GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IV

[Fogelhund]

Just doing a little stat watching, holy moly has Barrett Hayton not lived up to the hype.

This I don't understand. He plays a lot with Keller and/or Crouse. Centers the line for them, and others... they are the teams leading scorers (1st and 4th) and yet somehow he's only put up THREE even strength points.

 

[ACC1224]

Lievo is a better skater, has a really good shot, and forechecks better.

If you believe Ritchie is a potential top 6 W, I agree they are every different.

IMO Leivo can still be a bottom 6 W/13thF at a 1.75m savings.

Agreed, they are nothing alike as mentioned.
Leafs have lots of guys who can play on the bottom lines.

 

[Fogelhund]

I think that the Leafs could be a good trading partner with the Stars.

Ritchie would be more suited for their style of game and there's probably a guy on that roster that the Leafs could use this season in the bottom 6.

If you want to make it a bigger trade, wait until closer to the deadline and hope that the Stars fall further out of the playoff race and try to get Klingberg.

Honestly, just send me back Hakanpaa, and I'm happy... challenge is their cap.

I'm not even sure why people want to mess with our forward group at the moment.

A healthy group with.;

Bunting Matthews Marner
Kerfoot Tavares Nylander
Mikheyev Kampf Kase
Spezza Engvall Simmonds
Clifford Ritchie

Really.. this is a group, at their prices, we don't need to upgrade on, at least at the current time. It's a very solid team, that we can bring more physicality up, if we need to. Sure, I have no problems moving Ritchie, but I'd be happy taking back prospects/picks, and getting nothing that doesn't add to our forward group. Bring me a decent D option, even bottom pairing like Hakanpaa, who has some size... I'm good.

 

[justashadowof]

Alex Nylander may be on the road to not getting qualified in the summer. Then he may become a possible reclamation project here.

 

[mydnyte]

Who on Dallas are you thinking about?
He doesnt help too much right now, but a Riley Tufte could be interesting. Struggled offensively since being drafted but he seems to have become a really solid defensive forward, is 6'5 and skates well for a guy his size. I would assume a + would be coming with him as well.

sounds like Engvall, so, who would he replace Engvall, even though he's not as good as Engvall?

 

[darrylsittler27]

Just my 2 cents but I'm not expecting Dubas' to make a huge splash given the asking prices and our need to hold high picks. Let's win a round or two first. I expect him to pick up a vet mid season who can play top 4 then lean more on Sandin and Lily. We are stuck for now with certain players on our payroll that will be hard to move. We have thrown away a lot of picks and now have a middling prospect pool.

 

[showtime8]

Who on Dallas are you thinking about?
He doesnt help too much right now, but a Riley Tufte could be interesting. Struggled offensively since being drafted but he seems to have become a really solid defensive forward, is 6'5 and skates well for a guy his size. I would assume a + would be coming with him as well.

Raffl + Comeau, with Raffl being a very serviceable bottom line forward. Add him in on the PK. Comeau is already buried, but it's an equalization of salary at this point.

 

[thusk]

We are looking to upgrade our D with a solid dman who is affordable both capwise and costwise. We are not getting any teams' top 2 dmen, except perhaps Zona's because that franchise is a tire fire so not sure why you want to bring up the Hedmans. Foxes, Ekblads, Makars etc. Hell none of our dmen measure up to those.

Given everything including contracts and the cap I'd take Chychrun over Chariot, Hughes (no D), Nurse (overpaid), Jones (overpaid), Weresnski (overpaid), Sergechev, MacAvoy (overpaid), and Chabot (slightly overpaid). Chychrun is a solid dman who brings what our D lacks. Sandin is trending to be a good dman but given Chych's age and ceiling I'd take Chychrun over any of our dmen except for Rielly (maybe).

Upgrade our d yes but not an any price

To win right now, i take muzzin and brodie over chychrun with no hesitation. Its the 1st time in the last 20season we really have a good defensive on defensive side of the puck. Muzzin and brodie are the main reason of that succes with jack campbell.

Rielly will raise of 2.5M campbell will raise at least of 3.5M. We can't afford an other 4.6 M with salary cap situation. We don't have over 11M available. So yes i prefer keep sandin and/ or liljegren at 1 to 1.5M than chychrun at 4.6M.

 

[TML1967]

sounds like Engvall, so, who would he replace Engvall, even though he's not as good as Engvall?

I would think he would bump Joey Anderson down the depth chart, and be a step above Clifford, and is a better skater/defender than Ritchie.

In the current bottom 6, he is more of a replacement for Simmonds if he goes down.

If (big if) he can finally put it together, he could be a Jordan Greenway type on Minny. Big body, skates and forechecks well, right line mates a 40-45ish point guy built for the playoffs.

 

[zeke]

Chychrun is such a fun one because he's such a mystery box.

- he has obvious tools in size, skating, shot/puckhandling which look good when you watch
- he was a high draft pick, but not an elite draft pick
- he has some good stats, some bad stat, some outlier percentages, some not
- everything he has ever done in his career, whether that's eye test or stats, is completely obfuscated by the crap team he plays on....and this could literally work either way - there's ways in which his crap team may have been making him look worse, but also ways in which his crap team may have been making him look better. and that goes for both the eye test and the stats.

The thing is, no matter which way the truth lies, you can bet that there's always going to be at least some teams that take the upside opinion, that he's if not a #1D now then at least one in the making. So whoever wins the bidding war would likely be paying that kind of price for him and gambling that that's exactly what he is.

A real nice test of front offices around the league, if he's available.

 

[Stephen]

Alex Nylander traded to Pittsburgh for Sam Lafferty.

I know this isn't Leafs related but there was some chatter in here about interest in the lesser Nylander a while back. I think he's worth the look as a reclamation project.

Just my feeling but I think you’ll see him here next fall.

 

[mydnyte]

I would think he would bump Joey Anderson down the depth chart, and be a step above Clifford, and is a better skater/defender than Ritchie.

In the current bottom 6, he is more of a replacement for Simmonds if he goes down.

If (big if) he can finally put it together, he could be a Jordan Greenway type on Minny. Big body, skates and forechecks well, right line mates a 40-45ish point guy built for the playoffs.

i dont think he bumps down Anderson ...he has 50+ NHL games vs 5 with zero's across the board except for a -1
Clifford is also not here for his defense, or offense, he's here as a physical 4th liner and based on PIMs he's not physical either.
he'd just be another AHL washout, but, hey, he's tall.

 

[SprDaVE]

Chychrun is such a fun one because he's such a mystery box.

- he has obvious tools in size, skating, shot/puckhandling which look good when you watch
- he was a high draft pick, but not an elite draft pick
- he has some good stats, some bad stat, some outlier percentages, some not
- everything he has ever done in his career, whether that's eye test or stats, is completely obfuscated by the crap team he plays on....and this could literally work either way - there's ways in which his crap team may have been making him look worse, but also ways in which his crap team may have been making him look better. and that goes for both the eye test and the stats.

The thing is, no matter which way the truth lies, you can bet that there's always going to be at least some teams that take the upside opinion, that he's if not a #1D now then at least one in the making. So whoever wins the bidding war would likely be paying that kind of price for him and gambling that that's exactly what he is.

A real nice test of front offices around the league, if he's available.

It's basically what the Hawks did to acquire Seth Jones... right? Took a big gamble and it didn't pay off but it could have easily been a big addition to their team. That contract was a big kicker in the pants of course.

I think the Leafs can upgrade their team without having to blow a major chunk of their future assets on a player. I'm not sold on Chychrun being worth the price of admission.

 

[Stephen]

Chychrun is such a fun one because he's such a mystery box.

- he has obvious tools in size, skating, shot/puckhandling which look good when you watch
- he was a high draft pick, but not an elite draft pick
- he has some good stats, some bad stat, some outlier percentages, some not
- everything he has ever done in his career, whether that's eye test or stats, is completely obfuscated by the crap team he plays on....and this could literally work either way - there's ways in which his crap team may have been making him look worse, but also ways in which his crap team may have been making him look better. and that goes for both the eye test and the stats.

The thing is, no matter which way the truth lies, you can bet that there's always going to be at least some teams that take the upside opinion, that he's if not a #1D now then at least one in the making. So whoever wins the bidding war would likely be paying that kind of price for him and gambling that that's exactly what he is.

A real nice test of front offices around the league, if he's available.

His athletic ability, size, physicality and offensive capabilities have me thinking about guys like Muzzin, and maybe a more modern Bryan McCabe.

From a good defenseman on a bad team difficult to read perspective my mind goes towards Dion Phaneuf. Notice how nobody could ever pinpoint Dion’s standing among defensemen? Was he elite? Was he a high quality defenseman on a bad team? Was he mediocre defenseman with a lot of built in excuses and inexplicable star power?

 

[mydnyte]

Chychrun is such a fun one because he's such a mystery box.

- he has obvious tools in size, skating, shot/puckhandling which look good when you watch
- he was a high draft pick, but not an elite draft pick
- he has some good stats, some bad stat, some outlier percentages, some not
- everything he has ever done in his career, whether that's eye test or stats, is completely obfuscated by the crap team he plays on....and this could literally work either way - there's ways in which his crap team may have been making him look worse, but also ways in which his crap team may have been making him look better. and that goes for both the eye test and the stats.

The thing is, no matter which way the truth lies, you can bet that there's always going to be at least some teams that take the upside opinion, that he's if not a #1D now then at least one in the making. So whoever wins the bidding war would likely be paying that kind of price for him and gambling that that's exactly what he is.

A real nice test of front offices around the league, if he's available.

he was the biggest surprise drop of the 1st round i think, as he was projected top 5 going into draft day and went 16th. ...Lil was projected that high (and as high as 2nd) 2 years before the draft, but fell way before draft day as a comparison and went 17th. though 2016 was a much better and deeper draft. no defensemen taken after Makar is anything special, and most arent even regulars yet
in 2016 picks 13-18 include 5 'good' defenders, and i'd take any of those 5 on the Leafs.

 

[Fogelhund]

@FriedgeHNIC
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10m
Rask/McIntyre clear. Riley Nash (TB) on waivers

Nash has ZERO points, in 27 games since being traded by Columbus.

 

[thusk]

he was the biggest surprise drop of the 1st round i think, as he was projected top 5 going into draft day and went 16th. ...Lil was projected that high (and as high as 2nd) 2 years before the draft, but fell way before draft day as a comparison and went 17th. though 2016 was a much better and deeper draft. no defensemen taken after Makar is anything special, and most arent even regulars yet
in 2016 picks 13-18 include 5 'good' defenders, and i'd take any of those 5 on the Leafs.

He drop because of his attittude like how he react when team canada jr cut him. Some kind of thing that can affraid a lot of team

Chychrun is such a fun one because he's such a mystery box.

- he has obvious tools in size, skating, shot/puckhandling which look good when you watch
- he was a high draft pick, but not an elite draft pick
- he has some good stats, some bad stat, some outlier percentages, some not
- everything he has ever done in his career, whether that's eye test or stats, is completely obfuscated by the crap team he plays on....and this could literally work either way - there's ways in which his crap team may have been making him look worse, but also ways in which his crap team may have been making him look better. and that goes for both the eye test and the stats.

The thing is, no matter which way the truth lies, you can bet that there's always going to be at least some teams that take the upside opinion, that he's if not a #1D now then at least one in the making. So whoever wins the bidding war would likely be paying that kind of price for him and gambling that that's exactly what he is.

A real nice test of front offices around the league, if he's available.

Thats the best comment i heard about chychrun in this topic.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Surprised a bottom end team devoid of centre depth and that has cap space wouldn’t take a flier on Rask

 

[SprDaVE]

Just doing a little stat watching, holy moly has Barrett Hayton not lived up to the hype.

I've been hoping the Leafs could try to snag him away as a reclamation project of some sort. Not sure what it would take.

Plus Dubas knows him well from the Soo days.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Surprised a bottom end team devoid of centre depth and that has cap space wouldn’t take a flier on Rask

4 mill in salary is a lot and Rask has been bad for a long time now. Minnesota will have to pay someone to take the cap if they need it for something this year, otherwise they will just let him expire and Rask will hope for an opportunity somewhere to get back on track.

 

[as Pure as Evil]

so the pens just got alex nylander for a 26year old 4th round pick sam lafferty so i guess the cost was minimal

 

[zeke]

It's basically what the Hawks did to acquire Seth Jones... right? Took a big gamble and it didn't pay off but it could have easily been a big addition to their team. That contract was a big kicker in the pants of course.

I think the Leafs can upgrade their team without having to blow a major chunk of their future assets on a player. I'm not sold on Chychrun being worth the price of admission.

Well I think jones was easier to assess, because Columbus was a solid team so imo it was much easier to judge exactly what he was accomplishing out there, both with the eye test and the numbers. It seemed pretty clear that while he had offensive skill his defense was actually pretty poor, with his size and style fooling people in that department.

With Chychrun its much harder. He could be a really good player sabotaged by an awful team, or he might just be an ok player that looks better than his awful teammates.

 

[zeke]

His athletic ability, size, physicality and offensive capabilities have me thinking about guys like Muzzin, and maybe a more modern Bryan McCabe.

From a good defenseman on a bad team difficult to read perspective my mind goes towards Dion Phaneuf. Notice how nobody could ever pinpoint Dion’s standing among defensemen? Was he elite? Was he a high quality defenseman on a bad team? Was he mediocre defenseman with a lot of built in excuses and inexplicable star power?

Actually I think Dion was much more similar to jones - his team and dcorps was actually pretty good in Calgary. And there were clear signs on both the eye test and the numbers that Dion's defensive play was quite poor, and that his physicality was fooling people in that department.

At least the Leafs got him for a song though! not like Jones. (let's ignore the later extension we signed him to).

But again for me Chychrun is way harder to judge than guys like Dion and Seth were. Probably a better comp is someone like OEL, tbh.

 

[zeke]

he was the biggest surprise drop of the 1st round i think, as he was projected top 5 going into draft day and went 16th. ...Lil was projected that high (and as high as 2nd) 2 years before the draft, but fell way before draft day as a comparison and went 17th. though 2016 was a much better and deeper draft. no defensemen taken after Makar is anything special, and most arent even regulars yet
in 2016 picks 13-18 include 5 'good' defenders, and i'd take any of those 5 on the Leafs.

heh. true. just adds even more to the mystery! why did he drop? did he deserve to?

 

[Kiwi]

I've been hoping the Leafs could try to snag him away as a reclamation project of some sort. Not sure what it would take.

Plus Dubas knows him well from the Soo days.

I've been looking at young centres that could be potential reclamation projects as well and I'm wondering about Sam Steel out of Anaheim

I'd love to put him with Spezza and have him take that kid under his wing