GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VI

[Kurtz]

I was talking about Chychrun though

Oh...I don't think even Arizona fans watch those games

 

[Griffin76]

Oh...I don't think even Arizona fans watch those games

Yeah well I do.

 

[mydnyte]

I wasn't overly impressed by Severson's game in general TBH. -1 on the night, Bad penalty in the 2nd period, and probably the worst play of a 2 on 1 I have ever seen in my entire life.

I know he is better than what he showed last night, but that was a very poor performance from Severson. Thought he was noticeably bad.

But then again, there are times Muzzin is noticeably bad and then we are reminded very quickly in his absence how terrible we are in front of our own net without him in the lineup.

Not sure what the price would be for Severson, but I honestly don't think he is a player that would be worth the price tag. I genuinely think we can get a much cheaper option, retain our first round pick and/or top prospect and improve our net front D through another player. Our net front D has been what is lacking. That player's name is Luke Schenn.

It's not always about landing the big fish year over year. I'd much rather let Dubas and his scouting staff select in the 1st round for a change and try and land that big fish a couple years from now through the 2022 draft.

Luke Schenn would immensely help our net front D, and could likely be had for Dermott straight up. Cap savings for 2 seasons, and we get a more reliable version of Dermott who can actually clear the house and keeps things simple.

Not as sexy, but every bit as effective IMO.

Schenn couldnt skate at the NHL level when we drafted him, he may have learned how to be a #6 D-man, but, thats all he'll ever be, and to slow the growth of our future D on him would be a mistake. ...i still remember seeing the Pietro jersey under their draft table, i guess they were hoping he'd drop

 

[Ashdown2]

with the new yesterday, call me crazy but i think an unrated move would be to get petry at 50% retained. 3 years at 3mil would be pretty insane for a 23min , 40+ point 150+ hits per season guy (who is still very good defensivly. I dont think the pricetag will be as high as a klingberg for example and he has got term on a very moveable contract if he wants to go back to the states. if we are going down the road of non rental players id take petry over severson every time

before people say hes washed up, hes a + player in regular situations (non empty net and PP situations) on the worst team in the league. Just last year he finished top 12 in norris voting.
Plus i can see a good fit especially when it comes to late game situations when you need some offense. Reilly and petry together can provide offense..... having brodie, holl liligren manson serverson or whoever on that right side wont be able to provide that.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Petry with retention is an interesting option … age is a risk though, and the cost would be something to watch

 

[SprDaVE]

But why would we want a dman who sucks defensively and comes with a $4.2 mil cap hit to boot?

Because that means we could dump Ritchie and/or Holl/Dermott in the process, and gain someone with good defensive metrics? He's been playing 25+ minutes and against top opponents. He's done well. Now imagine that on the 2nd pairing.

HFBoards posters also say Rielly sucks defensively.

 

[Twine Tickler]

Schenn couldnt skate at the NHL level when we drafted him, he may have learned how to be a #6 D-man, but, thats all he'll ever be, and to slow the growth of our future D on him would be a mistake. ...i still remember seeing the Pietro jersey under their draft table, I guess they were hoping he'd drop

Schenn has actually aged quite well after his career was seemingly on life support 4-5 years ago.

He is a Stanley Cup winner, plays hard and heavy minutes, makes next to nothing, can occasionally be used higher in the lineup for a game or 2. He's always been a safer player that lacked mobility, but he's really dialed it in the last couple seasons IMO.

Being that I am from Vancouver I've actually got to see a decent amount of his games this year in person and on TV. He is better than Tyler Meyers, which I know is not saying much, but he absolutely belongs in the NHL.

It's not just me, all my friends are Canucks fans, and they love what he brings to the table. He makes 850K this year and next, and could be had for next to nothing. Right shot D with size, snarl, and an awareness to play within his skillset.

It kind of reminds me when we got Bogo. I know I had this preconceived idea that he was the offensive defensemen that clearly regressed after leaving WPG, but when we got him I was shocked at how good he still was, especially in his own end. We need a Bogo 2.0 IMO. Schenn fits the bill

 

[stickty111]

Because that means we could dump Ritchie and/or Holl/Dermott in the process, and gain someone with good defensive metrics? He's been playing 25+ minutes and against top opponents. He's done well. Now imagine that on the 2nd pairing.

HFBoards posters also say Rielly sucks defensively.

To be fair, Rielly was bad defensively. This year he has improved.

 

[Fogelhund]

with the new yesterday, call me crazy but i think an unrated move would be to get petry at 50% retained. 3 years at 3mil would be pretty insane for a 23min , 40+ point 150+ hits per season guy (who is still very good defensivly. I dont think the pricetag will be as high as a klingberg for example and he has got term on a very moveable contract if he wants to go back to the states. if we are going down the road of non rental players id take petry over severson every time

before people say hes washed up, hes a + player in regular situations (non empty net and PP situations) on the worst team in the league. Just last year he finished top 12 in norris voting.
Plus i can see a good fit especially when it comes to late game situations when you need some offense. Reilly and petry together can provide offense..... having brodie, holl liligren manson serverson or whoever on that right side wont be able to provide that.

It looks like he wants to go to the States. His wife and kids are in Michigan, and the border rules are probably playing havoc on family life.

 

[stickty111]

Schenn has actually aged quite well after his career was seemingly on life support 4-5 years ago.

He is a Stanley Cup winner, plays hard and heavy minutes, makes next to nothing, can occasionally be used higher in the lineup for a game or 2. He's always been a safer player that lacked mobility, but he's really dialed it in the last couple seasons IMO.

Being that I am from Vancouver I've actually got to see a decent amount of his games this year in person and on TV. He is better than Tyler Meyers, which I know is not saying much, but he absolutely belongs in the NHL.

It's not just me, all my friends are Canucks fans, and they love what he brings to the table. He makes 850K this year and next, and could be had for next to nothing. Right shot D with size, snarl, and an awareness to play within his skillset.

It kind of reminds me when we got Bogo. I know I had this preconceived idea that he was the offensive defensemen that clearly regressed after leaving WPG, but when we got him I was shocked at how good he still was, especially in his own end. We need a Bogo 2.0 IMO. Schenn fits the bill

Perfect depth. He's probably better as #7 option but thata fine. If he's your depth addition, thats fine by me.

 

[Fogelhund]

Schenn has actually aged quite well after his career was seemingly on life support 4-5 years ago.

He is a Stanley Cup winner, plays hard and heavy minutes, makes next to nothing, can occasionally be used higher in the lineup for a game or 2. He's always been a safer player that lacked mobility, but he's really dialed it in the last couple seasons IMO.

Being that I am from Vancouver I've actually got to see a decent amount of his games this year in person and on TV. He is better than Tyler Meyers, which I know is not saying much, but he absolutely belongs in the NHL.

It's not just me, all my friends are Canucks fans, and they love what he brings to the table. He makes 850K this year and next, and could be had for next to nothing. Right shot D with size, snarl, and an awareness to play within his skillset.

It kind of reminds me when we got Bogo. I know I had this preconceived idea that he was the offensive defensemen that clearly regressed after leaving WPG, but when we got him I was shocked at how good he still was, especially in his own end. We need a Bogo 2.0 IMO. Schenn fits the bill

But can we depend on Liljegren/Muzzin pairing at the second pairing shut down pair?

I feel like we need someone who can stand on their own, if Muzzin goes down again in the playoffs. Nothing against Schenn... I just don't like the lineup, if Muzzin's out, and Schenn's our acquisition. I think we need to upgrade the second pair.

As a #7, I'm ok with that... Dermott and Holl out... Schenn + 2nd pairing RD in.

 

[stickty111]

But can we depend on Liljegren/Muzzin pairing at the second pairing shut down pair?

I feel like we need someone who can stand on their own, if Muzzin goes down again in the playoffs. Nothing against Schenn... I just don't like the lineup, if Muzzin's out, and Schenn's our acquisition. I think we need to upgrade the second pair.

I think more in the sense of Schenn being depth. He obviously shouldn't be our main addition.

 

[Fogelhund]

I think more in the sense of Schenn being depth. He obviously shouldn't be our main addition.

Yes, I had edited my post to reflect that, and agreeing with you.

 

[Leaffan1991]

with the new yesterday, call me crazy but i think an unrated move would be to get petry at 50% retained. 3 years at 3mil would be pretty insane for a 23min , 40+ point 150+ hits per season guy (who is still very good defensivly. I dont think the pricetag will be as high as a klingberg for example and he has got term on a very moveable contract if he wants to go back to the states. if we are going down the road of non rental players id take petry over severson every time

before people say hes washed up, hes a + player in regular situations (non empty net and PP situations) on the worst team in the league. Just last year he finished top 12 in norris voting.
Plus i can see a good fit especially when it comes to late game situations when you need some offense. Reilly and petry together can provide offense..... having brodie, holl liligren manson serverson or whoever on that right side wont be able to provide that.

Petry would be fantastic, doubt Montreal trades him here unless overpay

 

[Stephen]

Slater Koekkoek is on waivers. I think worth a claim for a free warm body.

 

[Zero1]

What about Adam Larsson? I’ll admit I haven’t watched the Kraken at all this season.

Larsson with 50% retention for Ritchie + 1st?

 

[Twine Tickler]

But can we depend on Liljegren/Muzzin pairing at the second pairing shut down pair?

I feel like we need someone who can stand on their own, if Muzzin goes down again in the playoffs. Nothing against Schenn... I just don't like the lineup, if Muzzin's out, and Schenn's our acquisition. I think we need to upgrade the second pair.

As a #7, I'm ok with that... Dermott and Holl out... Schenn + 2nd pairing RD in.

I mean Luke Schenn has played a lot of time with Quinn Hughes this year. They've put him in that Chris Tanev babysitting role and he has done very well IMO.

Luke has played about half of his 5v5 minutes with Quinn on the other side. They both seem to benefit with one another on the other side. Kind of leads me to believe he would be an ideal pair for Sandin.

Reilly - Brodie
Muzzin - Liljegren
Sandin - Schenn

ship away Dermott for Schenn, Holl for picks. and you have 2.65AAV in savings to get a 7D + another good player at 50% retention. Or that good player at 50% retention could be a D to insert in that 2nd pairing if you are fearful of a Muzz injury and then run Schenn as your 7D.

His contract is unbeatable, he's signed for another year and he fills a need that we don't have in our lineup. Someone who can f***ing play in front of the net.

Seems like a no brainer to me.

 

[Kurtz]

Because that means we could dump Ritchie and/or Holl/Dermott in the process, and gain someone with good defensive metrics? He's been playing 25+ minutes and against top opponents. He's done well. Now imagine that on the 2nd pairing.

HFBoards posters also say Rielly sucks defensively.

But we can dump those guys in a deal for a more physical/better defensive dman. Severson seems more of a need for a team like NYI who are desperate for a dman who can move the puck a little. That's not our primary need.

I'm inclined to trust the opinions of Hf posters for whom the player plays. Avs fans told us that Barrie sucked defensively for example - sure enough he turned out to be awful. Calgary fans told us that Brodie was a hidden gem - sure enough, that turned out to be true too.

 

[ACC1224]

But we can dump those guys in a deal for a more physical/better defensive dman. Severson seems more of a need for a team like NYI who are desperate for a dman who can move the puck a little. That's not our primary need.

I'm inclined to trust the opinions of Hf posters for whom the player plays. Avs fans told us that Barrie sucked defensively for example - sure enough he turned out to be awful. Calgary fans told us that Brodie was a hidden gem - sure enough, that turned out to be true too.

Can't we just trust our GM to know this when obtaining a player?

 

[Stephen]

What about Adam Larsson? I’ll admit I haven’t watched the Kraken at all this season.

Larsson with 50% retention for Ritchie + 1st?

I’d take Larsson in a heart beat but he makes decent money in the $4 million plus range. So not sure how to make that work unless you kick Muzzin to the curb.

 

[Stephen]

But we can dump those guys in a deal for a more physical/better defensive dman. Severson seems more of a need for a team like NYI who are desperate for a dman who can move the puck a little. That's not our primary need.

I'm inclined to trust the opinions of Hf posters for whom the player plays. Avs fans told us that Barrie sucked defensively for example - sure enough he turned out to be awful. Calgary fans told us that Brodie was a hidden gem - sure enough, that turned out to be true too.

Severson seems like a skilled defenseman suitable for the Lupul, Phaneuf Kessel era team when they just needed more talent in any shape or form. When trying to shape a contender with specific habits, experience and attributes he doesn’t seem like he would check a lot of your boxes off. Although you never know if he’s one of those guys who could find a defensive conscience on a better team. For example Jeff Petry was a talented defenseman but kind of a tire fire in Edmonton but turned into a two way beast in Montreal.

 

[Kurtz]

Can't we just trust our GM to know this when obtaining a player?

Sometimes. Definitely not always.

In the case of Barrie, we'd have been better off trusting the Avs fans who told us he'd suck, for example. Same with Boston fans and Ritchie. In most cases that I can think of, the opponent fans intel on the incoming player has been pretty good.

 

[Zero1]

I’d take Larsson in a heart beat but he makes decent money in the $4 million plus range. So not sure how to make that work unless you kick Muzzin to the curb.

Yeah he makes exactly $4 mill for 3 more years. If the Kraken retain and take back Ritchie/Holl we can make it work.

Maybe 50% is too unrealistic but retaining $1 mill over 3 years for a 1st + B-level prospect/Dermott might make sense for them as a rebuilding team.

Rielly-Larsson
Muzzin-Brodie (shutdown pair)
Sandin-Holl/Liljegren

 

[BayStBullies]

To be fair, Rielly was bad defensively. This year he has improved.

Has he improved? I can always tell it's him, by how he backs up off the line and allows the easiest entry to the opposition. He then moves to the net, giving up the entire wall and pass lanes. He does it nearly every time. without. fail.

 

[SprDaVE]

But we can dump those guys in a deal for a more physical/better defensive dman. Severson seems more of a need for a team like NYI who are desperate for a dman who can move the puck a little. That's not our primary need.

I'm inclined to trust the opinions of Hf posters for whom the player plays. Avs fans told us that Barrie sucked defensively for example - sure enough he turned out to be awful. Calgary fans told us that Brodie was a hidden gem - sure enough, that turned out to be true too.

I think we misremember on Brodie because I read a lot how bad and soft he was defensively. He was compared to Gardiner endlessly. Stats told a different story. Siegenthaler and Severson has been a very good pairing for them... it's the rest of the core that's really bad, and Hamilton out of the lineup doesn't help. Severson is a pretty good defenseman and I would love to take advantage of that situation if they want to throw him out. He'd fit this team beautifully.

Stats don't lie, but fans are biased.