GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IV

[ToneDog]

I would assume if Chychrun is here, Muzz is out.

That would be ideal but tough to do IMO.

 

[ToneDog]

1-You can stay with campbell and woll as back up. If campbell get injured, we are in trouble. So if leafs trade mrazek, they need to find an other back up they will need to pay.

2- Will maybe cost more than 5M with both of last 2 season





The post after mine, yeah are closer to what im saying than you. If chychrun is a kind of brodie to become, hes clearly not an elite dman but yes he s a good top 4.

But i will give you trouba exemple you was suppose to be an elite d too. NYR gave pionk and a 1st. A year after pionk was already at the same level or better, they lost a 1st round for absolutly nothing and overpaid trouba at 8M.

If toronto give sandin amirov and a 1st for chychrun and sandin still developping and next season are already at the same level or better than chychrun ( because hes clearly have the potential for it), at the end we just lost amirov and a 1st pick for absolutly nothing. Some time the best move is to don't move

At the beginning of your original response you said he is worse than Chariot and Ghost while the next post said he could win a Norris. How is that closer to your opinion on Chychrun than mine ?? I do agree with the later comparisons in your post though.

 

[ToneDog]

I really think Nick Ritchie will be moved shortly.

Calgary, Rangers are two teams I could see that have the cap space.

Unite the Ritchie brothers !!!

 

[TML1967]

I really think Nick Ritchie will be moved shortly.

Calgary, Rangers are two teams I could see that have the cap space.

Its not going to happen, but I would love to see a guy like Josh Leivo come back who is on the Carolina AHL team right now.

IMO he is better than Ritchie at almost every facet of the game, and is way cheaper. I really wanted us to sign him this summer, as he went for under the burial amount.

I cant see a Ritchie for Leivo trade making sense, but maybe we can move Ritchie somewhere else and grab Leivo for a late round pick?

Who do you think Rangers or Calgary would be happy to move?
I wonder what you would need to add to Ritchie to go after Kravstov...

 

[horner]

I've followed Chychrun since his Junior days, his defensive abilities would be on par with Brodie yes. He's very strong at both ends of the ice, and I firmly believe he would be our best dman when we consider each of the three zones. From an advanced stats view, he's posting positive relative stats while playing the most dzone heavy minutes since his rookie year (similar to Muzzin). It's also a down year for him and he's still doing that, so a buy-low time. From a simple stat view, he hits, blocks and puts more pucks on net than any of our dman. From a scouting view, he has great IQ especially in his own zone, skates great, defends well in transition, plays tough hockey, and can throw up points by effectively moving pucks in the ozone or using his shot. He's also similar in age to liljegren/sandin, while being significantly ahead of them, so yes I would give up one of the two for him. If he played in NY or Boston, everyone would hear much more about him.

This is a 23 year old dman who could seriously win a Norris one day, he's by far the Yotes best player, and a unicorn type of player. Comparably, it'd be like acquiring a young Letang or Weber, someone who will be a top 5 dman, though not #1 (Fox or Makar are ahead).

Thank you

 

[ACC1224]

Its not going to happen, but I would love to see a guy like Josh Leivo come back who is on the Carolina AHL team right now.

IMO he is better than Ritchie at almost every facet of the game, and is way cheaper. I really wanted us to sign him this summer, as he went for under the burial amount.

I cant see a Ritchie for Leivo trade making sense, but maybe we can move Ritchie somewhere else and grab Leivo for a late round pick?

Who do you think Rangers or Calgary would be happy to move?
I wonder what you would need to add to Ritchie to go after Kravstov...

Ritchie and Leivo are nothing alike. If they wanted a Leivo type they would have just went to the bin and grabbed one for league minimum instead of signing Ritchie.

 

[mydnyte]

Chychrun is pretty good both ways guys... he's what people thought Seth Jones was

I remember people saying Provorov was the next big thing too, and he isnt... he's still a solid d-man, but, not elite.
some players 'look' better than they are when in a favorable circumstance, and with low expectations.
Last year Chychrun looked like a stud, and this year, more of a dud. ...bet the low, and hope for the high.

they both came into the league in 15/16, though Provorov was drafted a year earlier.

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Chychrun is a better 'value' but, i'm not sure he's a better player. and based on the rumored asking price, and what i've seen offered in this thread, i'd pass.
I'd kick the tires on Hanifin, as i think he's better defensively, and could be cheaper to acquire.

 

[showtime8]

I really think Nick Ritchie will be moved shortly.

Calgary, Rangers are two teams I could see that have the cap space.

I think that the Leafs could be a good trading partner with the Stars.

Ritchie would be more suited for their style of game and there's probably a guy on that roster that the Leafs could use this season in the bottom 6.

If you want to make it a bigger trade, wait until closer to the deadline and hope that the Stars fall further out of the playoff race and try to get Klingberg.

 

[thusk]

And what if Sandin turns out to be a Gostisbehere level player and Chychrun does become elite? Is losing a guy like Amirov who may never amount to anything more than a depth player and the 1st that's literally a crapshoot, really that bad?

Sandin is already better defensive side than gostibehere...

At the beginning of your original response you said he is worse than Chariot and Ghost while the next post said he could win a Norris. How is that closer to your opinion on Chychrun than mine ?? I do agree with the later comparisons in your post though.

I give you the choice between
Fox
Makar
Hugues
Theodore
Jones
Ekblad
Seider
Dahlin
Mcavoy
Werenski
Heiskanen
Chabot
Sergachev
Nurse
Or chyrchrun

Who do you choose, Chychrun is probably my last choice on that list and if we add every dman

You can add
Hedman, carlsson, josi, rielly, karlsson, letang, toews, hamilton, weagar, slavin, doughty, morrissey, ekholm, parayko, Dumba, Brodin

All of those d right now are better than chychrun ( in my mind)

So i dont know how can we considerate him as an elite dman right now or futur norris winner.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Sandin is already better defensive side than gostibehere...



I give you the choice between
Fox
Makar
Hugues
Theodore
Jones
Ekblad
Seider
Dahlin
Mcavoy
Werenski
Heiskanen
Chabot
Sergachev
Nurse
Or chyrchrun

Who do you choose, Chychrun is probably my last choice on that list and if we add every dman

You can add
Hedman, carlsson, josi, rielly, karlsson, letang, toews, hamilton, weagar, slavin, doughty, morrissey, ekholm, parayko, Dumba, Brodin

All of those d right now are better than chychrun ( in my mind)

So i dont know how can we considerate him as an elite dman right now or futur norris winner.

I think there's a conversation in there with Sergachev (usage/team), Dahlin (potential only goes so far) and Letang (age)...Chychrun doesn't have a ton of support around him...the point stands though...there's a lot of better defenseman out there.

 

[Griffin76]

Sandin is already better defensive side than gostibehere...



I give you the choice between
Fox
Makar
Hugues
Theodore
Jones
Ekblad
Seider
Dahlin
Mcavoy
Werenski
Heiskanen
Chabot
Sergachev
Nurse
Or chyrchrun

Who do you choose, Chychrun is probably my last choice on that list and if we add every dman

You can add
Hedman, carlsson, josi, rielly, karlsson, letang, toews, hamilton, weagar, slavin, doughty, morrissey, ekholm, parayko, Dumba, Brodin

All of those d right now are better than chychrun ( in my mind)

So i dont know how can we considerate him as an elite dman right now or futur norris winner.

You literally just named 31 guys. Chychrun included. There's 32 teams in the league. If Chychrun is the 31st ranked guy then that makes him a #1. Doesn’t it? And honestly I would probably put him as high as 20th.

 

[LeafChief]

Alex Nylander traded to Pittsburgh for Sam Lafferty.

I know this isn't Leafs related but there was some chatter in here about interest in the lesser Nylander a while back. I think he's worth the look as a reclamation project.

 

[ToneDog]

Sandin is already better defensive side than gostibehere...



I give you the choice between
Fox
Makar
Hugues
Theodore
Jones
Ekblad
Seider
Dahlin
Mcavoy
Werenski
Heiskanen
Chabot
Sergachev
Nurse
Or chyrchrun

Who do you choose, Chychrun is probably my last choice on that list and if we add every dman

You can add
Hedman, carlsson, josi, rielly, karlsson, letang, toews, hamilton, weagar, slavin, doughty, morrissey, ekholm, parayko, Dumba, Brodin

All of those d right now are better than chychrun ( in my mind)

So i dont know how can we considerate him as an elite dman right now or futur norris winner.

We are looking to upgrade our D with a solid dman who is affordable both capwise and costwise. We are not getting any teams' top 2 dmen, except perhaps Zona's because that franchise is a tire fire so not sure why you want to bring up the Hedmans. Foxes, Ekblads, Makars etc. Hell none of our dmen measure up to those.

Given everything including contracts and the cap I'd take Chychrun over Chariot, Hughes (no D), Nurse (overpaid), Jones (overpaid), Weresnski (overpaid), Sergechev, MacAvoy (overpaid), and Chabot (slightly overpaid). Chychrun is a solid dman who brings what our D lacks. Sandin is trending to be a good dman but given Chych's age and ceiling I'd take Chychrun over any of our dmen except for Rielly (maybe).

 

[Stigma]

Alex Nylander traded to Pittsburgh for Sam Lafferty.

I know this isn't Leafs related but there was some chatter in here about interest in the lesser Nylander a while back. I think he's worth the look as a reclamation project.

Yes, some of us discussed that.
I'm surprised at how low the cost was for him. I'm surprised we didn't go for it. At least for an AHL reclamation project.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Yes, some of us discussed that.
I'm surprised at how low the cost was for him. I'm surprised we didn't go for it. At least for an AHL reclamation project.

I don't think the Leafs had any Lafferty type guys to throw their way after Engvall and Anderson look like they have more than reclamation value.

I think Malgin and a prospect like Hollowell still would beat out Lafferty in value though. Surprised we could not get a deal done. Lafferty is effectively waiver fodder.

 

[ToneDog]

I think there's a conversation in there with Sergachev (usage/team), Dahlin (potential only goes so far) and Letang (age)...Chychrun doesn't have a ton of support around him...the point stands though...there's a lot of better defenseman out there.

Of course there are many dmen better than Chychrun but we are not acquiring any of them for Sandin+. Most of those dmen will cost you Nylander+ or Marner+ if they are even available or Leafs are even interested. Given it is Zona you got a chance to steal a potential top 3 dman on a sweet deal hopefully under market value. Dubas would be a fool not to entertain the thought or making a pitch for him.

 

[LeafChief]

Yes, some of us discussed that.
I'm surprised at how low the cost was for him. I'm surprised we didn't go for it. At least for an AHL reclamation project.

Me too, to be honest. Lafferty is pretty much nothing. I can't really think of a direct comparable. Engvall is far more valuable. Maybe Seney?

Seney has good AHL numbers this year but I imagine his NHL numbers would look similar to Lafferty.

We can always try for him as a reclamation project in the summer if he is not qualified.

 

[Fogelhund]

Of course there are many dmen better than Chychrun but we are not acquiring any of them for Sandin+. Most of those dmen will cost you Nylander+ or Marner+ if they are even available or Leafs are even interested. Given it is Zona you got a chance to steal a potential top 3 dman on a sweet deal hopefully under market value. Dubas would be a fool not to entertain the thought or making a pitch for him.

Knies
Niemela
Robertson
1st
Ritchie (cap dump)
Holl (cap dump)

I don’t like it. And I hope someone can beat it. But it’s as good a proposal as Toronto could conceivably put together, so I appreciate the effort. Very reasonable offer from a Toronto fan. Better than 90% of your cohorts.

Arizona is asking for an Eichel like return, and Arizona fans even more. There is no chance we can "steal" Chychrun. He's a very good D man, but Arizona is looking for a home run here.

 

[TML1967]

Ritchie and Leivo are nothing alike. If they wanted a Leivo type they would have just went to the bin and grabbed one for league minimum instead of signing Ritchie.

Lievo is a better skater, has a really good shot, and forechecks better.

If you believe Ritchie is a potential top 6 W, I agree they are every different.

IMO Leivo can still be a bottom 6 W/13thF at a 1.75m savings.

 

[Fogelhund]

Me too, to be honest. Lafferty is pretty much nothing. I can't really think of a direct comparable. Engvall is far more valuable. Maybe Seney?

Seney has good AHL numbers this year but I imagine his NHL numbers would look similar to Lafferty.

We can always try for him as a reclamation project in the summer if he is not qualified.

That is our best option. League minimum offer, or AHL deal, like H-S.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Of course there are many dmen better than Chychrun but we are not acquiring any of them for Sandin+. Most of those dmen will cost you Nylander+ or Marner+ if they are even available or Leafs are even interested. Given it is Zona you got a chance to steal a potential top 3 dman on a sweet deal hopefully under market value. Dubas would be a fool not to entertain the thought or making a pitch for him.

I think Chychrun gets a little overrated, he had a really high shooting % last year. He's never been able to stay healthy and the fit really isn't there, Rielly-Muzzin-Sandin seems like the LD for the next couple of years.

Someone said it best when we probably need another Brodie or a more physical option that shouldn't cost the equivalent of 3-4 1sts is Scott Mayfield.

 

[Fogelhund]

Lievo is a better skater, has a really good shot, and forechecks better.

If you believe Ritchie is a potential top 6 W, I agree they are every different.

IMO Leivo can still be a bottom 6 W/13thF at a 1.75m savings.

While what you say is true, they are still nothing alike.

 

[LeafChief]

Just doing a little stat watching, holy moly has Barrett Hayton not lived up to the hype.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Just doing a little stat watching, holy moly has Barrett Hayton not lived up to the hype.

That was Thomas Hickey level reach on draft day.

 

[TML1967]

I think that the Leafs could be a good trading partner with the Stars.

Ritchie would be more suited for their style of game and there's probably a guy on that roster that the Leafs could use this season in the bottom 6.

If you want to make it a bigger trade, wait until closer to the deadline and hope that the Stars fall further out of the playoff race and try to get Klingberg.

Who on Dallas are you thinking about?
He doesnt help too much right now, but a Riley Tufte could be interesting. Struggled offensively since being drafted but he seems to have become a really solid defensive forward, is 6'5 and skates well for a guy his size. I would assume a + would be coming with him as well.