GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VI

[Judas Tavares]

Teams like Pittsburgh, Tampa and Washington don't always trade their 1st and they've had success at some point to make you feel about expending the assets. We're talking literally 0-5 in 1st round now, if you count CBJ as a playoff round

Washington
Boston x2
Columbus
Montreal

The opponents have arguably gotten easier but we've not managed to win a damn thing despite multiple 1sts and prospects being expended, sometimes not going big at the deadline is okay too.

I did take a look though;

Washington

2021 they made a bad trade for Mantha, using Vrana, 1st, 2nd and Panik to do it. Arguably Panik was a cap dump but not a strong endorsement for going big.

In 2020 they gave up a 2nd and 3rd for Dillon and a 3rd for Kovalchuk. Dillon is kind of forgivable but that Kovalchuk deal wasn't so good lol.

Nothing notable in 2019

In 2018 when they won a cup, they just used a 3rd for Kempny after being burned the year before on the Shattenkirk acquisition which was a 1st and Sandford.

Tampa

They have recently went for it with 1sts going for Savard, Coleman and Goodrow.

2019 though? Just traded a 5th and Koekkoek (kinda trending towards bust/replacement level) for Rutta who also wasn't clicking in Chicago.
2018? McDonagh (had an extra year+extended) and JT Miller (extended+team control) for 1st, Namestnikov, Howden, Hajek, 2nd round pick, costly but didn't lose the trade.
2017 - Actually sold because of injuries, they got a 2nd from us for Boyle.

Pittsburgh

2021 - Carter for a 3rd...good deal.
2020 - 1st, Addison, Galchenyuk for Zucker...thought the deal seemed better at the time, Zucker hasn't fit in as well
3rd for Marleau, Kahun for Rodrigues and Sheary
2019 - Gudbranson came in for Pearson
Bjugstad and McCann came in for Brassard, Sheahan, 2nd and 2 4ths...honestly don't think that was worth it
Sold Oleksiak for a 4th


I'll leave it to you to determine how many playoff series each team won the in the last 5 years, I would be much less resistant if we had a single round win under our belts.

Washington is a team I look at in terms of a team that had a foundation/core but took forever to win. Starting from the first year they were competitive until the year they won the Cup, in the 1st round they drafted:

Carlson
Johansson
Kuznetsov
Forsberg
Wilson
Burakovsky
Vrana
Samsonov
Johansen
Alekseyev

From 2008-2018, only in 2011 and 2017 did they not have a 1st. The players in bold were key in helping the Caps win. The players in italics are still with the organization and haven't been used to make make a big splash. Johansson looks to have been traded as a cap casualty for picks before their Cup. Forsberg was foolishly traded for Erat.

What we see here is a team that got successful with a very young core (Ovechkin, Backstrom, Semin, Green, Alzner, Varlamov) that were successful in the regular season and while they won some playoff series, they still disappointed in the playoffs. Their kryptonite happened to be a bit better than ours, as it was the second round, rather than the first. They never got past the second round til they won their Cup. But they identified parts of their core that weren't working and later was able to replace them with younger players and prospects that they kept rather than trading.

For example
Semin --> Kuznetsov
Green --> Carlson
Varlamov --> Holtby

They added to this core as they went (while failing) with guys like Wilson, Burakovsky and Vrana.

There are teams who push their chips in, but Washington was not one of them. They believed in their core, added and replaced and then eventually got there.

Tampa is sort of another example as well, starting with Stamkos and Hedman and eventually adding guys like Kucherov, Palat, Vas, Point etc... down the line. Tough example though as their drafting and developing are freakishly good. But similar in that they identified the main part of their core and continuously added to it.

If the Leafs bomb out again and need to shake up their core, well then maybe the Amirovs, Knies', Robertsons of the world will be the ones added to the remaining core to help form a more successful core. Not against trading some of these top prospects here and there when the right deal presents itself. But going all in every year is not the way to go.

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
Manson 50%
Rakell

To Anaheim-
Kerfoot
Ritchie
Holl
Robertson
1st Round Pick

To Toronto- Lyubushkin

To Arizona- Dermott

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Nylander-Tavares-Rakell
Mikheyev-Kampf-Kase
Engvall-Spezza-Simmonds

Rielly-Manson
Muzzin-Brodie
Sandin-Lyubushkin
Liljegren

 

[dubplatepressure]

I mean if a big trade for a top4 D was gojng to happen you’d have to think now would be the time to do it. We have assets in 1st + legit prospects, young cheaper D (Dermott, Holl) and cap space (Ritchie, Mrazek) that can be moved back, a legitimate need for upgrade right now, and our core players are firmly in their prime. It’s an easy argument to make IMO.

 

[ToneDog]

Hope Dubas crossed Severson off his list of target RHD.

 

[Fogelhund]

Anyone still want to trade for Severson after that wonderful defensive play on the PP? What was he doing there?

 

[DraftSchmaft]

After tonights game I am officially zoning out when people dismiss Chychrun. All last week was Severson > Chychrun. That guy stinks this whole thread is just hot takes driven by emotion and not research.

 

[Maplebeasts]

To Toronto-
Manson 50%
Rakell

To Anaheim-
Kerfoot
Ritchie
Holl
Robertson
1st Round Pick

To Toronto- Lyubushkin

To Arizona- Dermott

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Nylander-Tavares-Rakell
Mikheyev-Kampf-Kase
Engvall-Spezza-Simmonds

Rielly-Manson
Muzzin-Brodie
Sandin-Lyubushkin
Liljegren

Once again Manson is shit and belongs nowhere near a top pairing.

 

[Maplebeasts]

After tonights game I am officially zoning out when people dismiss Chychrun. All last week was Severson > Chychrun. That guy stinks this whole thread is just hot takes driven by emotion and not research.

Case in point every third proposal being for Josh Manson. I can't believe how many people actually want the guy. He's atrocious.

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

Anyone still want to trade for Severson after that wonderful defensive play on the PP? What was he doing there?

Knock a bit off the price and buy low.

In all honesty it was an absolute dumpster fire of a play, but I still think he could be a good fit with Muzzin.

 

[ToneDog]

After tonights game I am officially zoning out when people dismiss Chychrun. All last week was Severson > Chychrun. That guy stinks this whole thread is just hot takes driven by emotion and not research.

Go big Chych or go home, Chara. Personally this team has to prove that they are worthy of adding at the TDL.

 

[TML1967]

I would like to formally submit Siegenthaler again.
He looked good tonight, and I didnt realize he was getting some top pair spot work.

 

[kb]

Hope Dubas crossed Severson off his list of target RHD.

With red ink.....blood if necessary. LOL

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I would like to formally submit Siegenthaler again.
He looked good tonight, and I didnt realize he was getting some top pair spot work.

He is a LD, and let's be honest, he is not even playing over Sandin in a fully healthy lineup.

 

[LeafChief]

Severson sucks.

 

[Ashdown2]

i hated serverson before this year nyways but tmb he did play close to 30 min today .
without hamilton that devil defense is beyond horrible, its serverson and a bunch of 3rd pairing guys

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[stickty111]

I think what we are seeing is even when Muzzin isn't his usual self, he's still needed on this team. All we need is a #4 d man and we are okay I think. Lilly has taken positive steps but I think it's better he's a #7 come playoff time. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[thusk]

Case in point every third proposal being for Josh Manson. I can't believe how many people actually want the guy. He's atrocious.

Why ?

Because Manson is a guy who won most of his 1v1 battle, he a dman who will punish you if you want to rush to the net and he will clear the front of the net. Right now its just too easy to stay around the net of toronto, get the rebound, get a deflection. Manson can do a similar job chara/carlo or savard/ jones edmunson/ weber/ chiarot id against us

Sure manson will not help at all when he got the puck on his stick, he suck in this part of the game. His skating is not good.

I want manson to hurt opposing player, make opponent pay for every inch in front of the net. Thats where a manson can help toronto

 

[Maplebeasts]

Why ?

Because Manson is a guy who won most of his 1v1 battle, he a dman who will punish you if you want to rush to the net and he will clear the front of the net. Right now its just too easy to stay around the net of toronto, get the rebound, get a deflection. Manson can do a similar job chara did against us

Sure manson will not help at all when he got the puck on his stick, he suck in this part of the game. His skating is not good.

I want manson to hurt opposing player, make opponent pay for every inch in front of the net. Thats where a manson can help toronto

That really doesn't matter when your team gets caved when you're on the ice. There's other guys who can be physical in the league that won't get destroyed in every way that matters when they're on the ice.

 

[thusk]

That really doesn't matter when your team gets caved when you're on the ice. There's other guys who can be physical in the league that won't get destroyed in every way that matters when they're on the ice.

You probably one of those who want to see liljegren in front of holl and dont understand why hes not already there

 

[Maplebeasts]

You probably one of those who want to see liljegren in front of holl and dont understand why hes not already there

Josh.Manson.Sucks.

 

[stickty111]

You probably one of those who want to see liljegren in front of holl and dont understand why hes not already there

Paying a lot for someone who can only clear the net isn't good. Why not just get Schenn if thats what we want?

 

[Kiwi]

I've said it multiple times but Braun is the guy we should be after

Plays on a selling team
Pending UFA
Gets Top 4 QOC
RD
Strong defensive metrics
Size and some physicality
Cheaper to aquire

The only thing he won't do is score but that's the least of our current issues

It isn't a sexy pick but it's a bloody good fit if we're looking for a partner to play with Muzzin

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I think what we are seeing is even when Muzzin isn't his usual self, he's still needed on this team. All we need is a #4 d man and we are okay I think. Lilly has taken positive steps but I think it's better he's a #7 come playoff time. Nothing wrong with that.

This is why I want Phil Myers. Phil Myers has struggled but he could easily be a #4 here if he can return to his Philly form, and we can still easily rotate Liljegren in.

The only thing is that we would lose our LD depth (since I would think we send Dermott the other way), so unless we really like Rubins/Kral/Dahlstrom as first LD up in case Muzzin goes down again, we should add a solid LD at the TDL to be the #8 on the depth chart.

EDIT: His defensive metrics are also amazing this year, albeit in an easy bottom pairing role. His offensive game is the main thing that is awful.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I've said it multiple times but Braun is the guy we should be after

Plays on a selling team
Pending UFA
Gets Top 4 QOC
RD
Strong defensive metrics
Size and some physicality
Cheaper to aquire

The only thing he won't do is score but that's the least of our current issues

It isn't a sexy pick but it's a bloody good fit if we're looking for a partner to play with Muzzin

How is he any better than Holl though? His defensive metrics are very similar to Holl's in similar usage (and that includes a really bad stretch for Holl which he has since rebounded from, so Holl's defensive metrics are likely better than his) and his offensive metrics are significantly worse.

Plus he is a rental, which is not ideal for what the Leafs likely want. I would rather him than most other rentals at their alleged prices (Chiarot, Manson, etc.) because he is worth a 3rd round pick at most, but he likely doesn't make a difference in our chances or improve our defense all that much.