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DeagleJenkins

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They have some guys on IR that might (?) be able to be LTIRed to get them the breathing room for a bit. They also have some midrange contract that they could dump somewhere before taking chump change for their "C".on Horvat.
Indeed they do, Garland has been shopped around or at least by fans as an option. Horvat does not need to be the first person they try to trade I am just wishful thinking and overplaying the possible tension from contract negotiations as he fits a clear need for us.
 

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1st year of cap hell, yet 5.7 million available?

I'd grouse about Fiala, but I kind of like the return on the trade.
 
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1st year of cap hell, yet 5.7 million available?

I'd grouse about Fiala, but I kind of like the return on the trade.

That is a somewhat bloated number. It is with a only 20 man roster, and 2 of those players are out the first 5-10 games. MN could add 5 players, with Greenway and Merrill on IR, and eat up ~$4m of that space to have a 23 man roster to start the season.
 

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I still think Horvat would be a nice fit and he might be a 3C cap casualty similar to Kadri.

I’d offer Dumba (50%) + O’Rourke/Hunt

Kap-Horvat-Zucc
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Jost

Brodin-Spurgeon
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I still think Horvat would be a nice fit and he might be a 3C cap casualty similar to Kadri.

I’d offer Dumba (50%) + O’Rourke/Hunt

Kap-Horvat-Zucc
Boldy-Rossi-Hartman
GREEF
Dewar-Gaudreau-Duhaime
Steel
Jost

Brodin-Spurgeon
Middleton-Goligoski
Merrill-Addison
Sustr

MAF
Gus
You'd almost have to send a forward back.
 

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I still think Horvat would be a nice fit and he might be a 3C cap casualty similar to Kadri.

I’d offer Dumba (50%) + O’Rourke/Hunt

Kap-Horvat-Zucc
Boldy-Rossi-Hartman
GREEF
Dewar-Gaudreau-Duhaime
Steel
Jost

Brodin-Spurgeon
Middleton-Goligoski
Merrill-Addison
Sustr

MAF
Gus
Do that or we can take on Ferland who they are shopping around. might not cost us a prospect then and retention could be less.
 

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Horvat is a 2c offensively with mediocre defensive abilities. He is like a Koivu who can't play defense. We already have a 2c that is a great defensive player, Hartman playing like a borderline #1C, and Rossi ready for primetime. Oh, and Hartman and JEE's cap hit together will cost about the same as Horvat's new deal, which will start in 23-24.

I can't imagine a more short sighted trade.

Trade Dumba for futures, let CO be king of the hill for next couple of years till injury and bloated contracts drag them down, then unleash the hounds in 25-26. Adding Horvat minus Dumba now will not make a significant difference to the team, especially once you factor in what his new cap will co to our cap situation.
 

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Horvat is a 2c offensively with mediocre defensive abilities. He is like a Koivu who can't play defense. We already have a 2c that is a great defensive player, Hartman playing like a borderline #1C, and Rossi ready for primetime. Oh, and Hartman and JEE's cap hit together will cost about the same as Horvat's new deal, which will start in 23-24.

I can't imagine a more short sighted trade.

Trade Dumba for futures, let CO be king of the hill for next couple of years till injury and bloated contracts drag them down, then unleash the hounds in 25-26. Adding Horvat minus Dumba now will not make a significant difference to the team, especially once you factor in what his new cap will co to our cap situation.
Yeah, adding a top 6 center is just the absolute worst. Adding one that just scored 31 goals? Even worse. He won 57% of his draws? Sorry, we only like guys who win sub 50% of the time and only focus on defense.

Let’s just piss away the years Kap is here. It‘s the Minnesota way.
 
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Horvat is a 2c offensively with mediocre defensive abilities. He is like a Koivu who can't play defense. We already have a 2c that is a great defensive player, Hartman playing like a borderline #1C, and Rossi ready for primetime. Oh, and Hartman and JEE's cap hit together will cost about the same as Horvat's new deal, which will start in 23-24.

I can't imagine a more short sighted trade.

Trade Dumba for futures, let CO be king of the hill for next couple of years till injury and bloated contracts drag them down, then unleash the hounds in 25-26. Adding Horvat minus Dumba now will not make a significant difference to the team, especially once you factor in what his new cap will co to our cap situation.
If Kap can turn Hartman into a bordline 1C, he could turn Horvat into a 1C. 6.950 might be slightly under what Horvat would make but Hartman is only at 1.7m for one more year, is he going to take another discount to stick around?

If Rossi pans out how we hope and becomes a quality offensive talent then having actual depth at C will be a huge win. Rossi/Horvat top 6, Ek in the prototypical 3C shutdown role with a cap hit that could become a steal if the rumored cap increase does indeed happen. I dont think its nearly as short sighted as you make it out to be. Also allows us to slide a RHS into the RW position who can play 4th line or higher which he has proven and then we dont have to resign Freddy(who i dont hate for his cap hit).

C depth is a huge need for us, this board has spoken before about how we dont have it. many dont trust Kushnutdinov to be a C in the NHL. who else is there if Rossi doesnt prove he is that high end C?
 

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If Kap can turn Hartman into a bordline 1C, he could turn Horvat into a 1C. 6.950 might be slightly under what Horvat would make but Hartman is only at 1.7m for one more year, is he going to take another discount to stick around?

If Rossi pans out how we hope and becomes a quality offensive talent then having actual depth at C will be a huge win. Rossi/Horvat top 6, Ek in the prototypical 3C shutdown role with a cap hit that could become a steal if the rumored cap increase does indeed happen. I dont think its nearly as short sighted as you make it out to be. Also allows us to slide a RHS into the RW position who can play 4th line or higher which he has proven and then we dont have to resign Freddy(who i dont hate for his cap hit).

C depth is a huge need for us, this board has spoken before about how we dont have it. many dont trust Kushnutdinov to be a C in the NHL. who else is there if Rossi doesnt prove he is that high end C?
Hell, this past playoffs showed how important winning a faceoff can be. ROR singlehandedly negated 30-40 seconds of our PP time just by winning the draw.
 
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Hell, this past playoffs showed how important winning a faceoff can be. ROR singlehandedly negated 30-40 seconds of our PP time just by winning the draw.
its not the end all be all but it sure as hell would help our team to have at least one player who can win 51% or more of the draws consistently. Especially on the PP
 
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If Kap can turn Hartman into a bordline 1C, he could turn Horvat into a 1C. 6.950 might be slightly under what Horvat would make but Hartman is only at 1.7m for one more year, is he going to take another discount to stick around?

If Rossi pans out how we hope and becomes a quality offensive talent then having actual depth at C will be a huge win. Rossi/Horvat top 6, Ek in the prototypical 3C shutdown role with a cap hit that could become a steal if the rumored cap increase does indeed happen. I dont think its nearly as short sighted as you make it out to be. Also allows us to slide a RHS into the RW position who can play 4th line or higher which he has proven and then we dont have to resign Freddy(who i dont hate for his cap hit).

C depth is a huge need for us, this board has spoken before about how we dont have it. many dont trust Kushnutdinov to be a C in the NHL. who else is there if Rossi doesnt prove he is that high end C?
two more years.

I'm all for getting an elite C. Horvat is not that. By re-upping him at age 28, we will be paying for his declining years.

Let's keep our powder dry for someone better. Paying 7M/yr for a depth C is not the way to go.
 

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two more years.

I'm all for getting an elite C. Horvat is not that. By re-upping him at age 28, we will be paying for his declining years.

Let's keep our powder dry for someone better. Paying 7M/yr for a depth C is not the way to go.
You don’t need to necessarily re-sign him, we are unlikely to sign Dumba, this is just changing a self rental from D to C. Dumba’s value in pure futures is really not much, Horvat is a win now piece that could push us to the next level for this season.
 

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two more years.

I'm all for getting an elite C. Horvat is not that. By re-upping him at age 28, we will be paying for his declining years.

Let's keep our powder dry for someone better. Paying 7M/yr for a depth C is not the way to go.
I wasnt including this season but yes two years technically which still brings a contract question into hand. signing Horvat to a 6 year deal isnt exactly signing his decline. 28 is not over the hill and it is still a good age to get solid play from him, in 2 years who will be our Centers? Rossi, Ek, maybe dewar? Will Kush play C here? there is not a lot in the cupboard. Horvat at 7(?) and Ek at 5.25 locked up for several years is a win in my books considering its been all but beaten to death that our only way to a quality 1C is through the draft which, again beaten to death, we wont be drafting top 10 without trading away Kap or having severe injury misfortune. Without drafting a 1C, if Rossi does not become what we hope he is what is the plan? Horvat/Ek as the fall back is pretty solid in my book and if Rossi gets anywhere near 60 points on average those 3 as our depth is a win.
 
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You don’t need to necessarily re-sign him, we are unlikely to sign Dumba, this is just changing a self rental from D to C. Dumba’s value in pure futures is really not much, Horvat is a win now piece that could push us to the next level for this season.
If there isn't an extension to be had, just offer Dumba for Horvat straight up.
 

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You don’t need to necessarily re-sign him, we are unlikely to sign Dumba, this is just changing a self rental from D to C. Dumba’s value in pure futures is really not much, Horvat is a win now piece that could push us to the next level for this season.
Oh, ok. I happen to think that Dumba is just as valuable to this team, if not more, than Horvat, especially if we are talking just this year.

In other words, it would be one step forward, one step back, and we would be blocking Rossi's development to boot.
 

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Oh, ok. I happen to think that Dumba is just as valuable to this team, if not more, than Horvat, especially if we are talking just this year.

In other words, it would be one step forward, one step back, and we would be blocking Rossi's development to boot.
I would be bumping Hartman down in this scenario and roll Boldy-Rossi-Hartman. I think that would be a pretty awesome line with Hartman helping them break in on face offs and defensive play if needed while being the shooter on the line. I don’t necessarily see Horvat as an upgrade on Hartman but he fills some of the same niches as a shooting center-men but with better face off ability.
 
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