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HamiltonNHL said:
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It's not "odd". It's a reality. Power plays win playoff series.

Overall, i don't care about Marner in PP1. My priority is having Nylander on PP1. I strongly oppose Marner on PP1 over Nylander.
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The bolded is so true and every Leaf fan should be painfully aware of this. I wouldn't expect Keefe to do anything but stick up for his players publicly but the whole situation with Marner in the PP is a concern at this point. Is Keefe more worried about not hurting Marner's feelings than he is about winning games? Not saying that's what's happening but I can understand why some people are wondering about this. Luckily the PP is going good so far, not sure at what point it stopped working last season but if it happens again, I hope Keefe is ready to make changes quickly.

Totally agree with Nylander over Marner at this point.

ToneDog said:
No worries, pretty sure if Marner hasn't scored a PP this time next year, Keefe will be concerned. :sarcasm:
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LOL.
 
Gary Nylund said:
The bolded is so true and every Leaf fan should be painfully aware of this. I wouldn't expect Keefe to do anything but stick up for his players publicly but the whole situation with Marner in the PP is a concern at this point. Is Keefe more worried about not hurting Marner's feelings than he is about winning games? Not saying that's what's happening but I can understand why some people are wondering about this. Luckily the PP is going good so far, not sure at what point it stopped working last season but if it happens again, I hope Keefe is ready to make changes quickly.

Totally agree with Nylander over Marner at this point.



LOL.
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On another board people were insisting you can't take him off the PP because of his salary. Optics
 
HamiltonNHL said:
This is a bad look on Keefe.
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No, it's the look he should have. The bad look is Toronto media harping on it every time Toronto has a PP.
Marner should give up his power play position to someone else who will be more productive.
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That's pretty hard to do since Marner is a top-10 PP producer since he entered the league, and nobody above him is on the Leafs.
he's a clear drag on the power play as a whole.
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Except he's not at all.
One fancy pass last night doesn't make up for it.
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He's so bad if we ignore all the good things he does! :eyeroll:
Overall, i don't care about Marner in PP1.
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Seems you do, since you bumped this thread with an angry post directed at Marner, despite him playing a huge role in the clutch PP goal we scored last night to tie the game in the 3rd.
My priority is having Nylander on PP1.
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In case you weren't aware, they're both on PP1...
 
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Pp looking much more interesting lately. Great to see. Keep em guessing.
 
leaffaninvancouver said:
Marner looked great setting up Matthews on the power play, he also looked great stealing the puck and sniping it.

It’s a weird stat not scoring a power play goal, but does it really matter?
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it doesn't, but people need something to be angry about. It's really more about the salary. The leafs power play isn't designed for Marner to shoot or score so I'm not sure why everyone is so surprised that he has no PP goals in so long.
 
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francis246 said:
it doesn't, but people need something to be angry about. It's really more about the salary. The leafs power play isn't designed for Marner to shoot or score so I'm not sure why everyone is so surprised that he has no PP goals in so long.
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It’s really a “more about the messenger than the message” here. It’s also so transparently obvious.

You know what else is just as important in the playoffs? It’s call a penalty kill and he’s our best forward there as well. It’s funny we spend zero time discussing an equally important special team, one that he happens to excel at.
 
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DarkKnight said:
It’s really a “more about the messenger than the message” here. It’s also so transparently obvious.

You know what else is just as important in the playoffs? It’s call a penalty kill and he’s our best forward there as well. It’s funny we spend zero time discussing an equally important special team, one that he happens to excel at.
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Not to mention a bad PK has burned us in the post season more than a bad Power play has.
 
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I like the stacked PP he just needs to play the right spot in it. Half wall is not his ideal spot. Behind the net is. If they can utilize his vision to make quick high low plays that crate slot opportunities for JT and AM that’s a great spot for him to excel, not necessarily score goals from tho, but that’s not what they pay him for. He makes the big bucks to create opportunities for others which he did really well last night and was a welcomed addition to the line up.
 
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Jimmy Firecracker said:
After that hot streak without Marner, the three games we just had without him saw the #1 unit not score a single PP goal. His first game back they get one with him.

So it seems like the PPs success without him was simply a fluke.
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To be fair it's the usage of Marner that was being criticized, not necessarily Marner himself.

Last nights goal supports what everyone has been saying -- take Marner off PP1 half wall.
 
Havoc said:
To be fair it's the usage of Marner that was being criticized, not necessarily Marner himself.

Last nights goal supports what everyone has been saying -- take Marner off PP1 half wall.
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Yes. "Take Marner off PP1" is fueled by them remaining static. This promotes the chants to take him off PP1 entirely and put him on PP2, because his skillset is no use to us the way they're using him.

If they're willing to get off their ass for once and actually cook up some new plays that favors Marners skillset instead of exposing his deficiencies, it would be idiotic to take Marner off PP1. He's one of the best in the game when his skillset is able to shine.
 
Jimmy Firecracker said:
After that hot streak without Marner, the three games we just had without him saw the #1 unit not score a single PP goal. His first game back they get one with him.

So it seems like the PPs success without him was simply a fluke.
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All these narratives based on small sample sizes are a joke.
 
Jimmy Firecracker said:
After that hot streak without Marner, the three games we just had without him saw the #1 unit not score a single PP goal. His first game back they get one with him.

So it seems like the PPs success without him was simply a fluke.
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The powerplay going cold for 3 months last year is a fluke, but PP1 not scoring for 3 games without Marner after a 3 weeks of no games and the entire team getting COVID is proof that we need Marner on PP1 no matter what because they scored once when he came back.
 
Martin Skoula said:
The powerplay going cold for 3 months last year is a fluke, but PP1 not scoring for 3 games without Marner after a 3 weeks of no games and the entire team getting COVID is proof that we need Marner on PP1 no matter what because they scored once when he came back.
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First, who said anything about last season? The "fluke" I was referring to is what's referenced in the title of this thread, the 11 powerplay goals in 6 games when Mitch was injured. It was an unsustainable hot streak that just happened to coincide with his injury.

Second, the powerplay this season before Mitch was injured was performing just fine with him. It was clicking at 23.4 percent in 24 games, good for 8th in the league and he was second on the team in powerplay points with 7 (Nylander lead with 8, Marner and Matthews tied with 7, then Tavares and Rielly tied for third with 5).

The sample size of PP1 performing well with Mitch this season is larger and more indicative of his and the units play than the 6 game hot streak where he was injured.
 
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