Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!

[Sota Popinski]

I don’t see how moving both Dumba and Addison this year makes sense. One, sure. Schenn brings more physicality to their defense that they need but I don’t see him being good enough to justify what I think he will cost.

I can see Addison traded though. He’d be a nice piece in a path to actually getting a worthwhile center on this roster.

To me if you trade Greenway, you need to break up JEE from Foligno. You will not recreate that line removing Greenway who drives much of the positive play. Especially with the way Foligno is playing. Get JEE with actual talent.

Since Addison is an RFA, they could just wait until the off-season to trade him. I don't think an unproven Faber or Luke Schenn slot into the top 4 on a contending team, which Guerin is treating this team as.

 

[57special]

If Dumba will only fetch a 2nd, they will keep him, and treat him as a TDL acquisition. If it’s a 2nd and a serviceable Dman….maybe. Trading Addison …. He’d be near the top of my list of who to keep, unless he is fetching a lot, AND he is asking for a lot in contract negotiations. I’d want either a top 12 pick( first 3-4 protected), or a later 1st +, and I wouldn’t be thrilled about the latter. Addison isn’t a good defender, but he can be covered for , and his skating and puck handling is something we need. A team full of guys like Middleton are just too slow and mediocre with the puck… we need a mix of talents. Maybe after next year once ROR, Faber, and Hunt have some seasoning we can think about moving him if his strength and D play don’t improve, but overall, he has a really good rookie year.

Trading him seems to send the wrong message.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Kaprizov - X - Zuccarello
Boldy - Eriksson Ek - Hartman
Duhaime (1.2) - X - Foligno
Shaw (.8) - Dewar - Reaves (1)
13th F (.75)
Parise

Middleton - Spurgeon
Brodin - Faber (elc)
Merrill - Addison (?)
Goligoski
Suter

Fleury
Gustavsson (?)

~$2M average to fill the X's and figure out Addison and Gustavsson and still have ~$500k space left. And this is with a Greenway trade.

If you can maneuver the top 9 so that Rossi and Walker take those X spots, then you can bring both Addison and Gustavsson up to ~$3M each and be fine. If you're thinking that you want Steel and Gaudreau back in those spots, then you either have to really try and squeeze Addison and Gustavsson, or figure something else out.

 

[AKL]

It's really disappointing thay we're even considering trading Addison given we haven't had anyone who can do what he can as well as he does, and we don't have anyone else in our system to replace him either.

It's disappointing that we're paying Middleton and Goligoski about 4.5M combined when they're worth about 55% of that.

It'll be really disappointing if we trade Addison so we can bring back Steel and Gaudreau as top six centers.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Two guesses: contract extension for Addison isn't going well and or Gus is going to command a lot more than they expected.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Russo & Smith just finished a podcast. They think Dumba, Greenway and Addison will be traded. Faber will replace Addison, and then Guerin will go after a guy like Luke Schenn to replace Dumba.

Just finished listening to the podcast. They 100% did not say that Addison will be traded. They speculated that if he’s looking for a huge payday he might be traded. They are expecting Faber or Schenn (if traded for) to replace Dumba’s minutes.

Same old same old with Dumba. Could be moved. Could not. If it makes the team better, he will be traded.

Greenway - they said he’s on the block and don’t be surprised if he’s traded before the TDL. Guerin and Evason were super pissed that he essentially didn’t show up for a game when the Wild had no extra forwards (played 11/7 that night) AND two forwards got injured during that game. Just really put the team in a bad spot. Also talked about his lack of production as well.

 

[AKL]

Just finished listening to the podcast. They 100% did not say that Addison will be traded. They speculated that if he’s looking for a huge payday he might be traded. They are expecting Faber or Schenn (if traded for) to replace Dumba’s minutes.

I should have known Webster of all people was fluffing the story. Not the first time, won't be the last.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Just finished listening to the podcast. They 100% did not say that Addison will be traded. They speculated that if he’s looking for a huge payday he might be traded. They are expecting Faber or Schenn (if traded for) to replace Dumba’s minutes.

Same old same old with Dumba. Could be moved. Could not. If it makes the team better, he will be traded.

Greenway - they said he’s on the block and don’t be surprised if he’s traded before the TDL. Guerin and Evason were super pissed that he essentially didn’t show up for a game when the Wild had no extra forwards (played 11/7 that night) AND two forwards got injured during that game. Just really put the team in a bad spot. Also talked about his lack of production as well.

At this point I'd waive Greenway and hope someone takes his contract. Was not a fan of his and still isn't.

Edit:

What really pisses me off about the Greenway situation is that it was unnecessary for the Wild to sign him back. That 3 million he's making could have helped sign back Fiala (though they had burnt the bridge with Fiala). And now Greenway has pretty much tanked his value because teams talk and they know. I'd trade Greenway to Philadelphia for a song and a dance at this point as Fletcher drafted him. I wouldn't be surprised if Greenway has always had this attitude.

 

[57special]

I would be very surprised if Steel is demanding a lot in negotiations.he has to know that this team, and his place in it( namely, lucking into playing with Kaprizov), has saved his NHL career…the guy was a waiver pickup, ffs. At most, he should be getting 2/4M, with the understanding that after that contract the cap space landscape will open up.

I still seem him as a mediocre 3rd liner. Decent speed, mediocre defensively, next to no physicality, average offensive skills. At the 800K he is making he is an asset, but if I had to choose between him and Dewar( who makes the same), I’d pick Dewar.

I hope Guerin signs Steel at 1.2-1.3M. Anything more let him walk. Gaudreau is a better player, and a more difficult signing. He has played reasonably well, is approaching 30 yo, and is well within his rights to be asking for a significant raise….something like 3 x3M, at least. I hope that Rossi’s play improves enough that it gives Guerin the option to let Gaudreau walk should his demands be too high.

Can either guy be re-signed at any time?

 

[57special]

At this point I'd waive Greenway and hope someone takes his contract. Was not a fan of his and still isn't.

Edit:

What really pisses me off about the Greenway situation is that it was unnecessary for the Wild to sign him back. That 3 million he's making could have helped sign back Fiala (though they had burnt the bridge with Fiala). And now Greenway has pretty much tanked his value because teams talk and they know. I'd trade Greenway to Philadelphia for a song and a dance at this point as Fletcher drafted him. I wouldn't be surprised if Greenway has always had this attitude.

I was a Greenway fan at first, because I thought I saw some passing and offensive ability as well as his overwhelming size and physicality. I thought, with improvements to his skating and overall game, that he would be a really good player as he matured. Instead, he not only hasn’t improved, but seems to have digressed. A game doesn’t go by where he doesn’t fall down 3-4 times… the guy either isn’t working on his skating technique, or is in bad shape. The offense has disappeared. On top of that, he misses games, and what used to be, “ oh, what a character this guy is” seems to have turned into a “ this guy’s character is a problem”.
The phrase, “ plays die on his stick”, tends to apply. Guerin has to be disappointed in his lack of development.

 

[Circulartheory]

My ideal situation is to re-sign Addison at 3x3 and Gustavsson at 2x2.75. Then Shaw and Duhaime at 1-2 year 20% increase deals. Trade Dumba, Greenway. Get rid of Goligoski (waive, trade for future considerations). Re-sign Gaudreau at 2.5mil or Steel at 1.75mil. That should just leave enough room for Rossi to claim a 3rd line spot or sign another Steel like project with around 2.5mil of cap space for injuries/call ups.

EDIT: Wild card is what we might get in return from the Dumba/Greenway trades. Maybe a 25-ish old warm body that might be a decent player.

 

[AKL]

My ideal situation is to re-sign Addison at 3x3 and Gustavsson at 2x2.75. Then Shaw and Duhaime at 1-2 year 20% increase deals. Trade Dumba, Greenway. Get rid of Goligoski (waive, trade for future considerations). Re-sign Gaudreau at 2.5mil or Steel at 1.75mil. That should just leave enough room for Rossi to claim a 3rd line spot or sign another Steel like project with around 2.5mil of cap space for injuries/call ups.

I like this

 

[thestonedkoala]

I was a Greenway fan at first, because I thought I saw some passing and offensive ability as well as his overwhelming size and physicality. I thought, with improvements to his skating and overall game, that he would be a really good player as he matured. Instead, he not only hasn’t improved, but seems to have digressed. A game doesn’t go by where he doesn’t fall down 3-4 times… the guy either isn’t working on his skating technique, or is in bad shape. The offense has disappeared. On top of that, he misses games, and what used to be, “ oh, what a character this guy is” seems to have turned into a “ this guy’s character is a problem”.
The phrase, “ plays die on his stick”, tends to apply. Guerin has to be disappointed in his lack of development.

My concerns were that for a big guy Greenway wasn't an overly physical or engaged player most of the time. His beast mode was insane, but far too often he didn't seem engaged. He played decent enough defense to be useful, but his offense was absolutely horrendous - especially for a player his size. He also seemed - I guess the best word is lazy. I think it was after his second/third season I was really hoping Minnesota would trade him before his value vanished.

 

[Circulartheory]

I like this

It isn't sexy but my mindset about the current state of the team - we aren't going to see the final form until the 2025-2026 season where the dead cap drops, Zuccs/Fleury contracts will be gone, and our top 5 prospect pool starts to finally see its returns. Hopefully that fruit won't be rotten. But until then, I'm content of keeping a competitive playoff team with constant 1st round draft picks.

 

[Prior]

At the end of the day, Greenway is 25, immature, and the play driver on his line most nights with, albeit their best center, but two players who are not going to score at a high level on their own. Trade him at your own peril because a good team is going to put him as a physical third wheel with their best players and his production is going to take off.

There’s no real reason Greenway should need to continue to have to drag Foligno around the ice and if you want to look at moving a forward, it should start with him.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

At this point I'd waive Greenway and hope someone takes his contract. Was not a fan of his and still isn't.

Edit:

What really pisses me off about the Greenway situation is that it was unnecessary for the Wild to sign him back. That 3 million he's making could have helped sign back Fiala (though they had burnt the bridge with Fiala). And now Greenway has pretty much tanked his value because teams talk and they know. I'd trade Greenway to Philadelphia for a song and a dance at this point as Fletcher drafted him. I wouldn't be surprised if Greenway has always had this attitude.

I wouldn't jump to this conclusion so quickly. There are a lot of GMs out there that are still going to see 25 years old and 6'6" and might consider his contract a benefit.

 

[thestonedkoala]

At the end of the day, Greenway is 25, immature, and the play driver on his line most nights with, albeit their best center, but two players who are not going to score at a high level on their own. Trade him at your own peril because a good team is going to put him as a physical third wheel with their best players and his production is going to take off.

There’s no real reason Greenway should need to continue to have to drag Foligno around the ice and if you want to look at moving a forward, it should start with him.

Guerin has made it clear that he wants strong character guys on his team and Greenway simply doesn't fit that. Isn't it interesting that once Greenway got his payday, he pretty much quit? Reminds me a lot of Matt Kalil.

I rather have Greenway take off on another team than have his 3 million and his immaturity on this team.

I wouldn't jump to this conclusion so quickly. There are a lot of GMs out there that are still going to see 25 years old and 6'6" and might consider his contract a benefit.

Fair; though I wish Russo and Guerin didn't run their mouth off so much. They could learn so much from Spielman.

 

[Webster]

Just finished listening to the podcast. They 100% did not say that Addison will be traded. They speculated that if he’s looking for a huge payday he might be traded. They are expecting Faber or Schenn (if traded for) to replace Dumba’s minutes.

Stop twisting my posts. I didn't say they will trade Addison, I said Russo THINKS they will trade him. And you failed to mention something else Russo said, which is important, he has picked up info on this. It's not just speculation.

 

[Circulartheory]

I wouldn't jump to this conclusion so quickly. There are a lot of GMs out there that are still going to see 25 years old and 6'6" and might consider his contract a benefit.

Agreed with that. There is still going to be interest in a 6'6 winger with a still digestible 3mil cap hit at 25 years old. Its a give-and-take, his value goes down bc teams know we want to trade him. So in the end, I think he should still be able to pull out a 2nd round pick value (in either a pick or equal value in a player/prospect).

 

[thestonedkoala]

BTW Guerin has to be pissed with Greenway and his attitude this season; he chewed out Greenway two seasons ago for the same damn thing. Needs to get in shape and have a stronger work ethic. Greenway went the opposite.

 

[57special]

Stating the obvious here, but Greenway, Steel, Gaudreau, etc….none of these contracts would be a problem if we didn’t have th cap penalties, which the league has so unfairly given us.

Steel is worth 2 M if his play keeps up, Gaudreau is worth 3M,3M isn’t bad for Greenway, etc….just not on this team. We have to be getting by on the Dewar, Shaw, hopefully Rossi, Hunt, Faber, Walker, type contracts because of our cap situation.

 

[thestonedkoala]

I think I figured out the game; it was against Chicago in October.

 

[turkulad]

What’s the plus?

I'd be open to offers. Dumba and futures are the pieces of interest for me/us.

 

[TaLoN]

Stop twisting my posts. I didn't say they will trade Addison, I said Russo THINKS they will trade him. And you failed to mention something else Russo said, which is important, he has picked up info on this. It's not just speculation.

Isn't it more like... Russo thinks they'll trade Addison IF he asks for a big payday? That's a far cry from just thinking he'll be traded because something to do with $. Russo obviously doesn't yet know if money will be an issue since he included that big IF.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I think I figured out the game; it was against Chicago in October.

It was more recent. Greenway didn't even play until 10/20 due to injury, played 3 minutes in that game and got hurt again, and didn't play again until 11/8.

Pretty sure it was the St. Louis game on January 8th.

Edit: yep. 11 forwards in the lineup (no Greenway) and lost 3-0 at home.