Proposal: Toronto - San Jose

[Hockey 4 Life]

Toronto needs a top 6 power winger and some extra production in their bottom 6. Sharks are I assume rebuilding and looking for assets.



To

Sharks

2023 1st

2024 1st

2024 2nd

Engvall

Kerfoot



To

Leafs

Meier 50% retained


This trade gives the Sharks a lot of good assets and fills a major hole for the Leafs.
Trade has been edited to remove muzzin, Robertson and Kunin and added engvall

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[Fogelhund]

Toronto needs a top 6 power winger and some extra production in their bottom 6. Sharks are I assume rebuilding and looking for assets.

To
Sharks
2023 1st
2024 1st
Robertson
2024 2nd
Muzzin
Kerfoot

To
Leafs
Meier 50% retained
Kunin

This trade gives the Sharks a lot of good assets and fills two holes for the Leafs.

Why Kunin?

Why do we need to move Muzzin?

So basically three firsts, and a second? Seems pricey.

How do we afford Meier's extension?

 

[AvroArrow]

Timo Meier is a beast, but that's a LOT for a guy we can't afford to re-sign. He either gets traded or offer-sheeted in the summer. I don't think I wanna give up Robertson and 2 firsts for 1 season of Meier.

 

[WTFetus]

I'd say the Sharks take this pretty easily.

 

[Gecklund]

I like the two firsts but the rest of the package is pretty meh. Value wise it’s pretty fair but very quantity vs quality.

Now with that said, this doesn’t really make sense for TOR.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Timo Meier is a beast, but that's a LOT for a guy we can't afford to re-sign. He either gets traded or offer-sheeted in the summer. I don't think I wanna give up Robertson and 2 firsts for 1 season of Meier.

I mean if he gets offer sheeted that's either a 1st 2nd 3rd or 2 1sts 2nd 3rd from a team with likely higher picks than us. Anything below that compensation range we could feasibly re-sign with some cap magic.

Kerfoot + Holl + Engvall is over 7 mil in space with the 1st + 2nd + 3rd compensation floor at 6.5 mil roughly. Main problem is his QO was grandfathered in under the old rules and is still going to be 10x1. Guess it depends if his agent is going to push for QO + gamble on UFA next year or if he's willing to take an 8x8 for security on a contender. 8 would be tight but if we can move a Jarnkrok on top of letting the UFAs walk + replacing them with Marlies it could probably work with the cap rising a few mil. Main squeeze would be re-upping Sandin and Liljegren and budgeting for Matthews and Nylander raises. Then again, a top line PWF takes a bit of the sting off Nylander walking if his agent insists on big game hunting in UFA. Someone's going to offer him 9+, maybe 10 if he keeps improving and the cap rises.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Why Kunin?

Why do we need to move Muzzin?

So basically three firsts, and a second? Seems pricey.

How do we afford Meier's extension?

Robertson was a 2nd rounder

 

[HockeyVirus]

I like the two firsts but the rest of the package is pretty meh. Value wise it’s pretty fair but very quantity vs quality.

Now with that said, this doesn’t really make sense for TOR.

I mean the Sharks should take this and run. Robertson is not meh he is 21 years old and too good for the AHL but hasn't gotten the leash to play with the Leafs because of where they are at and his inexperience defensively.

Half of it doesn't make sense though. Muzzin is on LTIRetirement and we would rather keep him tbh (he still hangs around the team and is part of the leadership group). Kerfoot I am ok losing but I don't think the Leafs view him as a cap dump.

So this is basically 2 firsts and a top prospect for a rental. Garbage value for the Leafs who can't afford to pay another winger 8M or whatever he will get. But I would love to add him

 

[Hodge]

I like the two firsts but the rest of the package is pretty meh. Value wise it’s pretty fair but very quantity vs quality.

Now with that said, this doesn’t really make sense for TOR.

You know the Leafs are being taken to the cleaners here when even the biggest Sharks homer on this forum admits the trade is fair value.

Remove Robertson and the Sharks still gladly accept. I don’t think Muzzin would waive his NTC however unless his career is done and this is just an LTIRetirement situation.

 

[I am Canadian]

Meier is basically going to be a rental at this point with a 10M QO. Can't see a playoff team trading for him with the expectation that they will sign him.

Maybe Seattle?

 

[Gecklund]

I mean the Sharks should take this and run. Robertson is not meh he is 21 years old and too good for the AHL but hasn't gotten the leash to play with the Leafs because of where they are at and his inexperience defensively.

Half of it doesn't make sense though. Muzzin is on LTIRetirement and we would rather keep him tbh (he still hangs around the team and is part of the leadership group). Kerfoot I am ok losing but I don't think the Leafs view him as a cap dump.

So this is basically 2 firsts and a top prospect for a rental. Garbage value for the Leafs who can't afford to pay another winger 8M or whatever he will get. But I would love to add him

Robertson is exactly what we have. Small offensive winger.

Kunin=Kerfoot but cheaper (can’t play C either but close enough) except Kerfoot has no value to us.

The 2nd has more value to us than Robertson. Not an insult to him we just already have guys like him.

Like I said it makes no sense for the leafs but it’s also not great for SJ. With Timo that first is 28-32 this year and don’t know about next year would have to see what moves happen but still likely late.

 

[kevsh]

Love to have Meier as a rental (extension doesn't seem realistic), but that's too steep.
A better deal for SJ may be found with a team that he'll sign with?

 

[themelkman]

With these changes I would say no. We wont treat him like a rental unless its the only option and im sure someone will want him long term. Eggman and Kerfoot are cap dumps

 

[Irie]

Meier is basically going to be a rental at this point with a 10M QO. Can't see a playoff team trading for him with the expectation that they will sign him.

Maybe Seattle?

Seattle is at the cap and has Eberle, Burakovsky, Bjorkstrand, McCann, and Schwartz on the wings signed beyond this season. Plus they have Sprong who has been really good filling a role for pp scoring (14pts in 18games with 10 minutes of ice time.)

Meier would be an upgrade, but likely not an upgrade they can afford and doesn't address their biggest need.

 

[BlueBaron]

I love the player but I see no reality we do this.A Gm with no contract trading all those picks would be beyond concerning.

Dubas is about 90% staying with us so doubtful he wants no future assets to work with. Starting every draft in the third for a couple years creates serious future problems.

 

[The Podium]

Robertson was a 2nd rounder

Oh right, players values never exceed their draft position

 

[Groo]

That's an easy pass by the Sharks

 

[EK392000]

Given the Leafs cap, they won’t be able to re-sign Meier, which effectively makes him a rental. Two firsts and a second for a rental is too much.

 

[DG93]

Yeah, I'd easily take this...not a good trade for Toronto even if Meier is an absolute beast and a very good first line winger.

 

[leafsfan5]

That's too much, though I do hope Toronto is in on Meier. He's the perfect player we're looking for tbh

Just deal his rights in the summer and get back some of what we give up in the first place

 

[Stephen]

I like the two firsts but the rest of the package is pretty meh. Value wise it’s pretty fair but very quantity vs quality.

Now with that said, this doesn’t really make sense for TOR.

I agree with you that the deal doesn't make that much sense, but if there's a Meier deal to be had, I can't imagine there would be too much more of a premium on top of the 2x firsts as the foundation of the deal.

 

[Djp]

How can toronto even afford to sign him next year?

why not just work out a deal to trade Matthews……thrn you might have the cap space.

 

[Funk21]

While the TML could surely use a player of Meier’s ilk he will be roughly getting 7.5-8 I would think on his next contract. With both Matthews and Nylander both being needed to extended it means our forward group will be pushing close to 50 million.

Unless Bettman tells them the cap is going up 10 million next year I don’t see how this is possible. Furthermore your talking about 2x1st, a second and players who has some draft capital and can be flipped. That is an awful lot.

On NHL 23 for my PlayStation sure but not in the real world.

 

[Gecklund]

I agree with you that the deal doesn't make that much sense, but if there's a Meier deal to be had, I can't imagine there would be too much more of a premium on top of the 2x firsts as the foundation of the deal.

Yes and no. The firsts are really the only thing of value to us. The biggest thing is that those are both likely late. I’d prefer one earlier first and a prospect instead of picks that are past 27ish. Timo is an elite first liner.

 

[Drytoast]

What's with these trade threads with Toronto? We don't "need" anything right now. And certainly not a forward at that. If anything we need a replacement for Muzzin who's likely now retired but even then we don't "need" to replace him because I think Benn might fill his role.

Pick another team. One that is actually currently in need. Like Calgary or Edmonton.