GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART V

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Should the Leafs try to sign Kadri this off-season?


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if you are going to rebuild the D now a couple of things are needed.

1. a guy to play with Muzzin. Find a RH guy who can skate and work the transition so Muzzin who is slowing down can concentrate on stay-at-home duties.
2. a bottom pairing thumper ala Bogosian who can play with Sandin and or Lillgren. Need some more beef on the back end.

The problem with Muzzin is that he doesn't want to stay at home. So many times he is behind the opposing net when it's turned over and heading the other way. He needs someone that can back him up because even the smallest little mistake in the offensive zone immediately turns into an odd man rush the other way or a forward having to pick up for him. I think he should be paired with Brodie as a true shut down pair. That's all they have to do. Leave the offense to Sandin, Rielly and Liljegren.
 
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The problem with Muzzin is that he doesn't want to stay at home. So many times he is behind the opposing net when it's turned over and heading the other way. He needs someone that can back him up because even the smallest little mistake in the offensive zone immediately turns into an odd man rush the other way or a forward having to pick up for him. I think he should be paired with Brodie as a true shut down pair. That's all they have to do. Leave the offense to Sandin, Rielly and Liljegren.
I agree, Muzzin this year more than last seems to be 'jumping' into the rush or pinching in the O zone with a bit more reckless abandon. By no means if he doing it poorly, but it exposes his d partner, and the forward who is trying to cover for him.

The other thing is, if your not going to curtail him doing this as much, you need someone who is defensive minded but they NEED to be able to skate better than Holl.

**Long post incoming**

He isnt in the league anymore, but is there a guy who I would want to be able to add its Niklas Hjalmarsson. That type of player is supper valuable to winning, but they never get paid all that much.
He skated really well, played nothing but smart position defensive hockey, made the quick smart plays. He also never put up offensive numbers (29 points over last 200 games)

I dont think a guy like that exists right now?

I thought the Leafs may target a guy like Troy Stecher at the beginning of the year (RHD, expiring contract under 2m, more defensive minded) but he hasnt played in a few months after wrist surgery. Might still be worth getting?

Maybe you go after a Collin Miller (he plays a good amount of minutes, but he is hit and miss defensively) and maybe a guy like Mark Jankowski for F depth or Pysyk for d depth? After seeing Biega play a bit more, I think its safe to say we should be looking at getting more than 1 D.

Mayfield I dont think has the skating ability required to be paired with Muzzin in the top 4, but he would be an improvement on this years Holl, is cheap if he works, and the Islanders have been a tire fire.

Adam Larsson may be about perfect for what we need, but his cost to acquire and his cap hit make him a non-starter IMO. Seattle didnt take him, to sign him to a 4 year deal, to flip him this early. Saying that, he is the smart defensive minded guy who skates well that I think we could use.

Josh Manson could be really helpful, but I think his 'name' bring more value than he does TBH. He is obviously a capable top 4 RHD, but for whatever reason (im assuming the big hits) make people in the media and hockey circles salivate over the guy.
 
The problem with Muzzin is that he doesn't want to stay at home. So many times he is behind the opposing net when it's turned over and heading the other way. He needs someone that can back him up because even the smallest little mistake in the offensive zone immediately turns into an odd man rush the other way or a forward having to pick up for him. I think he should be paired with Brodie as a true shut down pair. That's all they have to do. Leave the offense to Sandin, Rielly and Liljegren.

The Leafs offense is to continuously move throughout the zone to make the defensive team move out of their alignment and create gaps throughout. There is a problem with the Muzzin situation. Muzzin doesn't have the foot speed to recover back up the ice and there are forwards who haven't rotated through to cover.
 
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This Rangers game should make it easier for people to stop their obsession towards non-blue chip prospects and the 1st round pick. This team needs an impact player added to the roster otherwise we're better off just selling some of these cheap guys like Kase and Kampf for pics. Cash in on them with second / third rounders for some more non blue chip prospects people can spend their day loving. We're not winning a cup standing pat.
At first, I was a little upset reading this post. But, re-reading it, and thinking about it, it's not that far from the truth. This is part of the reason why I'm good with trying to get Chychrun, even at a steep price. He's a game-changer available at an incredible price. Rare.
 
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I’d be all over Murphy. Exactly what this team needs on the backend.

To Toronto: Connor Murphy
To Chicago: Nick Robertson, Travis Dermott, Nick Ritchie

Rielly - Murphy
Sandin - Brodie
Muzzin - Liljegren
Holl
4.4m moving forward though, how do you make that work with Campbell and Reillys extensions kicking in?
 
I’d be all over Murphy. Exactly what this team needs on the backend.

To Toronto: Connor Murphy
To Chicago: Nick Robertson, Travis Dermott, Nick Ritchie

Rielly - Murphy
Sandin - Brodie
Muzzin - Liljegren
Holl

Connor Murphy and Brandon Hagel would be perfect adds from Chicago. I'd give up Robertson and a 1st pretty comfortably for that package, though Chicago would have to take some salary.
 
I still see this as an all in year. If not now, when? Our offense is truly top 7 in the league if not better. We're getting Vezina nomination goal-tending.

The core four are simply better than most NHL teams top forwards. We're not winning in the playoffs because of the yips, not because the team isn't skilled enough. That is a thing we should be capable to address. If things are ugly in 2-3 years from now so be it. We had a glorious opportunity last year facing a soft opponent and blew it. Let the team fight through the playoffs this year and if we come short yet again, we're retooling anyways. This is it for the core in any poor outcome so I think we should definitely take a swing - whether or not a trade is even possible is another story. But we should definitely be trying to acquire the best player available.

Although we're having a bad stretch, we're going to be fine. The number one reason I find myself hesitant to believe in this team is because of the past. If I try to consider that the previous seasons have zero baring on the current one, this team is sick and if we play like we do in the season, we are a top team. We are 6th in the league in points percentage.

I suspect many feel traumatized by last year, to be honest, so am I. With the smallest margin of luck, we win that Habs series. Bad luck tilted that series against us: Foglino injured, Marner got the yips, JT injury, Muzzin injury. Any one of these things not happening and we could've/should've won.

If we acquire a top 4 Dman, we are making a marginal tilt that could be a small enough difference to create wins.
 
Connor Murphy and Brandon Hagel would be perfect adds from Chicago. I'd give up Robertson and a 1st pretty comfortably for that package, though Chicago would have to take some salary.
We’d honestly easily be able to fit their salary in for this year. It’s more so next year we’d have some cap issues, which we already will have anyways lol
 
Connor Murphy and Brandon Hagel would be perfect adds from Chicago. I'd give up Robertson and a 1st pretty comfortably for that package, though Chicago would have to take some salary.
What happened to Connolly? he would also be a nice add...big scoring winger with cup experience....but back of my mind something happened? dirty hit?

Kubalik and DeHaan would also be great
DeHaan is a hitting and blocking machine
 
If the Leafs could move Mrazek (potentially in a different trade), I’d be interested in MAF.. would be a good insurance policy for Campbell
 
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We’d honestly easily be able to fit their salary in for this year. It’s more so next year we’d have some cap issues, which we already will have anyways lol

We’re losing guys next year regardless, so I’d just go for it.

I can’t see them being able to unload Mrazek, Ritchie, and Holl without taking salary back, so that would also mean moving Kerfoot… and even that won’t be enough to give raises to Campbell, Kase, Mikheyev, Sandin, and Liljegren.

Actually, if this team doesn’t get it done this year, a core member is gone, so that should open space up…
 
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if Muzzin goes to LTIR they could do Robertson and Ritchie for Murphy and Kubalik
obviously take more from Leafs, Dermott + Conditional Pick(s)
 
We’re losing guys next year regardless, so I’d just go for it.

I can’t see them being able to unload Mrazek, Ritchie, and Holl without taking salary back, so that would also mean moving Kerfoot… and even that won’t be enough to give raises to Campbell, Kase, Mikheyev, Sandin, and Liljegren.

Actually, if this team doesn’t get it done this year, a core member is gone, so that should open space up…

Can't see any circumstance where Kerfoot is a Leaf to start next year - he's the most expendable pricey piece and movable at 3.5. If you can move those 4 guys, that's $12m opened up, and assuming Sandin/Lil would agree to a Dermott-like bridge contract, then we should be able to afford everyone (depending on how much Mickey is offered in UFA, off course).
 
Its true, I still don't see them much more than a team that maybe makes second round.
They need to be heavier and more team compete

Im not agree with everything. I think this team can have a lot of succes but they need player more physical particularly in def. Thats why, my main target is Josh Manson. Big physical stay at home dmen. Leafs dont need big transitionnal dman really fast, they need someone able to win his one on one battle clear the front of the net and be able to play against top opponent line, thats exactly what Josh Manson is. Hes the guy leafs really need to be agressive on him maybe try to get a rackel in the same deal.
 
Out, Muzzin, Holl, Dermott, Kerfoot
In Chychrun, Lyubushkin, Manson (50%), Crouse.

Yes, this fits on the cap.

Yes, there would be a high cost in picks and prospects... but these are changes to play big boy hockey.
 
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To Toronto: Lawson Crouse, Ilya Lyubushkin (50% retained), 4th Round Draft Pick
To Arizona: Nick Robertson, Travis Dermott, 2nd Round Draft Pick


Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Crouse - Kampf - Kase
Mikheyev - Engvall - Simmonds

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Liljegren
Sandin - Lyubushkin


Would probably be the best third line in the league.
 
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Klingberg & Pavelski both 50%
For Holl + dermott + Ritchie + Robertson + 1st + 2nd
Then a mid pick for Schenn.
Bunting Matthews Pavelski
Mikheyev Tavares Marner
Nylander Kerfoot Kase
Engvall Kampf Anderson/spezz/simmer
Roll four lines deep overwhelm the opposition with three quality scoring lines use the fourth for D zone starts and to tilt the ice.
Rielly-Brodie
Muzz-klingberg
Sandin-liljegren
Schenn
 
To Toronto: Lawson Crouse, Ilya Lyubushkin (50% retained), 4th Round Draft Pick
To Arizona: Nick Robertson, Travis Dermott, 2nd Round Draft Pick


Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Crouse - Kampf - Kase
Mikheyev - Engvall - Simmonds

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Liljegren
Sandin - Lyubushkin


Would probably be the best third line in the league.

Mikheyev is better than Crouse.
 
If the Leafs could move Mrazek (potentially in a different trade), I’d be interested in MAF.. would be a good insurance policy for Campbell

That would definitely be quite the upgrade. My only worry there might be in having both goalies slated for UFA at the same time.
 
To Toronto: Lawson Crouse, Ilya Lyubushkin (50% retained), 4th Round Draft Pick
To Arizona: Nick Robertson, Travis Dermott, 2nd Round Draft Pick


Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Crouse - Kampf - Kase
Mikheyev - Engvall - Simmonds

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Liljegren
Sandin - Lyubushkin


Would probably be the best third line in the league.

I don't even think I'd trade Robertson for Crouse and Lyub straight up.
 
Id do whatever it takes to get Lindholm and manson from Anaheim. I've spoken to a few ducks fans on here and a 2022 1st plus 2023 2nd and muzzin should be enough. Obviously we would need to know we could resign Lindholm. He would provide the biggest upgrade that we could get for our blue line. Manson would be cheaper 2nd plus good prospect and roster player. Its doable and would solidify our d.
 
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