GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IV

[X66]

Leafs are actually a really strong 5 on 5 defensive team, better than Florida even who everyone is popping wood over.

After the trade deadline we can be even better.

Our special teams absolutely crush Florida's, I'd like our chances in a playoff series.

 

[X66]

Also, I think the Leafs are better off going for a sniper than a big dman(price etc).

But if someone can help the expected goals bump, like Kessel on the Penguins, it could be lights out.

 

[Fogelhund]

I can't be the only person who gets Leafs notifications to their phone, through the Leafs app... every time I get a notification mid-day, my immediate reaction is trade... and then much to my disappointment, it's enter to win a Sport Chek prize pack.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Similar usage 2nd pairings on elite teams:

FLA Forsling - Gudas 53.3xgf%
TOR Muzzin - Holl 53.2xgf%
TBL McDonagh - Cernak 52.6xgf%
CAR Skjei - Pesce 51.2xgf%
COL Girard - Johnson 47.2xgf%


Tampa won their first cup with 21yr old Sergachev and 22yr old Cernak not just on their bottom pair, but getting top 4 minutes. They didn't go out and get crappy vets to play ahead of them.

Cernak is a good example. He definitely walked into a decent role with little experience during that run. On the other hand, Sergachev was young but already had decent playoff experience going into that year.

Ideally, the Leafs should add a good top 4 defenseman with proven playoff success. It's probably not wise having an up-and-down version of Holl + two inexperienced young defensemen making up half the defensive unit. This is especially true when they don't have a Hedman-like defenseman to shield them.

But yes Mayfield or other similar names won't cut it. There's not much of a jump there to even make it worthwhile.

 

[meefer]

True with Pulock's injury he's been forced to play on the top pair with Pelech. Too bad the mighty Isles have so little defensive depth.

But I don't think the numbers get any more favorable for Mayfield in previous years when his role was identical to Holl's.

I'm not actually saying he hasn't been better than Holl this year overall, btw, because Holl has struggled....but I do think Holl has been coming out of his slump nicely the last few weeks.

Thing is, if Mayfield came up in our system as a late bloomer like he did with the Isles, I'm pretty sure Leafs fans would see him as a fake top 4 dman just like they do Holl.

I can't say that they are or aren't. I would suggest based on what I've read that they are very similar. If they are similar, Mayfield's 500K+/year contract savings is something I'd want to exploit. I agree, were Mayfield a product of our system I'd be hesitant to move him for emotional reasons. We grow attached. But a Cap world...

 

[thusk]

Knowing Holl will be going up against the top lines of Florida, Tampa, Carolina, Washington, NYR, Pens, Bruins is even more reason to upgrade him fast. I'm about to have an anxiety attack just picturing it.

An upgrade yes but it should be an upgrade on defenside side, not on offensive side.

The 2 name i heard the most, Chychrun and klingberg are not an upgrade defensive side.

Chychrun when he scored 41 points (18 goal) in 58 games. Hes started 61% of the time on offensive zone. Now oel left, he started 54 % on defensive side and he look awful this season too.

Its the same thing with klindberg. Both are a replacemen for morgan rielly role, not for holl or muzzin role.

So Manson is the best option for what leafs need and get holl as.a.6th is pretty exxellent too.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Johnston on Leafs' priorities as the trade deadline approaches and latest on Carey Price - TSN.ca

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TSN hockey insider Chris Johnston joins First Up to chat about Leafs priorities as they approach the deadline, what are some names that the Leafs might be attached to, Maple Leafs practicing despite yesterday's major snowstorm, the latest on Carey Price and more.

 

[thusk]

if anyone thinks Muzzin has lost a step, Manson has lost 2 ...he's not what we need. Manson from 5 years ago is what we need. you are remembering the Manson from when we Picked up Muzzin, not the Manson of today

Sure a stay at home dman will NEVER looking good in an awfull team. This season with a upgraded anaheim team, he look better.

It was the same with ron hainsey when he was in carolina and pittsburgh get him. He didn't look really good in caroline but he did a hell of a job for pittsburgh in playoff.

 

[Michael HOMERUNing]

if anyone thinks Muzzin has lost a step, Manson has lost 2 ...he's not what we need. Manson from 5 years ago is what we need. you are remembering the Manson from when we Picked up Muzzin, not the Manson of today

Have you watched Josh Manson this season? His skating alone is 100 times better than Muzzin's

 

[Nylanderthal]

I'm no cap guru.
But I think we can (and will) wiggle through a very good trade - giving us some question marks in the offseason; but a worry that will be reserved for then (re-Kerfoot)

Cutting bait on Ritchie Mrazek Holl & or Dermott and Mik leaves enough room to re-up Soupy and fill in the blanks.
All of those guys equal to $11.445. You can give Soupy a raise of $3-4 from that pool to bring his aav up to 4.5-5.5 and spread the remaining 7.5-8.5 around how they see fit.

 

[Shooter2x]

Chychrun, I like his skills, I don't like his injury history, nor his defensive abilities. Stay away, especially at a high cost. There are a number of impactful, defensively responsible Dmen who we could try to acquire, who would cost less and make our team more difficult to play against. Keep the puck out, get the puck out of our zone, our offense is sufficient. Don't get suckered.

He's 23. Those injuries happened when he was still developing, forced into a significant role on a bad team. Our young guys would probably be all over the IR as well if they had to take on 20-25 minutes a game instead of developing on the third pair. I'm not too worried about his injury history.

This board is sleeping hard on Chychrun. His price tag is an accurate reflection of the short term and long term benefits of acquiring him.

 

[McSnypsky]

Just curious if a stay at home D would be a good cheap add for depth? And maybe Luke Schenn being that guy?

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Board died? Leafs must have re-signed Mats Sundin.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[SprDaVE]

Just curious if a stay at home D would be a good cheap add for depth? And maybe Luke Schenn being that guy?

Mark Pysyk would be at the top of my list.

 

[Fogelhund]

Just curious if a stay at home D would be a good cheap add for depth? And maybe Luke Schenn being that guy?

My opinion is we need a Holl replacement for the second pairing, and Schenn wouldn’t be able to fill that role.

 

[Kiwi]

Mark Pysyk would be at the top of my list.

I'd rather play Rubin's and keep the assets

 

[zeke]

Cernak is a good example. He definitely walked into a decent role with little experience during that run. On the other hand, Sergachev was young but already had decent playoff experience going into that year.

Ideally, the Leafs should add a good top 4 defenseman with proven playoff success. It's probably not wise having an up-and-down version of Holl + two inexperienced young defensemen making up half the defensive unit. This is especially true when they don't have a Hedman-like defenseman to shield them.

But yes Mayfield or other similar names won't cut it. There's not much of a jump there to even make it worthwhile.

And both Sandin and Liljegren are lower on the roster than either sergachev or cernak were on that cap run.

Blues also won the previous cup with Dunn on the roster with no playoffs experience. Caps the year before with Djoos. Etc. Etc.

 

[jaric1862]

Trade Deadline gameplan:

1. Use a 2nd-3rd rounder to get Braun or Pysyk (cheaper option). Don’t subtract anyone from the roster.

2. Acquire a center who doesn’t count against the cap (on the Taxi squad or in the minors) who could step in and play bottom-six minutes. Preferably a younger player. A guy like Kevin Stenlund in Columbus comes to mind.

 

[thusk]

And both Sandin and Liljegren are lower on the roster than either sergachev or cernak were on that cap run.

Blues also won the previous cup with Dunn on the roster with no playoffs experience. Caps the year before with Djoos. Etc. Etc.

Sergachev first 2 full season as regular on third pairing before he get his shot on the top 4. If you compare to sandin who playing right now his 1st full nhl season as regular.

Cernak in his 1st season as regular, played in the top 4 during season but felt on the third pairing when tampa traded for Dan giradi at the trade dealine. Look similar to liljegren

Dunn played 15 m on a 3rd pairing...

So whats your point???

 

[Americanadian]

Muzzin, Amirov, 2022 2nd for Arvidsson, Roy

Holl, Hirvonen for Soucy

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Arvidsson-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Kampf-Kase
Simmons-Kerfoot-Spezza

Rielly-Brodie
Soucy-Roy
Sandin-Liljegren

 

[DraftSchmaft]

I must have been living under a rock I had no idea Seth Jarvis already cracked Carolina's roster. That Marleau trade turned out to be an absolute disaster. If Amirov doesn't make the NHL, the Marleau trade and all its implications turns out 10000x worse than trading Kadri. Literally zero reason to make cap space to re-sign AJ and Kap. Better off letting Marleau play his contract out in the bottom 6.

They already leaked Evan Rodrigues from the Kapanen trade. They already leaked Weegar by choosing to hold onto AJ and Dermott instead.

This is the last season I back this management group if they ignore the need for a no.4 and it backfires. They better prove me wrong with Holl. The moves will quickly start to look too cute and over-smart (see Weegar). Holls 2 week span of good play before he normalized already contributed to losing to warmup teams twice in a row. There's no warmup teams this year, the opponents are even harder, yet we might still run the same second pair. A second pair that Muzzin needs to carry...but Muzzin himself can never stay healthy. It's a troll job at this point.


This is just a long rant to remind Dubas to do what's right and fix the second pair already (and yes reading between the lines I'm saying make some use of re-signing Kapanen and let go of Amirov if it can bring in an impact player).

 

[zeke]

Sergachev first 2 full season as regular on third pairing before he get his shot on the top 4. If you compare to sandin who playing right now his 1st full nhl season as regular.

Cernak in his 1st season as regular, played in the top 4 during season but felt on the third pairing when tampa traded for Dan giradi at the trade dealine. Look similar to liljegren

Dunn played 15 m on a 3rd pairing...

So whats your point???

The point js obvious - having good quality young inexperienced dmen on your team is not in any way a concern.

Burying them behind slug vet #6/7 dmen is dumb.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I must have been living under a rock I had no idea Seth Jarvis already cracked Carolina's roster. That Marleau trade turned out to be an absolute disaster. If Amirov doesn't make the NHL, the Marleau trade and all its implications turns out 10000x worse than trading Kadri. Literally zero reason to make cap space to re-sign AJ and Kap. Better off letting Marleau play his contract out in the bottom 6.

They already leaked Evan Rodrigues from the Kapanen trade. They already leaked Weegar by choosing to hold onto AJ and Dermott instead.

This is the last season I back this management group if they ignore the need for a no.4 and it backfires. They better prove me wrong with Holl. The moves will quickly start to look too cute and over-smart (see Weegar). Holls 2 week span of good play before he normalized already contributed to losing to warmup teams twice in a row. There's no warmup teams this year, the opponents are even harder, yet we might still run the same second pair. A second pair that Muzzin needs to carry...but Muzzin himself can never stay healthy. It's a troll job at this point.


This is just a long rant to remind Dubas to do what's right and fix the second pair already (and yes reading between the lines I'm saying make some use of re-signing Kapanen and let go of Amirov if it can bring in an impact player).

It was never an option to ride out Marleau. He demanded a trade to SJ only or to someone who would buy him out. He had already put the house up for sale and sent the family back to Cali before the playoffs ended.

 

[IrishInOntario]

Hell no to dealing Kral

He's the Marlies #1D and has been PPG for the last dozen games and could play for us as early as early next season

I like Kral a lot, but he's not the type of defenseman we need. Rielly, Sandin and Liljegren all bring what he dies to the table. So dies Topi Niemela.

Toronto needs a separator/ cycle breaker. A guy who stops the cycle behind his own net and clears bodies out in front of the net. An upgraded version of Bogosian, South of 30, with a nice contract. Essentially, Scott Mayfield.