GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART II

[Anthrax442]

We'll see where we are in the standings and what not but yeah, definitely in play for the right deal.

The right deal is NOT acquiring another Nick Foligno.

He wasnt healthy, otherwise its pretty apparent that he was the right player in terms of grit and leaderahip and genuinely wanted to win it here

 

[showtime8]

Are people here willing to stomach trading another 1st rounder if necessary

There has to be a trade-off at this point. They can't keep trading 1st for guys like Foligno for a dozen games or a 2nd round pick for Boyle.

If they're going to give up a 1st round pick, make it impactful for the team. If the standings remain the same as they are now and the Leafs end up trading with Vancouver, they would more than likely target Brandon Sutter in a standard year. UFA. Good on the faceoff. Cheaper contract. Instead, they should refocus and pony up the 1st round pick for JT Miller, where they would get 2 potential playoff runs.

The same goes with Seattle and targeting McCann instead of Jarnkrok.

 

[4thline]

The same goes with Seattle and targeting McCann instead of Jarnkrok.

McCann's RFA status doesn't really help us as he'll need a raise we can't afford, but a retained Donskoi could work

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Lawson Crouse maybe?

 

[showtime8]

McCann's RFA status doesn't really help us as he'll need a raise we can't afford, but a retained Donskoi could work

That's the problem that I see is that we're likely to approach the deadline this way, when we should be shooting higher.

If the Leafs need to make tougher decisions in the off-season, I'm okay with that. If they think that McCann is a better fit, then they could trade Kerfoot & Ritchie for picks or prospects.

 

[4thline]

That's the problem that I see is that we're likely to approach the deadline this way, when we should be shooting higher.

If the Leafs need to make tougher decisions in the off-season, I'm okay with that. If they think that McCann is a better fit, then they could trade Kerfoot & Ritchie for picks or prospects.

The problem is that the math doesn't work on that. Sitting one year from UFA If McCann keeps anything close to his scoring rate up and finishes at say 60 points, he's a ~6m extension.

 

[as Pure as Evil]

So if the going price for a koka and dvorak was a 1st plus and seeing how mightily they have struggled and are paid a substantial amount more

Makes you wonder how high kerfoots value is in the league

 

[SprDaVE]

Lawson Crouse maybe?

He's had some awful analytics over the past few years I think. I don't feel like he'd very high on the Leafs radar. But I guess if they liked Ritchie enough... maybe they'd see something we don't.

I do think Crouse needs a fresh start though.

 

[Anthrax442]

There has to be a trade-off at this point. They can't keep trading 1st for guys like Foligno for a dozen games or a 2nd round pick for Boyle.

If they're going to give up a 1st round pick, make it impactful for the team. If the standings remain the same as they are now and the Leafs end up trading with Vancouver, they would more than likely target Brandon Sutter in a standard year. UFA. Good on the faceoff. Cheaper contract. Instead, they should refocus and pony up the 1st round pick for JT Miller, where they would get 2 potential playoff runs.

The same goes with Seattle and targeting McCann instead of Jarnkrok.

Dont believe that we got the cap space to get someone with term.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

If the Stars tank, would anybody be interested in Jamie Benn @50%? They're going to need a retool with an aging roster and he's been on thin ice with the owners before.

 

[Zero1]

If the Stars tank, would anybody be interested in Jamie Benn @50%? They're going to need a retool with an aging roster and he's been on thin ice with the owners before.

No way they will retain almost $5 mill for 3 more seasons and I don’t want to pay Jamie Benn $5 mill for 3 years.

I would love Pavelski at 50% though.

 

[kb]

Yes, in a deal for a player with at least 1 additional year and a cap hit that helps keep the team together (under 2)

As long as it isn't for JT Miller like so many advocate. Miller does not even remotely meet that description. No idea why people keep saying to trade for him.

He's gone next offseason along with ALL the assets traded to get him, which means rebuild time because of one very stupid, shortsighted move.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

No way they will retain almost $5 mill for 3 more seasons and I don’t want to pay Jamie Benn $5 mill for 3 years.

I would love Pavelski at 50% though.

They would actually only be paying him $3.25M in real money each year because of the deal being so front loaded.

He's still effective and shows up big time in the playoffs. Could be our Hornqvist type imo and would gell well with either of our top 2 lines.

 

[4thline]

As long as it isn't for JT Miller like so many advocate. Miller does not even remotely meet that description. No idea why people keep saying to trade for him.

He's gone next offseason along with ALL the assets traded to get him, which means rebuild time because of one very stupid, shortsighted move.

He fits the bill, but only with max retention and/or a third team brought in to eat some cap.

For two years, right asset mix going back, could definitely be worth it

 

[showtime8]

The problem is that the math doesn't work on that. Sitting one year from UFA If McCann keeps anything close to his scoring rate up and finishes at say 60 points, he's a ~6m extension.

At that point, you give him term.

I would be willing to give him 6 years, if it meant giving him a mill or 1.5 less than what he would get on the open market. And even though Kerfoot has really stepped up his game in the last 10 or so, I think McCann is the better fit. He's got the better shot and still gives you the flexibility that the Leafs need if you want to play him on the wing or at centre.

 

[TheShape]

At that point, you give him term.

I would be willing to give him 6 years, if it meant giving him a mill or 1.5 less than what he would get on the open market. And even though Kerfoot has really stepped up his game in the last 10 or so, I think McCann is the better fit. He's got the better shot and still gives you the flexibility that the Leafs need if you want to play him on the wing or at centre.

I didn't agree with it at the time (still don't) , but the Leafs were clearly ok with not protecting McCann and losing him to Seattle. I don't see Dubas turning around and spending assets to then bring the player back.

 

[kb]

He fits the bill, but only with max retention and/or a third team brought in to eat some cap.

For two years, right asset mix going back, could definitely be worth it

No.

What happens when the Leafs empty the asset drawer for LW that they have no hope of resigning after next season, and don't win a cup because they dumped all their assets on said winger?

Absolute stupidity.

 

[showtime8]

I didn't agree with it at the time (still don't) , but the Leafs were clearly ok with not protecting McCann and losing him to Seattle. I don't see Dubas turning around and spending assets to then bring the player back.

Washington didn't protect Vanecek and ended up getting him back.

Maybe it's tougher for a GM to swallow his pride, but McCann makes your team a lot better and worst case scenario, you can trade him in the off-season.

 

[BertCorbeau]

If the Stars tank, would anybody be interested in Jamie Benn @50%? They're going to need a retool with an aging roster and he's been on thin ice with the owners before.

50% is a lot of retention though and the cost at that wouldn't be cheap ..It's a gamble for a power forward that is 32 with a few years left.

Not saying not but I'd have to really think about it relative to the cost. Could be a home run type move but could also be a strikeout.

If the Leafs are interested in moving Holl, Hakanpaa would be a nice target. Signed for 2 more years at a cheaper cap hit and would provide some RHD depth with some missing physicality.

The Leafs were interested in him in the offseason so there may be a fit.

Also Pavelski with retention sounds intriguing but I don't know where he fits in the line up.

 

[Buds17]

Washington didn't protect Vanecek and ended up getting him back.

Maybe it's tougher for a GM to swallow his pride, but McCann makes your team a lot better and worst case scenario, you can trade him in the off-season.

I think goalies are a bit tougher to protect than forwards for expansion draft purposes. Vanecek also became surplus to requirements quite easily for Seattle with the signing of Grubauer. Save for not being able to come to terms on a new contract, I'd guess that Seattle is less inclined to move McCann. The asking price would also figure to be quite a bit more than a 2nd round pick if they were to entertain the thought.

 

[LeafChief]

Something to keep an eye on might be players injured leading up to the trade deadline on teams that are out of it.

May be able to trade and stash a la Riley Nash last year. Not that Nash worked out but the idea itself was brilliant.

 

[Martin Skoula]

No.

What happens when the Leafs empty the asset drawer for LW that they have no hope of resigning after next season, and don't win a cup because they dumped all their assets on said winger?

Absolute stupidity.

If the cost is picks + B prospects it's fine. The overwhelming odds are that every prospect that will play meaningful minutes for us in this cup window has already been drafted. Our system is borderline overfilled with middle-6/bottom-4 pieces and we're unlikely to get top of the lineup prospects that will be ready and outcompeting vets in 2-3 years where we're drafting.

 

[Knies iT]

Thoughts on Nick Paul this summer? Assuming he tests the market.

His lack of point production will keep the dollar figure lower. He's a LW/C hybrid with a disciplined power game. Kampf's contact expires in '23 and Paul could be an interesting long-term solution at 3C while starting next season as a middle six LW. Strikes me as a middle tier UFA Dubas target. Local product.

The centre depth in the pipeline is a bit worrisome both short-term to long-term.

 

[hockeynorth]

Thoughts on Nick Paul this summer? Assuming he tests the market.

His lack of point production will keep the dollar figure lower. He's a LW/C hybrid with a disciplined power game. Kampf's contact expires in '23 and Paul could be an interesting long-term solution at 3C while starting next season as a middle six LW. Strikes me as a middle tier UFA Dubas target. Local product.

The centre depth in the pipeline is a bit worrisome both short-term to long-term.

I’d like him as a winger for Kampf and Kase next year

 

[WTFMAN99]

I've watched the last 3 Arizona games to see what could be possible targets. I was watching Crouse as someone I'd like. Lybushkin because a few guys whose opinions I respect around here think he should be a target. But Dzingel has been really good on both sides of the puck. Small sample size but impressive. I wouldn't be against any of the 3 or any combination of the 3.

Not proposing this as a trade or anything but

In
Crouse
Dzingel
Lybushkin

Out
Ritchie
Engvall/Mikheyev
Holl

Should save cap space too i think.

Lybushkin was someone I liked as an option over Holl.