GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART III

[Gallagbi]

I disagree, I think Dermott has offensive upside, he had it in junior and with the Marlies and even in his first call ups with the leafs. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the messaging has been to focus on the defensive side of the puck. In a way I wish they would let Dermott really fly to see exactly what he has to offer but I don’t think the organization has the patience for the turnovers and mistakes that may come with that

Haven't we lived through a few years of mistakes and turnovers in extremely costly situations with him already? Game 6 last year, game 7 v. Bos both jump to mind. Hell, he even game 5 vs. CLB was him blowing an exit causing the GWG.

Also, not sure what offensive role he would play with Mo, Sandin, Lilj, Muzz all ahead of him for PP abilities

 

[thusk]

I disagree, I think Dermott has offensive upside, he had it in junior and with the Marlies and even in his first call ups with the leafs. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the messaging has been to focus on the defensive side of the puck. In a way I wish they would let Dermott really fly to see exactly what he has to offer but I don’t think the organization has the patience for the turnovers and mistakes that may come with that

Produce offensivly in junior or NHL, there is a world of difference. He can bring some kind of offensive, yes but he don't have the level to do it constantly like a rielly or sandin without put your teammate in trouble 75% of the time you try something. He can give you some upside defensive end but enought and he take too much risk/ rush to llayagainst top player on basic daily. No enought good hockey iq to play on pp or enought good playing on pk.

So in my kind, Dermott is in the same category than Victor Mete. A guy who can give you 10-15 min at 5v5 against weaker opposition and thats it. So for that reason, i can't considerate him over than a 6th or 7th dmen in the NHL.

 

[thusk]

Produce offensivly in junior or NHL, there is a world of difference. He can bring some kind of offensive, yes but he don't have the level to do it constantly like a rielly or sandin without put your teammate in trouble 75% of the time you try something. He can give you some upside defensive end but enought and he take too much risk/ rush to llayagainst top player on basic daily. No enought good hockey iq to play on pp or enought good playing on pk.

So in my kind, Dermott is in the same category than Victor Mete. A guy who can give you 10-15 min at 5v5 against weaker opposition and thats it. So for that reason, i can't considerate him over than a 6th or 7th dman in the NHL.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[TMLAM34]

Neal’s probably done in the NHL.

 

[showtime8]

I am of the mind that Ritchie is the kind of player you want in your lineup come playoff time. Even if he's on the 4th line, guys like him, Simmonds, and Clifford are important to pound and wear down the opposing team's defenders..

He still has a role to play here and I still think he's a part of the plan moving forward, even if he is overpaid by $1 million.

I posted this in the Ritchie thread, but you're banking on him playing the next 50 games with some sort of rotation over the remaining part of the season and then ask him to provide some element of physicality and change something up in the playoffs.

I just don't see it. He's almost irrelevant now and they're struggling to find a role for him.

 

[stickty111]

A question for people in the know about this. Leafs are over the cap right now. Whats the rules on this? Are they allowed to play a game when over the cap? If not, then how were we allowed to play yesterday? Leafs would have to make some sort of move by Wednesday?

 

[zeke]

A question for people in the know about this. Leafs are over the cap right now. Whats the rules on this? Are they allowed to play a game when over the cap? If not, then how were we allowed to play yesterday? Leafs would have to make some sort of move by Wednesday?

I believe sandin is on emergency recall.

 

[LeafChief]

I believe sandin is on emergency recall.

I think Biega was too.

 

[123offtheglass]

A question for people in the know about this. Leafs are over the cap right now. Whats the rules on this? Are they allowed to play a game when over the cap? If not, then how were we allowed to play yesterday? Leafs would have to make some sort of move by Wednesday?

Biega & Sandin are being considered 'emergency exemptions' where they aren't currently being counted against the cap, keeping them just under.

I really don't know how long they'll be allowed to keep that up though.

 

[stickty111]

I believe sandin is on emergency recall.

Biega & Sandin are being considered 'emergency exemptions' where they aren't currently being counted against the cap, keeping them just under.

I really don't know how long they'll be allowed to keep that up though.

Oh okay. Thanks.

 

[LeafChief]

Biega & Sandin are being considered 'emergency exemptions' where they aren't currently being counted against the cap, keeping them just under.

I really don't know how long they'll be allowed to keep that up though.

From what I understand, only until the All-Star break. After that, the taxi squad/new rules go away.

 

[zeke]

I think 11 teams are eliminated already:

CBJ
PHI
DET
NJD
NYI
CHI
BUF
SEA
OTT
MTL
ARZ

so we can start looking for trade assets there.

 

[Kurtz]

I think 11 teams are eliminated already:

CBJ
PHI
DET
NJD
NYI
CHI
BUF
SEA
OTT
MTL
ARZ

so we can start looking for trade assets there.

7 out of the 8 playoff teams in the East are set, but NYI still has a tiny glimmer of hope of catching Boston for that 8th spot. I think that old crow Lou will be too stubborn to sell given that he doesn't really care about that team's long-term future.

 

[WTFMAN99]

7 out of the 8 playoff teams in the East are set, but NYI still has a tiny glimmer of hope of catching Boston for that 8th spot. I think that old crow Lou will be too stubborn to sell given that he doesn't really care about that team's long-term future.

It would be a last minute sell job, they're kinda getting back on track after that stupidly long road trip to start.

They need a top 4 LD badly though.

 

[meefer]

I think 11 teams are eliminated already:

CBJ
PHI
DET
NJD
NYI
CHI
BUF
SEA
OTT
MTL
ARZ

so we can start looking for trade assets there.

Unless Vancouver is pulling a St. Louis, I'd be inclined to think they're too far back to make a push for the playoffs, but going 8-1-1 in their last 10 is hard to ignore.

I look at Toronto and I can't help but think that the team is pretty darned good. Based on play this year, I'd only be looking to move: Ritchie, Holl, possibly Muzzin (is he hurt or is he on the decline?), possibly Dermott, possibly Engvall. I'm not sure anything more than incremental upgrades, not homeruns, are needed. If one thinks otherwise, the only two homerun players I see who are potentially available are Giroux and Miller. Giroux would certainly require a third team involved for retention, Miller possibly so. Both would be expensive. Incrementals who might be available: Braun, Zacha, Namestikov, Graves/Gio (if Muzzin is on the decline), Mayfield, Crouse, and a dark horse for me that I'd love to see back on his offside, Connor Brown (one can dream). I hope Muzz has been dealing with an injury that will soon abate, Ritchie please move him, Holl/Dermott an upgrade would help. Btw, the numbers Sandin and Liljegren have put up as the 3rd pair, keep them together, they are doing great.

 

[The Podium]

I like Chychurn but for cap and roster position purposes, he only makes sense if we move Muzzin in a subsequent deal.

We’d be making a pretty lateral move, albeit with potential and roster security moving forward.

Doesn’t upgrade our biggest need right now which is a #4 RHD

 

[stickty111]

I like Chychurn but for cap and roster position purposes, he only makes sense if we move Muzzin in a subsequent deal.

We’d be making a pretty lateral move, albeit with potential and roster security moving forward.

Doesn’t upgrade our biggest need right now which is a #4 RHD

You are probably right. Earl was tweeting that if Leafs handle this correctly, Leafs could have 5 million in cap space by the deadline and could squeeze in Chychurn. My thinking has been if you are getting him, you get him to create a very deep blueline and don't subtract anyone there. If you are swapping Muzzin, then I don't see the point.



Of course they need to trade Ritchie first.

 

[zeke]

You are probably right. Earl was tweeting that if Leafs handle this correctly, Leafs could have 5 million in cap space by the deadline and could squeeze in Chychurn. My thinking has been if you are getting him, you get him to create a very deep blueline and don't subtract anyone there. If you are swapping Muzzin, then I don't see the point.



Of course they need to trade Ritchie first.

Yeah this is why moving Ritchie makes so much sense.

The $1.7m in capspace covers about triple that in incoming caphit at the deadline - which covers a hit like Chychrun's.

 

[SprDaVE]

I've been saying it for awhile, but once Arizona starts their fire sale... they are going to need short-term players to reach the cap floor. Ritchie is the perfect kind of player for them to take back in some sort of trade and flip again in the summer or the next deadline. Holl also fits but he's A LOT more useful for the Leafs so it would have to make a lot of sense, not just a dump like Ritchie.

They are also a team that might be slightly interested in Mrazek but he has a limited NTC, so not sure he'd accept that unless he just wants to play #1 minutes regardless of the team.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I've been saying it for awhile, but once Arizona starts their fire sale... they are going to need short-term players to reach the cap floor. Ritchie is the perfect kind of player for them to take back in some sort of trade and flip again in the summer or the next deadline. Holl also fits but he's A LOT more useful for the Leafs so it would have to make a lot of sense, not just a dump like Ritchie.

They are also a team that might be slightly interested in Mrazek but he has a limited NTC, so not sure he'd accept that unless he just wants to play #1 minutes regardless of the team.

You could add Dermott in there as well. Might have more value than Holl. Dermott is at least younger and controllable beyond next season. And plays the left side.

He probably makes the most sense for Arizona has young, controllable player who is in the NHL now.

 

[BertCorbeau]

As an idea: Ritchie + Dermott + 2022 1st + Robertson for Chychrun

If the Leafs aren't sending Lily or Sandin, Arizona would need a 1st plus a premium prospect.

 

[SprDaVE]

As an idea: Ritchie + Dermott + 2022 1st + Robertson for Chychrun

If the Leafs aren't sending Lily or Sandin, Arizona would need a 1st plus a premium prospect.

That's inline with my absolute maximum to offer for Chychrun. A solid young roster player, a top prospect, a 1st round pick and a minor dump.

This adds 600k of cap space though. While very minor in the grand scheme of things, the Leafs are already penny pinching. We'd need to dump someone else or something.

 

[LeafChief]

Just a friendly reminder that Toronto boy Jack McBain has the option to go UFA in August 2022 if he wishes to do so.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I've been saying it for awhile, but once Arizona starts their fire sale... they are going to need short-term players to reach the cap floor. Ritchie is the perfect kind of player for them to take back in some sort of trade and flip again in the summer or the next deadline. Holl also fits but he's A LOT more useful for the Leafs so it would have to make a lot of sense, not just a dump like Ritchie.

They are also a team that might be slightly interested in Mrazek but he has a limited NTC, so not sure he'd accept that unless he just wants to play #1 minutes regardless of the team.

If Campbell continues to solidify himself as a #1G, I can easily see Dubas working with Mrazek's camp to move him to a team that need goaltending and has some starting opportunities out there. Arizona could be one of them.

That's where I think Campbell's extension dollars will come from for next year and the Leafs will either roll with Woll or have another $1 mill or less backup signed.