Who got injured vs St. Louis? - oh Eriksson-Ek and Hartman.
Yeah it was the January 8th game.
Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!
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Yeah it was the January 8th game.
I’d like to see Walker get another shot at playing with Boldy. I think his speed and offensive mindset can open up some things for that line. Gaudreau is fast, but too busy with his defensive duties to add much. If Walker doesn’t make it happen, no biggie. Just feel that Boldy is kind of hanging out in the wind, and shriveling a little.
If Greenway is moved, I think Hartman would be a good fit with JEE and Foligno. So far, I don’t see much chemistry with Boldy.
If Greenway is moved, I think Hartman would be a good fit with JEE and Foligno. So far, I don’t see much chemistry with Boldy.
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You’re twisting what they said. They never once said they “think Addison will be traded.” Russo said they MIGHT trade him IF he wants a huge pay day this offseason.
Joe Smith pretty much shot down that Addison will be moved because they have barely any NHL ready RHD (Faber and…?).
Russo said at the end he has a “sneaking suspicion” they might trade “depending on what he’s commanding.”
If Addison is expecting $5M+, then he should be gone. I think most in here would agree with that. However, he is a RFA and the Wild can essentially dictate where he plays.
In the end, he probably will need to sign a bridge 2 year deal at an amount lower than $4M. I can’t imagine he has a solid argument for getting paid more than that after just one year. Does he even have arbitration rights?
You guys remember that horrible officiating when we played Buffalo? Apparently, Craig Leipold called the league to express how upset he was with the officiating in that game. Sounds like the NHL was pretty pissed about the officiating too. Was the first and only time since Leipold has owned the Wild (2008) that he called the league.
I thought the officiating was worse in that home game vs Dallas... why they let the Stars just rip Kap and Dumba's helmets off without a call is absurd!
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There is zero chance i'd trade addison. He doesn't have Arbitration rights, he either plays here for a reasonable salary or let him sit out the season.
Agreed for the most part. I’d be curious if a team like Buffalo would be in on Addison. They have a lot of quality forward prospects.
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If Gus is really good for the rest of the regular season (and playoffs) and we need that $1M-$1.5M difference between Addison's bridge and an ELC somewhere, then it is what it is.
Trying to find a recent comp for a Gustavsson bridge:
Georgiev got 2 years x 2.98% of the cap after a 3.01 and .910 season.
Casey DeSmith got 2 x 2.18% of the cap after a 2.79 and .914 season.
Nedeljkovic got 2 x 3.68% of the cap after a 1.90 and .932 season.
They all played 25-35 games.
3% of an $83.5M cap would be $2.505M
Swayman, in Boston, is an arbitration eligible RFA goalie this off-season as well. But he's more an official backup to Ullmark than Gustavsson is (or should be) to Fleury right now.
Trying to find a recent comp for a Gustavsson bridge:
Georgiev got 2 years x 2.98% of the cap after a 3.01 and .910 season.
Casey DeSmith got 2 x 2.18% of the cap after a 2.79 and .914 season.
Nedeljkovic got 2 x 3.68% of the cap after a 1.90 and .932 season.
They all played 25-35 games.
3% of an $83.5M cap would be $2.505M
Swayman, in Boston, is an arbitration eligible RFA goalie this off-season as well. But he's more an official backup to Ullmark than Gustavsson is (or should be) to Fleury right now.
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I think you find a way to kee Gus and Addison, and if it means guys like Fleury, Goligoski, maybe even Foligno have to go, so be it. Gotta build around the young talent.
But hey, if you could get a good center prospect or young center equivalent to Addison in a trade for him, maybe you do it. But don't trade him strictly for cap purposes. Move other guys first.
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I'd definitely agree with that if they can work something out with them, but two of those 3 have the full NMCs. Just depends on what they're amenable to. It sounds like Goligoski probably isn't looking for another season like the one he's had so far, so he'd probably be the best bet. Fleury, I'm not so sure. I guess it depends on if they have the stones to tell him that he'd be the official backup or not. Or if it would just be the "we like both goalies" type of stuff.
$2m-$2.75m seems to be the going rate for RFA goalies. I'd like it to be a 2 year bridge deal, but a 1 yr bridge (prove it deal) would be okay for me.
They'll open up around $14m in cap after next season and none of the Foligno, MAF, Goli, Hartman, or Zucc need to be brought back. Nobody else on the roster is due for a big raise.
I thought it was made clear around here that the odds are never 0? If you were offered McDavid for Addison, pretty sure you'd take it, the odds are just very slim... but not 0.
Hartman is still pretty young and useful.
Also everyone was having a cow when I said they should move on from Zuccs so if everyone has their way Zuccs will be back.
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You were talking about trading him this season (in season). This is about re-signing him after his contract is up. Different conversations.
I think the best comp for Gustavsson is Skinner in Edmonton. 3 years, a tad over 2.5.
Addison, I look to Pulock in 2018(cap was 4M less) and Boqvist last year. 2 year bridge should be a hair over 2M.
Greenway, if we were truly serious about forcing a trade now I would've expected a line-up alteration. I think it happens in the off-season. I can't help but look at Buffalo having 3 2nds, maybe a 4th if Johnson refuses to sign, lots of cap space, worse players expiring, and their prospects aren't ready(very solid group though). They should be all over Greenway for one of those 2nds. Maybe the deal extends a little, I could see Masters for a 4th as I can't see Iowa running 6 1st/2nd year AHL d-men next year, and Buffalo could really use a D prospect ready to play pro hockey. Maybe O'Rourke/Hunt for Johnson(refusing to sign) swap so they don't lose the years of progress and we can sign Johnson.
Goligoski, like Greenway, I don't see an in-season deal happening. We've been fortunate with the health of the 6 d-men, we won't be getting a better option as a 7th. I do wish we just kept Kulikov, but it is what it is. If Goligoski just wants to play, how about back to Arizona in the offseason? Dysin Mayo cleared waivers earlier this season and is owed 1.9M total over the 2 seasons after this one but is fully buriable, give them a pick swap for incentive(a 2nd for a 3rd) and they're ahead, getting a better player who might fetch a pick at the deadline and helps them hit the floor.
Hartman's a guy I'm honestly struggling to find a place I like now or next year, and I think Walker could play his role right now. I wouldn't be opposed to moving him now if we could get something that makes sense. Kravtsov? The Rangers could use a right hand shot forward and I can't see Kravtsov re-signing with the Rangers based on his time there. That's a gamble I'd take if it were there.
Addison, I look to Pulock in 2018(cap was 4M less) and Boqvist last year. 2 year bridge should be a hair over 2M.
Greenway, if we were truly serious about forcing a trade now I would've expected a line-up alteration. I think it happens in the off-season. I can't help but look at Buffalo having 3 2nds, maybe a 4th if Johnson refuses to sign, lots of cap space, worse players expiring, and their prospects aren't ready(very solid group though). They should be all over Greenway for one of those 2nds. Maybe the deal extends a little, I could see Masters for a 4th as I can't see Iowa running 6 1st/2nd year AHL d-men next year, and Buffalo could really use a D prospect ready to play pro hockey. Maybe O'Rourke/Hunt for Johnson(refusing to sign) swap so they don't lose the years of progress and we can sign Johnson.
Goligoski, like Greenway, I don't see an in-season deal happening. We've been fortunate with the health of the 6 d-men, we won't be getting a better option as a 7th. I do wish we just kept Kulikov, but it is what it is. If Goligoski just wants to play, how about back to Arizona in the offseason? Dysin Mayo cleared waivers earlier this season and is owed 1.9M total over the 2 seasons after this one but is fully buriable, give them a pick swap for incentive(a 2nd for a 3rd) and they're ahead, getting a better player who might fetch a pick at the deadline and helps them hit the floor.
Hartman's a guy I'm honestly struggling to find a place I like now or next year, and I think Walker could play his role right now. I wouldn't be opposed to moving him now if we could get something that makes sense. Kravtsov? The Rangers could use a right hand shot forward and I can't see Kravtsov re-signing with the Rangers based on his time there. That's a gamble I'd take if it were there.
Kuzmenko for Greenway/Dumba + 2nd.
Mayfield for Greenway/Dumba + Hunt.
West is wide open and we improve dramatically without giving up too much. You know Guerin is going to do something
Zuccarello-Steel-Kaprizov
Kuzmenko-Gaudreau-Boldy
Foligno-JEE-Hartman
Duhaime-Dewar-Reaves
(Shaw, Walker, Rossi)
Middleton - Spurgeon
Brodin - Mayfield
Merrill - Addison
(Faber, Goligoski)
MAF
Gus
(Wallstedt)
Mayfield for Greenway/Dumba + Hunt.
West is wide open and we improve dramatically without giving up too much. You know Guerin is going to do something
Zuccarello-Steel-Kaprizov
Kuzmenko-Gaudreau-Boldy
Foligno-JEE-Hartman
Duhaime-Dewar-Reaves
(Shaw, Walker, Rossi)
Middleton - Spurgeon
Brodin - Mayfield
Merrill - Addison
(Faber, Goligoski)
MAF
Gus
(Wallstedt)
Meh. Hartman will be 30 and is a career bottom-6er. Re-sign him for cheap, sure, but not pay more than he's getting now. He's a depth player that you sign when you're in the middle of a championship window.
Zucc on cheap (relatively) 1 yr deals is fine after his current contract expires. He's not someone I'd commit big money or term to keeping.
I don't dislike either player, I just don't see them being key pieces in 3+ years time.
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Gustavsson is the first priority. Need to figure out what he gets and work from there.
Those who want to see Addison here need to work out how that realistically happens with that deal and what they are going to pay Gaudreau. Sure, clear Dumba and Greenway but there’s not a clear path to more room based on how they’ve handled other players in relation to Addison.
They will miss Addison on the PP, he’s replaceable in all other situations at this point.
Those who want to see Addison here need to work out how that realistically happens with that deal and what they are going to pay Gaudreau. Sure, clear Dumba and Greenway but there’s not a clear path to more room based on how they’ve handled other players in relation to Addison.
They will miss Addison on the PP, he’s replaceable in all other situations at this point.
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And I don't think you get Mayfield at that price. I think you start with a 1st.
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