GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VII

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I imagine they'll get a pick back and move Dermott

More moves coming to make space since they brought in two bodies for one.

Liljegren going to the AHL most likely to make the cap work for now.

I am starting to get my head around it, as much as I hate moving picks, Lybushkin was probably a 3rd on his own, the fact we moved Ritchie in the deal isn't too shabby.
 
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Dzingel addition really throwing me off and I guess one of Liljegren or Sandin is off to the AHL for a bit to make the cap work.

I hate giving up picks man.

So do I normally but we're looking at players that, even if they become NHLers, are still like 5+ years away at least

I'd be more upset about picks in this year's draft
 
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I imagine they'll get a pick back and move Dermott

More moves coming to make space since they brought in two bodies for one.

I see Dubas going for a prospect more so than a pick. Dermott to the Flyers just makes a lot of sense to me. Frost would be a heck of a target.

Moving Dermott makes me nervous with Muzzins health and the Leafs bad luck.

I think I'd rather move Engvall for that reason... but we'll see. Dzingel more or less replaces Engvalls effectiveness.
 
Liljegren going to the AHL most likely to make the cap work for now.

I am starting to get my head around it, as much as I hate moving picks, Lybushkin was probably a 3rd on his own, the fact we moved Ritchie in the deal isn't too shabby.

Good point. Gave a higher pick to take on a bad contract and still get a player. But in doing so punting the pick down the line a bit.

The Leafs should still be an upper echelon team next year so that 3rd rounder could be closer to 90th OA.
 
Good point. Gave a higher pick to take on a bad contract and still get a player. But in doing so punting the pick down the line a bit.

The Leafs should still be an upper echelon team next year so that 3rd rounder could be closer to 90th OA.

I prefer to lose the 3rd in 23 than a 2nd in 2025...as silly as it may seem to care about.

If I were a betting man...which I have been at times, I think he liquidates Dermott for a pick at some point to recoup the lost asset and that's that.
 
I prefer to lose the 3rd in 23 than a 2nd in 2025...as silly as it may seem to care about.

If I were a betting man...which I have been at times, I think he liquidates Dermott for a pick at some point to recoup the lost asset and that's that.

So right now we have

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Sandin - Lilly
Dermott - Lybby

The 7 D rotation is really not getting better with age... so yeah I'd expect another deal in addition to Lilly being sent down. Which is kind of going to suck - what he needs is a solid 3LD partner to play half a season with and get acclimated to the NHL.
 
So right now we have

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Sandin - Lilly
Dermott - Lybby

The 7 D rotation is really not getting better with age... so yeah I'd expect another deal in addition to Lilly being sent down. Which is kind of going to suck - what he needs is a solid 3LD partner to play half a season with and get acclimated to the NHL.

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Lybushkin
Sandin-Holl
Dermott

That's kind of what I expect to see next game or once Lybushkin is able get visa issues etc sorted.

Muzzin-Holl is simply broken, although Muzzin has been some kind of awful this year and hasn't gotten it together.

Left Liljegren alone down low a lot vs St.Louis.
 
I'd also add the Holl might get a better return on the trade market being a RHD and having some success in the past in the top 4 that can bolster his appeal.

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Liljegren
Sandin-Lybushkin
Dermott

I could live with that.

I mean the way they're all playing it could be more like

Rielly-Brodie
Sandin-Lybushkin
Muzzin-Liljegren
Dermott-Holl
 
Now call the team who was runner up for Libby and offer him for their 2022 2nd

Stanley cup contenders #6 D doesn't come cheap :sarcasm:
 
This could be the end of Holl instead of Dermott as well.

In terms of depth, Dermott can play both left and right side. Still has some youth and control. While Holl is what he is and only has 1 more year left on his deal.
Honestly whoever of the two garners the better return, both should be 6/7 at best with the other available D men on the roster.
 
Holl going instead of Dermott, in theory gets better cap space for us depending on what the return is.

Best way to really describe Lybushkin and the closest name that comes to mind is Emelin on Montreal a few years back. Physical, will block shots, not gifted with the puck and can't really fight but not shy of being involved, I feel like we would have especially benefitted from this trade if we had old Muzzin.
 
Holl going instead of Dermott, in theory gets better cap space for us depending on what the return is.

Best way to really describe Lybushkin and the closest name that comes to mind is Emelin on Montreal a few years back. Physical, will block shots, not gifted with the puck and can't really fight but not shy of being involved, I feel like we would have especially benefitted from this trade if we had old Muzzin.

Reminds me of Yuskevich. Going to love him.
 
I'd also add the Holl might get a better return on the trade market being a RHD and having some success in the past in the top 4 that can bolster his appeal.

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Liljegren
Sandin-Lybushkin
Dermott

I could live with that.

Ok, but Lyubushkin is worse than Holl so I don't really see why that would be something the Leafs entertain.

Dermott can play both sides, but we don't really use him on special teams and we have better LD depth on the Marlies than RD depth. I think we just move him for a pick, and maybe add a depth LD like a Jaycob Megna at the TDL. Big guy and a lesser version of a Lyubushkin. He would require waivers if we wanted to send him down, but we may not need to because he is going to be rehabbing a foot injury for most of the remaining year. He could be a solid Hutton-like #8 defenseman for us and won't cost us much.

:leafs
LD Jaycob Megna

:sharks
RD Brennan Menell

Sharks don't really have any RD in the upper system, and Menell has some upside for them.
 
I think Lil is great, but if we're saying he's better than Holl as a no.6, we're venturing into overrated territory. He will be better than Holl eventually, but that day isn't this season.

Holl as permanent no.6 and we get a no.4 is an amazing D corps. That's my wish. Holl would be one of the best no.6 in the entire league. I wouldn't trade him. Worth his cap hit.

If it's Holl no.4 and Lil no.6, Muzzin needs to wake up asap or we are in deep trouble. I'm actually terrified about our second pairing right now.

When I say no.6 I'm numbering it as they dress 1=LHD1/2=RHD1 etc.
 
For sure. So are we allowing more HD scoring chances now than we were? I do seem to recall earlier in the season we were regularly outshooting teams. Now, not so much.

Never claimed there are no issues. Just that goaltending is a significant one
 
I think Lil is great, but if we're saying he's better than Holl as a no.6, we're venturing into overrated territory. He will be better than Holl eventually, but that day isn't this season.

Holl as permanent no.6 and we get a no.4 is an amazing D corps. That's my wish. Holl would be one of the best no.6 in the entire league. I wouldn't trade him. Worth his cap hit.

If it's Holl no.4 and Lil no.6, Muzzin needs to wake up asap or we are in deep trouble. I'm actually terrified about our second pairing right now.

When I say no.6 I'm numbering it as they dress 1=LHD1/2=RHD1 etc.

They are going to trust Muzzin to get out of his funk. I think the group you see now if the group we are going with, and you have to keep in mind that even with Muzzin making some questionable IQ decisions, we are still an excellent defensive team and he is actually still doing quite well defensively on the whole, especially since that Covid stoppage. His offensive game is much worse unfortunately.

I think Tavares and Nylander will get out of their funks too. Before that Covid stoppage, they were excellent. After, they are still generating chances fairly well, but they are not going in as much. Ironically, the opposite of Muzzin, who has played significantly better (at both ends) since getting some rest. I guess that should not come as a major surprise, but it does cause some concern if he can't handle the playoff workload.

Our #1 concern is easily goaltending right now though. Our defense has mostly top 5 metrics in 2022, and had top 10 metrics for most of the 2021 part of the season too. Our goaltending has been bottom 5 in 2022, it is the same thing that has killed us over and over again in years past. HDSV% is 31st and only slightly better than Philly, who is last. It is at 71.93% vs. 71.65%. 30th is 75.23%. You want things to look better, that has to be better. SV% overall is 5th worst. We can't win with sub .890 goaltending at ES when all of our competition is getting .915's or better. Florida has a .928. Tampa has a .914. We have an .890. With Muzzin or Liljegren on the ice, we are getting under .850. Some of that may be on them, but Campbell especially needs to be a lot better. Mrazek hasn't been stellar himself, especially with high danger stuff, but at least he has a .915 save percentage at ES. He saves most of the stuff he needs to save, and really, that is really all we need to win right now. Our team is that good.
 
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