GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IV

[LeafChief]

I've been looking at young centres that could be potential reclamation projects as well and I'm wondering about Sam Steel out of Anaheim

I'd love to put him with Spezza and have him take that kid under his wing

Troy Terry would have been perfect as a buy low option last year. Kid is flying now.

 

[Kiwi]

Troy Terry would have been perfect as a buy low option last year. Kid is flying now.

Yep, if you want one of those you need to get them before the breakout

I wouldn't mind trying to grab a reclamation project every year and putting him on the 4th line with Spezza and Simmonds and build some offensive confidence that way

 

[Kiwi]

Ok crew

The Oilers need a goaltender and defensive help

What if we offered them Mrazek plus one of either Holl or Dermott and took back Koskenen in the deal to be our backup for the remainder of the season

This has some benifits for us, we get rid of money the next two seasons we will need for a Soup extension this offseason

I haven't looked into NMC or cap implications because I can't be assed but if that deal was possible would you do it? And what would you want as a second or third piece to make it worthwhile?

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Ok crew

The Oilers need a goaltender and defensive help

What if we offered them Mrazek plus one of either Holl or Dermott and took back Koskenen in the deal to be our backup for the remainder of the season

This has some benifits for us, we get rid of money the next two seasons we will need for a Soup extension this offseason

I haven't looked into NMC or cap implications because I can't be assed but if that deal was possible would you do it? And what would you want as a second or third piece to make it worthwhile?

If we are "helping" the Oilers with their problems I want a premium asset in return. Needs to be a high pick or one of the kids on D.

 

[TML1967]

i dont think he bumps down Anderson ...he has 50+ NHL games vs 5 with zero's across the board except for a -1
Clifford is also not here for his defense, or offense, he's here as a physical 4th liner and based on PIMs he's not physical either.
he'd just be another AHL washout, but, hey, he's tall.

Not to get pedantic, but he is a much much better skater than Clifford, meaning on the forecheck he can actually hit a guy when he has the puck instead of a second late. (Clifford of 5 years ago was good, this new much slower version should be like our 15th guy)

He has had a few solid tilts, and forechecks pretty well already.
Coming out of college where he won a few championships, his coach talked about how he was most impressed with how he had developed defensively.

Maybe he never makes it, but I would love to take a flyer on a guy who if he hits has real upside over Joey A who so far has looked like a bad return for AJ.

 

[Stephen]

Actually I think Dion was much more similar to jones - his team and dcorps was actually pretty good in Calgary. And there were clear signs on both the eye test and the numbers that Dion's defensive play was quite poor, and that his physicality was fooling people in that department.

At least the Leafs got him for a song though! not like Jones. (let's ignore the later extension we signed him to).

But again for me Chychrun is way harder to judge than guys like Dion and Seth were. Probably a better comp is someone like OEL, tbh.

Yeah OEL is another one. There’s definitely a weird fog of war that seems to shroud these elite defensemen on bad teams. They don’t play those critical moments in big games and tend to get these inflated reputations based on stand out athletic attributes like hits and shots that make the highlight reels. But otherwise people are looking at them that closely.

On the flip side you have guys like Devon Toews and Jaccob Slavin and Brett Pesce who seem to really stabilize whatever D core they play for and you can see the improvement on their teams just from an organized transition POV.

Looking at that position is definitely a little bit tricky.

 

[Americanadian]

To LAK: Kerfoot, Dermott, Amirov, 2022 1st
To TOR: Arvidsson, Roy

To COL: Mrazek
To DAL: TOR 2023 4th, COL 2022 3rd, Francouz
To TOR: Holtby

To CBJ: Ritchie, Holl
To TOR: Robinson

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Arvidsson-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Kampf-Kase
Robinson-Spezza-Simmonds
Engvall

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Roy
Sandin-Liljegren
Rubins

Campbell
Holtby

 

[Kiwi]

If we are "helping" the Oilers with their problems I want a premium asset in return. Needs to be a high pick or one of the kids on D.

Samorukov? The way there playing I doubt there first is on the table and Broberg seems a pretty aggressive ask

 

[TML1967]

I've been hoping the Leafs could try to snag him away as a reclamation project of some sort. Not sure what it would take.

Plus Dubas knows him well from the Soo days.

All of his fancy stats (Fenwick, Corsi etc) look good, and he still just 21.
If you can snag him that would be amazing

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Samorukov? The way there playing I doubt there first is on the table and Broberg seems a pretty aggressive ask

If they are getting Mrazek and Dermott (makes more sense for EDM than Holl, and it probably makes more sense for the Leafs too), plus we are taking on a cap dump like Koskinen, I would say a 1st that is not in the top 10 is not unreasonable.

So just top 10 protect the 1st round pick.

Edmonton needs a competent starter like Mrazek and competent defender like Dermott a lot more than we need to worry about cap space for next year to re-sign Campbell. Holland is going to need to pay for it. Also needs to make it worth our while to severely downgrade Mrazek with Koskinen when we are in the middle of a competitive year.

 

[TMLAM34]

Ok crew

The Oilers need a goaltender and defensive help

What if we offered them Mrazek plus one of either Holl or Dermott and took back Koskenen in the deal to be our backup for the remainder of the season

This has some benifits for us, we get rid of money the next two seasons we will need for a Soup extension this offseason

I haven't looked into NMC or cap implications because I can't be assed but if that deal was possible would you do it? And what would you want as a second or third piece to make it worthwhile?

Considering he’s a UFA after the season, that’s not a bad idea at all.

 

[TML1967]

Samorukov? The way there playing I doubt there first is on the table and Broberg seems a pretty aggressive ask

Any insight into what the heck is happening with Benson? His numbers everywhere but the NHL (AHL, WHL, Swiss) have looked really good for a young guy who plays competent d. And this year, 0 points in 16 games. Still only 23, is he worth adding to a deal to see if he is just suffering on a team with no offensive depth?

Maybe a guy like Raphael Lavoie? Generates a ton of shots when he is on the ice, has good size and speed, and is another guy who looked really good until this year. Good article from the Athletic called him something like the 'shot generation king' of junior.

Matvei Petrov is killing it in junior this year, but I dont know how much value a recent 6th roung pick has less than 6 months after the draft.

 

[Knies iT]

If they are getting Mrazek and Dermott (makes more sense for EDM than Holl, and it probably makes more sense for the Leafs too), plus we are taking on a cap dump like Koskinen, I would say a 1st that is not in the top 10 is not unreasonable.

So just top 10 protect the 1st round pick.

Edmonton needs a competent starter like Mrazek and competent defender like Dermott a lot more than we need to worry about cap space for next year to re-sign Campbell. Holland is going to need to pay for it. Also needs to make it worth our while to severely downgrade Mrazek with Koskinen when we are in the middle of a competitive year.

There is no chance Holland will trade their 1st for a marginal upgrade in net after sitting pat the last two years despite pressure to trade it. Poor optics and there's more glaring holes on that roster.

Dermott also doesn't do much for them. Niemelainen has become a bottom pair surprise, one of their hit leaders, and Lagesson is fighting for 3LHD ice-time (being mishandled).

I'd personally be fine with the Mrazek/Koskinen downgrade, as long as the Leafs could walk away with a Tullio/Samorukov sweetener.

 

[as Pure as Evil]

Ok crew

The Oilers need a goaltender and defensive help

What if we offered them Mrazek plus one of either Holl or Dermott and took back Koskenen in the deal to be our backup for the remainder of the season

This has some benifits for us, we get rid of money the next two seasons we will need for a Soup extension this offseason

I haven't looked into NMC or cap implications because I can't be assed but if that deal was possible would you do it? And what would you want as a second or third piece to make it worthwhile?

they will have to pay a premium. dubas wouldn't give them hyman for a extra year for peanuts. so we would expect something substantial. especially in there time of need say what you want about dubas but he see's value in everything

 

[zeke]

Ok crew

The Oilers need a goaltender and defensive help

What if we offered them Mrazek plus one of either Holl or Dermott and took back Koskenen in the deal to be our backup for the remainder of the season

This has some benifits for us, we get rid of money the next two seasons we will need for a Soup extension this offseason

I haven't looked into NMC or cap implications because I can't be assed but if that deal was possible would you do it? And what would you want as a second or third piece to make it worthwhile?

We get worse on D and in goal tho.

 

[Kiwi]

We get worse on D and in goal tho.

We've been trying to move a D already apparently and let's be completely honest here

Mrazek has done nothing, that contract needs to go either now or in the off-season

 

[RomanianLeafs]

To LAK: Kerfoot, Dermott, Amirov, 2022 1st
To TOR: Arvidsson, Roy

To COL: Mrazek
To DAL: TOR 2023 4th, COL 2022 3rd, Francouz
To TOR: Holtby

To CBJ: Ritchie, Holl
To TOR: Robinson

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Arvidsson-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Kampf-Kase
Robinson-Spezza-Simmonds
Engvall

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Roy
Sandin-Liljegren
Rubins

Campbell
Holtby

What is this s.it? Horrible

 

[thusk]

The biggest target right now in my mind

#1 joe pavelski : a player who can do everything on the ice. Can give offensive, excelent defensivly, really energitic and go on dirty area. The most important thing, hes a clutch player. He can do the big play at the most critical moment. Thats why is on top of my list.

#2 tomas hertl : excellent complete two way player, can see a great fit along side jt and nylander.

#3 giroux because of his talent just not sure about the fit here for what the team need / but too talented to dont put his name here

#4 mark giordano

Hes not at the same level but can still help ans step up in someone get injured in d .

#5 brown/ radulov

Could be buy low/ high reward type of player

 

[Knies iT]

The biggest target right now in my mind

#1 joe pavelski : a player who can do everything on the ice. Can give offensive, excelent defensivly, really energitic and go on dirty area. The most important thing, hes a clutch player. He can do the big play at the most critical moment. Thats why is on top of my list.

#2 tomas hertl : excellent complete two way player, can see a great fit along side jt and nylander.

#3 giroux because of his talent just not sure about the fit here for what the team need / but too talented to dont put his name here

#4 mark giordano

Hes not at the same level but can still help ans step up in someone get injured in d .

#5 brown/ radulov

Could be buy low/ high reward type of player

The salary cap was introduced in 2005.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

There is no chance Holland will trade their 1st for a marginal upgrade in net after sitting pat the last two years despite pressure to trade it. Poor optics and there's more glaring holes on that roster.

Dermott also doesn't do much for them. Niemelainen has become a bottom pair surprise, one of their hit leaders, and Lagesson is fighting for 3LHD ice-time (being mishandled).

I'd personally be fine with the Mrazek/Koskinen downgrade, as long as the Leafs could walk away with a Tullio/Samorukov sweetener.

I have no doubt that Holland would move his 1st this year if he felt it upgraded his team both now and in the long term. Mrazek and Dermott both have term, and both upgrade major weaknesses on his team. Mrazek, especially, is more than a marginal upgrade on Koskinen.

Tullio/Samorukov are not going to entice Dubas to downgrade Mrazek to Koskinen. I would probably want more than Tullio/Samorukov just to take on Koskinen's contract, and that excludes the value I would want to consider moving Mrazek right now.

Keep in mind that if Campbell gets hurt, and he has had trouble with injuries in the past, we would have Koskinen as our next guy up if we moved Mrazek... Koskinen is one of the worst goalies in the league. Dubas will want a premium for taking that risk, and will have to pay a lot more than Samorukov/Tullio to get an even a rental upgrade on Koskinen, and I would be surprised if they are better than Mrazek.

If they don't want Dermott, and only want to do Mrazek for Koskinen, then I would still want a 2nd and another piece that is better than Tullio/Samorukov... Possibly even another 2nd. Otherwise, Edmonton can take their chances on Georgiev, Fleury (with 50% retention) or Korpisalo who likely will also command a lot more than just Tullio/Samorukov as well... And remember that, unlike Mrazek, both Fleury and Korpisalo are rentals.

 

[thusk]

The salary cap was introduced in 2005.

Toronto didn't have cap space for foligno too but still get him so dont know what is the real problem here?!?!

 

[Fogelhund]

The biggest target right now in my mind

#1 joe pavelski : a player who can do everything on the ice. Can give offensive, excelent defensivly, really energitic and go on dirty area. The most important thing, hes a clutch player. He can do the big play at the most critical moment. Thats why is on top of my list.

#2 tomas hertl : excellent complete two way player, can see a great fit along side jt and nylander.

#3 giroux because of his talent just not sure about the fit here for what the team need / but too talented to dont put his name here

#4 mark giordano

Hes not at the same level but can still help ans step up in someone get injured in d .

#5 brown/ radulov

Could be buy low/ high reward type of player

Why exactly do we need to upgrade our forward group?

I can see trying to replace Holl... or more physicality in the D... but our forward group has chemistry, and is pretty solid.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

We've been trying to move a D already apparently and let's be completely honest here

Mrazek has done nothing, that contract needs to go either now or in the off-season

If we are moving Mrazek now, then Edmonton would need to make it worth our while. We are not dumping Mrazek after playing 3 games when we still need him for the exact reason we gave him a 3.8 x 3 contract in the first place... And especially not to replace him with Koskinen.

If we need his cap space in the offseason, we will trade him at that point. Given the weak crop of goalies who can start like he can in UFA, I doubt it will be difficult for Dubas to move him. I would not be surprised if we can even find a good return for him.

 

[ACC1224]

Why exactly do we need to upgrade our forward group?

I can see trying to replace Holl... or more physicality in the D... but our forward group has chemistry, and is pretty solid.

I’m with you in this. Sure you can always improve but if they stand with this group all year I’d be good with that.

 

[Menzinger]

Ok crew

The Oilers need a goaltender and defensive help

What if we offered them Mrazek plus one of either Holl or Dermott and took back Koskenen in the deal to be our backup for the remainder of the season

This has some benifits for us, we get rid of money the next two seasons we will need for a Soup extension this offseason

I haven't looked into NMC or cap implications because I can't be assed but if that deal was possible would you do it? And what would you want as a second or third piece to make it worthwhile?

The Oilers and Leafs make good trade partners, one of the reasons why I'm not particularly worried about of the team has to move on from Mrazek, teams always need goalies.

Though for him I see that more as an offseason move. I'd personally like a solid 1b for the Leafs this playoffs if the nightmare situation happens with Campbell. I don't want to see Woll or Hutch during the playoffs.

They'd likely jump on either Holl or Dermott for a pick if they were offered.