GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IV

[Cor]

Would you guys trade Liljergren in a package if it meant getting Mayfield??



Also, Ottawa isn't trading Zub.

Why are we trading the better, younger player?

 

[jaric1862]

Everything Ottawa does is motivated by saving money, Zub’s AAV is 2.5 but real cash he makes 1.75 this year and 3.25 next year. They would move him if they see a deal they like.

That's not a lot of money. Ottawa's a team that wants to turn the corner, they're not going to trade away a young player on a bargain contract.

 

[zeke]

In an ideal world, the Maple Leafs would add a top-four right-handed defenseman who excels on the defensive side of the puck, but beggars can't be choosers, and Klingberg is by far the best righty that's knowingly available.

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Yeah the elite Leafs with their top-end deep dcorps are in the Choosers category, not the Beggars category.

 

[jaric1862]

If Chiarot's price lowers to say, Dermott and a 2nd, I'd love to have him as a rental.

 

[Shooter2x]

Yeah the elite Leafs with their top-end deep dcorps are in the Choosers category, not the Beggars category.

Pretty sure that's a dig at Holl and not the Leafs as a whole.

 

[thusk]

This sums up klingberg perfectly: 5 trade destinations for John Klingberg

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Toronto's second pairing has been an issue all season. Jake Muzzin appears to have lost a step and can no longer carry Justin Holl, who's been a healthy scratch at times.

In an ideal world, the Maple Leafs would add a top-four right-handed defenseman who excels on the defensive side of the puck, but beggars can't be choosers, and Klingberg is by far the best righty that's knowingly available.

The fit could still work, though. The Maple Leafs prioritize skill and puck possession more than any other team in the league, areas where Klingberg shines. Playing in a system that encourages offensive creativity could help get the most out of the Swede. At times, it's appeared as though he's been shackled playing under Dallas' tight defensive scheme.

The Leafs rank fifth in the league in points percentage and the front office is facing immense pressure to win at least one playoff round, so don't be surprised if they're willing to push all their chips into the middle this season.

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In playoff what it really matter its not how long you keep the puck, its how many time you get the puck back. Klingberg yes will you more possession time but its not what leafs need because he will not get the puck back in your side.

Thats why my main targer is josh Manson. Big physical dmen who will give you the puck back on your side

 

[Shooter2x]

In playoff what it really matter its not how long you keep the puck, its how many time you get the puck back. Klingberg yes will you more possession time but its not what leafs need because he will not get the puck back in your side.

Thats why my main targer is josh Manson. Big physical dmen who will give you the puck back on your side

Yeah they agree with you: In an ideal world, the Maple Leafs would add a top-four right-handed defenseman who excels on the defensive side of the puck

 

[zeke]

Pretty sure that's a dig at Holl and not the Leafs as a whole.

Leafs have 7 good dmen. They're choosers, not beggars.

 

[Shooter2x]

Leafs have 7 good dmen. They're choosers, not beggars.

Write to them and tell them then. I want the second pairing upgraded so don't care about defending irrelevant jabs like that. They clearly dislike Holl as Leafs no.4 and like the majority here understand he needs to be upgraded.

 

[thusk]

Yeah they agree with you: In an ideal world, the Maple Leafs would add a top-four right-handed defenseman who excels on the defensive side of the puck

Manson is a top 4 dman who excel defensive side of the puck

Rielly-Manson
Muzzin-brodie
Sandin-holl

 

[Shooter2x]

Manson is a top 4 dman who excel defensive side of the puck

Rielly-Manson
Muzzin-brodie
Sandin-holl

I'm on board with this given Anaheim actually wants to trade him. I think Holl would be perfect with a reduced role on the third pairing although I'd prefer to go all in Liljegren moving forward.

 

[jaric1862]

Just add Braun and a depth center who can step in to a bottom six role and you're fine.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Manson is a top 4 dman who excel defensive side of the puck

Rielly-Manson
Muzzin-brodie
Sandin-holl

Liljegren plays over Holl

 

[Kiwi]

Zub (likely not gonna get dealt), Mayfield (likely not gonna get dealt) and Braun (not an upgrade on Holl) are the only interesting ones there.

Braun is better than Holl defensively, Holl gets the nod offensively

If we're talking shutdown pair I'm taking Braun over Holl

 

[Clark4Ever]

If Chiarot's price lowers to say, Dermott and a 2nd, I'd love to have him as a rental.

I don't think it's wise to bring in a guy coming from a dumpster fire situation. It takes a while to get used to playing intense hockey in games that matter.

 

[Havoc]

Just add Braun and a depth center who can step in to a bottom six role and you're fine.

Muzzin will decide what we need. If he doesnt return to fan favorite form, I predict a trade for a significant name. Significant as in it won't be up for debate if this new guy is better than Holl. It will just be a fact that he is.

edit- Actually I don't fully agree with what I said here. I think Dubas wants to upgrade Holl regardless with the same definition of significant above....but of course Muzzin pushes his hand even further if he continues to play below his standards.

 

[thusk]

Liljegren plays over Holl

Liljegren will be better than holl for sure and he more balanced but in playoff, i keep holl over liljegren

1-under pressure, he stay really calm.

2- he get a better positionning, thats the reason why he still better defensive side of the puck.

3- he will not try to do too much and play safely, not sure about liljegren

4- on left side its sandin, an offensive minded dman who will take some risk. So get a guy with a stay at home dman attittude with sandin for me is a better fit during playoff to minimize kind of error like he did game #1 against montreal.

 

[IrishInOntario]

Why are we trading the better, younger player?

No. I'd be looking to flip Holl to them, with a couple picks / prospects to bridge the gap. Definitely interested in Mayfield, but not for any deal that involves Liljegren.

To Toronto
Scott Mayfield

To New York
Justin Holl
Filip Kral or Roni Hirvonen
Draft pick

That's the kind of deal I'd be looking to make.

 

[uncleben]

Liljegren will be better than holl for sure and he more balanced but in playoff, i keep holl over liljegren

1-under pressure, he stay really calm.

2- he get a better positionning, thats the reason why he still better defensive side of the puck.

3- he will not try to do too much and play safely, not sure about liljegren

4- on left side its sandin, an offensive minded dman who will take some risk. So get a guy with a stay at home dman attittude with sandin for me is a better fit during playoff to minimize kind of error like he did game #1 against montreal.

Honestly, Holl's decline taken into account, this is partially why I'd rather just pick up an extra D then flip Holl or someone out and exchange a new D. It wouldn't hurt to keep a guy in case of injuries or whatever that, while not great, can at least play some calm hockey as a backup option

 

[IrishInOntario]

To Toronto-
Chychrun
Lyubushkin
Crouse

To Arizona-
Mikheyev
Amirov
Sandin
Holl
1st Round Pick

Bunting- Matthews- Marner
Crouse-Tavares- Nylander
Kerfoot-Kampf-Kase
Engvall-Spezza-Simmonds
Ritchie

Rielly-Brodie
Chychrun-Liljegren
Muzzin-Lyubushkin
Dermott

I like the thought but there is no way that they'll move all three players in the same deal. They probably feel they can get more for them if they trade them individually. I think they'll get a young forward, young defenseman +1 a 1st round pick for Chychrun.

I'd probably start with something like...

To Arizona
Rodion Amirov
Justin Holl
1st round pick

To Toronto
Jacob Chychrun

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

I was pushing Stolarz in the offseason as a cheap backup but he has likely earned a full time spot with Anaheim now. Should we need Mrazek's cap space at the deadline to add an elite piece, a couple guys we could add with decent underlying numbers at the NHL level (self tracking stats) are Charlie Lindgren, and Collin Delia.

It's also been a few years since he's played in the NHL but Andrew Hammond could be an interesting one if we could do a flip of 3rd goalies with Hutch going the other way.

 

[Kiwi]

No. I'd be looking to flip Holl to them, with a couple picks / prospects to bridge the gap. Definitely interested in Mayfield, but not for any deal that involves Liljegren.

To Toronto
Scott Mayfield

To New York
Justin Holl
Filip Kral or Roni Hirvonen
Draft pick

That's the kind of deal I'd be looking to make.

Hell no to dealing Kral

He's the Marlies #1D and has been PPG for the last dozen games and could play for us as early as early next season

 

[TMLAM34]

To Toronto: Jake McCabe + Brandon Hagel
To Chicago: 1st Round Draft Pick, Travis Dermott, Nick Ritchie, Mikhail Abramov


Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Hagel - Kampf - Kase
Mikheyev - Engvall - Simmonds

Rielly - McCabe
Sandin - Brodie
Muzzin - Liljegren

 

[jaric1862]

If everyone stays healthy, the leafs can afford Braun @ 50% at the trade deadline with accrued cap space (not subtract anyone from the roster).

 

[meefer]

This idea coming from a thread in the main boards 'Trades' thread: Edmonton needs help in net and on defense. I'll take my lumps here first

To Edmonton: Semyon at 5M/ for this year and next, and Holl at 2M for this year and next.
To NYI: Barrie at 4.5M (1M retained) for two years after this, Mrazak at 3.8M for two years after this.
To Toronto: Mayfield at 1.45M for this year and next, Koskinen 4.5M (1M retained) expiring this year

*For Edmonton: Cap neutral this year, Barrie's 1M retention the penalty they pay , Semyon is an upgrade on Koskinen, Holl a better defensive presence, at a cheaper price, than Barrie.
*NYI: Mrazak is a small(?) step down from Semyon, but 1.2M cheaper (I don't think NYI wish to commit 9M in goal for the next two seasons). The Isles can't score, Barrie on the PP would help, and with Pulock and Dobson on the right side, a specialty guy like Barrie might not be too much of a liability on the 3rd pair going forward. They have the Cap space.
*Toronto: According to Dom L's models in the Athletic, Holl and Mayfield both hold a 0.4 GSVA (total value in wins) and their contracts' values as to what they should be paid are 0.1M different. Toronto saves 0.85M in Cap hit, and loses Koskinen at the end of the year, freeing up salary for the assumed Campbell re-signing. Funnily enough, Quanthockey credits Holl with 14 more hits than Mayfield, who knew? Capfriendly has us with an anticipated .928M in space at the TDL, an extra .85M today sees our TDL space grow substantially.