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GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART V

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Should the Leafs try to sign Kadri this off-season?

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Dragao6 said:
2 Stanley cups for the 1st team


2nd team success??? Prob is fans get confident in the regular season and don’t understand why there’s no success in the playoffs, think teams roster is just fine, just like right now
And then when they lose fans want all these changes until the next regular season begins and we get a few wins
It’s a cycle that’s resulted in 0 playoff series wins in decades
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This might blow your mind, but fans being confident or not confident doesn't matter to anyone actually making decisions for the team whatsoever.
 
Hey Zeke, I usually enjoy reading your posts given your knowledge and what not but I do not agree with this whole top 5 defensively basing it off our GAA… For the first 30 or so games, Campbell played at a Vezina level which is more unsustainable then sustainable. As we see it now, with our goalies are coming back down to earth, we’re sliding down the GAA chart.
 
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Regarding the Kadri poll, he should never have been traded but this off-season was when the Leafs would have been forced to part ways with Kadri anyways.
 
ACC1224 said:
Yes they have certainly made the opposing goalies look good and found some adversity which isn't uncommon in the playoffs.
Hopefully this is the year they can man up and push through for a series win.
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The reality is that this team is not built to overcome injuries to key players because of how much cap they have allocated on 4 players.
 
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TMLAM34 said:
Hey Zeke, I usually enjoy reading your posts given your knowledge and what not but I do not agree with this whole top 5 defensively basing it off our GAA… For the first 30 or so games, Campbell played at a Vezina level which is more unsustainable then sustainable. As we see it now, with our goalies are coming back down to earth, we’re sliding down the GAA chart.
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The Leafs expected GA metrics which do not care who your goalie is are top 10 as well. The reality is that the Leafs are good on defense, but it's easy to fall into the trap that they suck because of negative media attention and past results which leave a sour taste in all of our mouths. I've been guilty of it too.
 
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Dreakmur said:
I never claimed they sucked defensively, though it sure does make it easy to disagree when you can just make up somebody else's opinion. They've been about average - maybe slightly above - since adding Brodie.

The other teams absolutely did suck offensively. Montreal was one of the worst offensive teams in the play-offs, and Columbus was one of the worst offensive teams in the whole league.
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The Leafs aren't average defensively either so your argument is still ridiculous. It's also laughable how far you have shifted the goal posts to craft your argument. If the Leafs concede alot of goals its because they are average defensively, but if they concede few goals it's because the opposition sucks. Tell me, how are the Leafs supposed to prove they are a good defense under those conditions? Figure it out bud...
 
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Scion said:
The Leafs aren't average defensively either so your argument is still ridiculous.
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I guess we just disagree.

It's also laughable how far you have shifted the goal posts to craft your argument.
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Explaining why you think what you think isn't shifting any goalpost. Somebody posted the Leafs low GAA totals and I explained that I thought it was because the opponent was bad and not because the Leafs were great.

If the Leafs concede alot of goals its because they are average defensively, but if they concede few goals it's because the opposition sucks. Tell me, how are the Leafs supposed to prove they are a good defense under those conditions? Figure it out bud...
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Against a bad offensive team, I don't think they really cant prove that they're good defensively.
 
Scion said:
The Leafs expected GA metrics which do not care who your goalie is are top 10 as well. The reality is that the Leafs are good on defense, but it's easy to fall into the trap that they suck because of negative media attention and past results which leave a sour taste in all of our mouths. I've been guilty of it too.
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Im not totally agree

Against montreal yes the was was good and price just stole that serie.

Against columbus it was a real problem. Not for the gaa but how they play. Probably the blue line had a kind of glue to keep d of leafs on at the blue line. Dman was static in the offensive zone scoring chance create by a d was probably pretty close of 0.
 
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So just curious
To what point does this need need to get to for management to realize they do need to make changes, this team isn’t going to be good enough?
How do they decide ok we need a change?
 
Dragao6 said:
So just curious
To what point does this need need to get to for management to realize they do need to make changes, this team isn’t going to be good enough?
How do they decide ok we need a change?
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Are we talking about in general, or just for this year?

In general, it likely comes from guys a lot higher than Dubas (i.e. MLSE/Shanahan). GM's typically don't have permission to move a major, young core player unless ownership gives them the go-ahead.

For this year, nothing likely will not happen. There are not many changes that can be made that will improve our team. We just need our key guys to show up in key times, and any trade we make will not help with that.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
Are we talking about in general, or just for this year?

In general, it likely comes from guys a lot higher than Dubas (i.e. MLSE/Shanahan). GM's typically don't have permission to move a major, young core player unless ownership gives them the go-ahead.

For this year, nothing likely will not happen. There are not many changes that can be made that will improve our team. We just need our key guys to show up in key times, and any trade we make will not help with that.
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I agree - I don't see any major moves before the summer. This is the last go-round with this core though - if they flop out in the 1st round again then one HAS to be moved.
 
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Any big moves will happen if made in the off-season.

It’s sad to see our blueline struggle so much ever since Muzzin went down even though he’s had a down year.
 
Friedman and Marek confirmed at the intermission that teams have reached out to the Leafs about Mrazek. The Leafs aren't looking to potentially move him until the summer. Other teams have asked to be kept in the loop. Marek came out and said that there is a market for Mrazek.

Good to know.

 
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Friedman and Marek confirmed at the intermission that teams have reached out to the Leafs about Mrazek. The Leafs aren't looking to potentially move him until the summer. Other teams have asked to be kept in the loop. Marek came out and said that there is a market for Mrazek.

Good to know.
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Should that really come as a surprise to anyone?

We didn't give him a 3.8 x 3 contract because we felt like it... He had a lot of other teams interested in him, and the market is arguably even weaker for goalies this upcoming offseason. An injury and some inconsistent play in a very small sample size as a result is not going to change that.
 
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LeafChief said:
Friedman and Marek confirmed at the intermission that teams have reached out to the Leafs about Mrazek. The Leafs aren't looking to potentially move him until the summer. Other teams have asked to be kept in the loop. Marek came out and said that there is a market for Mrazek.

Good to know.
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They also said that the Leafs have interest in Josh Manson and that they looking to sign Barrie Colts goalie Mack Gudza.
 
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