is needed, ideally a LW with size and skill.