Toggle sidebar

GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VI

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
Status
Not open for further replies.
SeaOfBlue said:
This is why I want Phil Myers. Phil Myers has struggled but he could easily be a #4 here if he can return to his Philly form, and we can still easily rotate Liljegren in.

The only thing is that we would lose our LD depth (since I would think we send Dermott the other way), so unless we really like Rubins/Kral/Dahlstrom as first LD up in case Muzzin goes down again, we should add a solid LD at the TDL to be the #8 on the depth chart.

EDIT: His defensive metrics are also amazing this year, albeit in an easy bottom pairing role. His offensive game is the main thing that is awful.
Click to expand...
Kral has really step up this year and has been playing really good hockey. I would actually like to see him get some NHL games this year to see what we have got with him.
If we can get Myers for a Dermott+small piece package im pretty happy.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
How is he any better than Holl though? His defensive metrics are very similar to Holl's in similar usage (and that includes a really bad stretch for Holl which he has since rebounded from, so Holl's defensive metrics are likely better than his) and his offensive metrics are significantly worse.

Plus he is a rental, which is not ideal for what the Leafs likely want. I would rather him than most other rentals at their alleged prices (Chiarot, Manson, etc.) because he is worth a 3rd round pick at most, but he likely doesn't make a difference in our chances or improve our defense all that much.
Click to expand...

He's worth around a 3rd round pick and most people seem to think that's about what he's going to go for

That's cost effective, we also keep our high picks and prospects

His defensive metrics are strong and he brings a different element to the backend

That's how he improves us
 
Kiwi said:
He's worth around a 3rd round pick and most people seem to think that's about what he's going to go for

That's cost effective, we also keep our high picks and prospects

His defensive metrics are strong and he brings a different element to the backend

That's how he improves us
Click to expand...

It would not be the first move I would pursue, but if we could get him and maybe a small plus for Dermott, I would do it.

Or we do Dermott + Ritchie for Brassard + Braun. Not great value overall, especially since they are a pair of rentals, but at least it solves our cap for next year and may marginally improve our defense for this year without giving up any picks or prospects. Brassard could allow us to rest Spezza as well.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 4thline
SeaOfBlue said:
It would not be the first move I would pursue, but if we could get him and maybe a small plus for Dermott, I would do it.

Or we do Dermott + Ritchie for Brassard + Braun. Not great value overall, especially since they are a pair of rentals, but at least it solves our cap for next year and may marginally improve our defense for this year without giving up any picks or prospects. Brassard could allow us to rest Spezza as well.
Click to expand...

I could live with that

We get better, it costs us bugger all and cleans cap for next season

You could do worse and I doubt Dermott is carrying much trade value right now
 
Kiwi said:
I've said it multiple times but Braun is the guy we should be after

Plays on a selling team
Pending UFA
Gets Top 4 QOC
RD
Strong defensive metrics
Size and some physicality
Cheaper to aquire

The only thing he won't do is score but that's the least of our current issues

It isn't a sexy pick but it's a bloody good fit if we're looking for a partner to play with Muzzin
Click to expand...

I'd be into it. If with preface everything being cost-dependent, I'd also throw Giordano into the mix. Would make a great partner for Lilly on that bottom pairing with Sandin playing with Muzzin. But really Braun would too.

More than ever, I think now's the time for us to pull a deal on a top-4 D.
 
DraftSchmaft said:
After tonights game I am officially zoning out when people dismiss Chychrun. All last week was Severson > Chychrun. That guy stinks this whole thread is just hot takes driven by emotion and not research.
Click to expand...
Were people saying that? Man.
Sometimes the hipster pick is the correct pick (e.g., Bunting), but sometimes the obvious pick is the correct one. Chychrun, to me, is as obvious as they get. I would be all in on a big trade for him.
 
Stigma said:
Were people saying that? Man.
Sometimes the hipster pick is the correct pick (e.g., Bunting), but sometimes the obvious pick is the correct one. Chychrun, to me, is as obvious as they get. I would be all in on a big trade for him.
Click to expand...

I've completely pivoted to this now. It's so evident to me when watching this group that adding a top-4 D with some quality is not only what we need, but would probably go a very long way to pushing us over the line to being a contender. If we added Chychrun we'd be absolutely legit. Until then, I have a hard time seeing how we will sustain scoring 3-5 goals in third periods to win games consistently (joking, sort of).
 
  • Like
Reactions: Stigma
dubplatepressure said:
I've completely pivoted to this now. It's so evident to me when watching this group that adding a top-4 D with some quality is not only what we need, but would probably go a very long way to pushing us over the line to being a contender. If we added Chychrun we'd be absolutely legit. Until then, I have a hard time seeing how we will sustain scoring 3-5 goals in third periods to win games consistently (joking, sort of).
Click to expand...

I get why he's enticing but if you're spending the type of assets you'd need to in order to acquire Chychrun wouldn't it be best to use that ammunition towards a position were weaker in?
All 3 of Morgan, Muzzin and Sandin play the lest side so adding Chych in knocks Sandin out of the line-up which is an odd roster decision and with Morgs extension that leaves us with those 3 blocking Sandin for at least a few years.

Love, love, love Chychrun though. Maybe it makes sense if you can move on from Muzzin in the off-season? When I think of spending 3 absolute premier assets or whatever it would cost to acquire him I think it should be for the right side to pair with Muzzin or Sandin going forward.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Stigma and aingefan
Kiwi said:
I've said it multiple times but Braun is the guy we should be after

Plays on a selling team
Pending UFA
Gets Top 4 QOC
RD
Strong defensive metrics
Size and some physicality
Cheaper to aquire

The only thing he won't do is score but that's the least of our current issues

It isn't a sexy pick but it's a bloody good fit if we're looking for a partner to play with Muzzin
Click to expand...

I also think he would be a pretty good veteran target to go after. Probably one of the few rentals that I think would make sense.

I would also inquire about MacEwen from the Flyers. He's someone the Leafs tried to sign when he was an unsigned prospect free agent. A depth center that brings a lot of energy and physicality that should be very cheap to acquire.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: aingefan
ChazzMichaelMichaels said:
I get why he's enticing but if you're spending the type of assets you'd need to in order to acquire Chychrun wouldn't it be best to use that ammunition towards a position were weaker in?
All 3 of Morgan, Muzzin and Sandin play the lest side so adding Chych in knocks Sandin out of the line-up which is an odd roster decision and with Morgs extension that leaves us with those 3 blocking Sandin for at least a few years.

Love, love, love Chychrun though. Maybe it makes sense if you can move on from Muzzin in the off-season? When I think of spending 3 absolute premier assets or whatever it would cost to acquire him I think it should be for the right side to pair with Muzzin or Sandin going forward.
Click to expand...
I could get behind a deal for Chychrun, but it would need to meet a couple of criteria.
Gotta take Ritchies bad cap.
Scouts gotta be 100% certain he’s the best player in the deal.
I have no problem with stacking the D moving forward.
There’s typically better value shopping up front where there’s just more options.
 
SprDaVE said:
I also think he would be a pretty good veteran target to go after. Probably one of the few rentals that I think would make sense.

I would also inquire about MacEwen from the Flyers. He's someone the Leafs tried to sign when he was an unsigned prospect free agent. A depth center that brings a lot of energy and physicality that should be very cheap to acquire.
Click to expand...

I like it. I've followed him since he was 16 playing JrA in NS. He has speed. He also has skill. 31 goals in Gatineau one year. 22 in Utica. Doesn't necessarily mean it's translates to the NHL but for a 4th liner not much is expected. He hits like a freight train, will fight anybody and like you said he would be cheap.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LeafChief
dubplatepressure said:
I've completely pivoted to this now. It's so evident to me when watching this group that adding a top-4 D with some quality is not only what we need, but would probably go a very long way to pushing us over the line to being a contender. If we added Chychrun we'd be absolutely legit. Until then, I have a hard time seeing how we will sustain scoring 3-5 goals in third periods to win games consistently (joking, sort of).
Click to expand...

Chychrun wouldn't help defensive side of the puck, thats the problem...
 
  • Like
Reactions: Nylanderthal
ChazzMichaelMichaels said:
I get why he's enticing but if you're spending the type of assets you'd need to in order to acquire Chychrun wouldn't it be best to use that ammunition towards a position were weaker in?
All 3 of Morgan, Muzzin and Sandin play the lest side so adding Chych in knocks Sandin out of the line-up which is an odd roster decision and with Morgs extension that leaves us with those 3 blocking Sandin for at least a few years.

Love, love, love Chychrun though. Maybe it makes sense if you can move on from Muzzin in the off-season? When I think of spending 3 absolute premier assets or whatever it would cost to acquire him I think it should be for the right side to pair with Muzzin or Sandin going forward.
Click to expand...
I may be wrong here, but wasn't Chychrun a right-sider up until a few years ago?
 
ChazzMichaelMichaels said:
I get why he's enticing but if you're spending the type of assets you'd need to in order to acquire Chychrun wouldn't it be best to use that ammunition towards a position were weaker in?
All 3 of Morgan, Muzzin and Sandin play the lest side so adding Chych in knocks Sandin out of the line-up which is an odd roster decision and with Morgs extension that leaves us with those 3 blocking Sandin for at least a few years.

Love, love, love Chychrun though. Maybe it makes sense if you can move on from Muzzin in the off-season? When I think of spending 3 absolute premier assets or whatever it would cost to acquire him I think it should be for the right side to pair with Muzzin or Sandin going forward.
Click to expand...

If we're giving up our "big" package then you do BPA. There is no RD available better than Chych. If there is (or equal) then yeah try for him. If sandin is your 4LD that's a nice problem to have because it means your team is deep. If it really is a massive issue then you can always trade Sandin for a young RD.

Asset management should be like the draft. BPA > need If you're touching prime assets and its both a short term and long term trade. I don't want to turn down 23 year old top 4 D because we own Muzzin who has maybe 1 year left of being a 2LD
 
You guys would fall in love with Severson if the Leafs got him at 50%.

Last night obviously wasn't his best performance, but he's a legit top 4 on a bad team.

In his last 16 games he's got 14 points and played over 26 minutes a game(!).
 
DraftSchmaft said:
If we're giving up our "big" package then you do BPA. There is no RD available better than Chych. If there is (or equal) then yeah try for him. If sandin is your 4LD that's a nice problem to have because it means your team is deep. If it really is a massive issue then you can always trade Sandin for a young RD.

Asset management should be like the draft. BPA > need If you're touching prime assets and its both a short term and long term trade. I don't want to turn down 23 year old top 4 D because we own Muzzin who has maybe 1 year left of being a 2LD
Click to expand...

I think this is where you can find yourself with issues. In a cap world, fit and roster construction is very important and being extremely shrewd in how you spend your $ and where is everything especially when you're spending your most valuable ammunition.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom