Toronto has scored 11PPGs since Marner injury

[Racer88]

Using that logic, everybody on our top unit is "easily replaceable" - a statement which is clearly silly.

If there was anything to conclude from our small sample PP results from different variations of our core four, it's that there may be diminishing value returns, the more elite players you put on a PP, and if a team is going to stubbornly split unit times 50/50 regardless of who is on it, stacking as a default setup may not be ideal for the team.

Though even that conclusion is premature.

Everyone probably is replaceable to some degree or another and that logic just shows that Marner is no more valuable to the PP than anyone else.
Marners best use is the PK not the PP. Marner is a great PK’er

 

[DraftSchmaft]

It was established 5 days ago that Marner doesn't suck on the PP, he just sucks with the current group of guys. This conclusion should please all sides....why is this still going.

It's up to the coaching staff now to do something about it, but they probably won't.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Everyone probably is replaceable to some degree or another and that logic just shows that Marner is no more valuable to the PP than anyone else.

It does not support singling Marner out as a less valuable PP player than the other members of our core four, or diminish the quality of PP player he is.

Marners best use is the PK not the PP. Marner is a great PK’er

Marner is best used on both. Marner is an excellent PKer and PP player, and has a lot to offer in both game states.

 

[zeke]

It was established 5 days ago that Marner doesn't suck on the PP, he just sucks with the current group of guys. This conclusion should please all sides....why is this still going.

It's up to the coaching staff now to do something about it, but they probably won't.

Marner doesn't suck in any way. He's awesome.

But that doesn't mean that our current PP set up is ideal and might not bite us in the ass again exactly like it did last year.

 

[Gabriel426]

Last game was after a two weeks break where they hardly practice. Everyone was rusty.
The opinions would be more valid if says Leafs didn’t have a break and the PP was scoring like they did before the break while Marner is injured. If that’s the case and Keefe inserted Marner back in the PP1 and not only did they not score but also looking crap. Then I can see the debate about why is Marner on PP1.
Looks like AM might miss a few games, and if PP1 is scoring and Marner is doing great with JT at 5 v 5, while AK and Willie are also clicking, are we going to have a debate about AM being on PP2 and on a new line with Kampf and Kase?

 

[ACC1224]

Last game was after a two weeks break where they hardly practice. Everyone was rusty.
The opinions would be more valid if says Leafs didn’t have a break and the PP was scoring like they did before the break while Marner is injured. If that’s the case and Keefe inserted Marner back in the PP1 and not only did they not score but also looking crap. Then I can see the debate about why is Marner on PP1.
Looks like AM might miss a few games, and if PP1 is scoring and Marner is doing great with JT at 5 v 5, while AK and Willie are also clicking, are we going to have a debate about AM being on PP2 and on a new line with Kampf and Kase?

No because people like Matthews dad.

 

[Gabriel426]

Marner doesn't suck in any way. He's awesome.

But that doesn't mean that our current PP set up is ideal and might not bite us in the ass again exactly like it did last year.

The fact that Marner has not score a PP goal over the past seasons with the amount of PP times he played is a legitimate concern. Bc I really can’t think of any players who had as many PP times as Marner and just could not score one. It is like getting zero in 100 True and False questions with no knowledge, because odds are you will get a few right just by guessing.

 

[Gabriel426]

No because people like Matthews dad.

I think his dad only posting in the Jays threads might be a reason too, lol.

 

[Peasy]

No because people like Matthews dad.

No because we dont have another player that can do anywhere close to what Matthews does on the PP. The issue with Marner is that hes so one dimensional everyone knows what he is going to do on the half wall. It hasnt worked for over a year, teams know what to do, yet there are still people that want to keep beating the dead horse. Our PP looked good earlier in the season when Marner wasn't stapled on the half wall and was rotating around. For some reason that completely disappeared when he came back. He started doing exactly what he did all last season which has lead to him having 0 goals on the PP in 100 games. That is honestly f***in absurd for the amount of time he has the puck on the PP.

Willy can work the half wall in a similar fashion yet has a way better shot so hes a shooting threat. which will help open up lanes. Something that does not happen when Marner is there. But yes, keep ignoring this issue because you love Mitch Marner so much.

 

[Antropovsky]

The fact that Marner has not score a PP goal over the past seasons with the amount of PP times he played is a legitimate concern. Bc I really can’t think of any players who had as many PP times as Marner and just could not score one. It is like getting zero in 100 True and False questions with no knowledge, because odds are you will get a few right just by guessing.

It's perplexing that people are so upset that others are discussing making changes involving him on the pp1. My eyes pop thinking about how many pp he has gone with the personnel he plays with and the fact he's an 11 million player himself. You'd think he'd have one bounce off him in that span. Truthfully it shows the level of battle and determination too... if we were getting rebounds and he was in the tough areas you'd have to expect he'd have one for sure by now.

 

[ACC1224]

No because we dont have another player that can do anywhere close to what Matthews does on the PP. The issue with Marner is that hes so one dimensional everyone knows what he is going to do on the half wall. It hasnt worked for over a year, teams know what to do, yet there are still people that want to keep beating the dead horse. Our PP looked good earlier in the season when Marner wasn't stapled on the half wall and was rotating around. For some reason that completely disappeared when he came back. He started doing exactly what he did all last season which has lead to him having 0 goals on the PP in 100 games. That is honestly f***in absurd for the amount of time he has the puck on the PP.

Willy can work the half wall in a similar fashion yet has a way better shot so hes a shooting threat. which will help open up lanes. Something that does not happen when Marner is there. But yes, keep ignoring this issue because you love Mitch Marner so much.

Your ire is misplaced, it's a coaching/system issue.

I do like the player and seeing him play all his life, I'm biased.
Because I don't call him or his father juvenile names doesn't mean I love him so much.

Breathe, don't get yourself so worked up.

 

[Martin Skoula]

No because people like Matthews dad.

Probably doesn't hurt when your dad doesn't cry to the public that your son needs McDavid level money and recognition.

Probably doesn't hurt being twice the player Marner is either tho.

 

[ACC1224]

Probably doesn't hurt when your dad doesn't cry to the public that your son needs McDavid level money and recognition.

Probably doesn't hurt being twice the player Marner is either tho.

Exactly, thanks.

 

[francis246]

Probably doesn't hurt when your dad doesn't cry to the public that your son needs McDavid level money and recognition.

Probably doesn't hurt being twice the player Marner is either tho.

Both players benefit from each other greatly. It’s why they cry to the coach every time they get split up. They are both incredible talents. No need to diminish one to uplift the other.

 

[Gabriel426]

Both players benefit from each other greatly. It’s why they cry to the coach every time they get split up. They are both incredible talents. No need to diminish one to uplift the other.

I think both are better players when they are apart from each other.

Marner is constantly looking for AM while AM often just hangs around his shooting spots waiting for Marner.
They score plenty of goals in the regular season…. And that’s why fans want to see….

 

[francis246]

I think both are better players when they are apart from each other.

Marner is constantly looking for AM while AM often just hangs around his shooting spots waiting for Marner.
They score plenty of goals in the regular season…. And that’s why fans want to see….

don't disagree at all, but they love playing together and ultimately that's all that matters to the organization.

 

[ShaneFalco]

It's perplexing that people are so upset that others are discussing making changes involving him on the pp1. My eyes pop thinking about how many pp he has gone with the personnel he plays with and the fact he's an 11 million player himself. You'd think he'd have one bounce off him in that span. Truthfully it shows the level of battle and determination too... if we were getting rebounds and he was in the tough areas you'd have to expect he'd have one for sure by now.

The Marner hard-core defenders are a different breed. Noone can critique anything he does or their alarms go off. Forget what's best for the team

 

[Gabriel426]

don't disagree at all, but they love playing together and ultimately that's all that matters to the organization.

Winning the Cup is what matters to the organization, I could careless if they hate each other or are lovers, as long as they win the Cup, that’s all it matters.

 

[Gabriel426]

The Marner hard-core defenders are a different breed. Noone can critique anything he does or their alarms go off. Forget what's best for the team

Again Trumpism or in this case Marnerism. Let’s hope those guys at Sportsnet don’t pick this up.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Winning the Cup is what matters to the organization, I could careless if they hate each other or are lovers, as long as they win the Cup, that’s all it matters.

That's the other thing - we keep hearing how "tight" they are and how much they care. WGAF if they lose each year!?

 

[francis246]

Winning the Cup is what matters to the organization, I could careless if they hate each other or are lovers, as long as they win the Cup, that’s all it matters.

well thankfully the organization believes in them playing together in order to win the cup and like I always say, those people are paid to do those evaluations and make those decisions. in the grand scheme of things we as fans hardly know anything. we can only dream to be in those types of positions. and if we win a cup it's probably gonna be with Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares leading us there.

 

[ACC1224]

Winning the Cup is what matters to the organization, I could careless if they hate each other or are lovers, as long as they win the Cup, that’s all it matters.

100% although it is probably harder to achieve if the players hate each other.
Leafs are a tight group, no discord that I have heard of. That's why I don't think they'll want to disrupt things too much by moving in/out a bunch of players.

 

[Antropovsky]

The Marner hard-core defenders are a different breed. Noone can critique anything he does or their alarms go off. Forget what's best for the team

Zero goals in 18 straight playoff games, no pp goals in more than 100 games, 68 point pace right now... and posters think he is being unfairly treated. He makes 13% of the cap! I love his defensive game right now too but Barkov won the Selke and he had 26 goals and 58 points in 50 games. Stone was a finalist and he had 21 goals and 61 in 55 games last season.

Campbell is gonna need some money...could use about 2 million dollars more right now.

 

[Gabriel426]

100% although it is probably harder to achieve if the players hate each other.
Leafs are a tight group, no discord that I have heard of. That's why I don't think they'll want to disrupt things too much by moving in/out a bunch of players.

I think it is best for the Leafs and us if they actually build a Cup winning team instead of building a team with BFFs and hope they become a Cup winner.
Getting close to the Cup and not winning could be luck but getting kicked in the first round a few years in a row is not luck, it shows the team is not close to winning.
Dubas and company seems to be learning and shaping the team from being speed oriented to vet leadership, tough to a balance of both this season. But to me, the top guys need to show up or move out.
I really don’t want to hear the excuse like it is a bad matchups, we are in a tough division, or the other goalie stole the series….

 

[ACC1224]

I think it is best for the Leafs and us if they actually build a Cup winning team instead of building a team with BFFs and hope they become a Cup winner.
Getting close to the Cup and not winning could be luck but getting kicked in the first round a few years in a row is not luck, it shows the team is not close to winning.
Dubas and company seems to be learning and shaping the team from being speed oriented to vet leadership, tough to a balance of both this season. But to me, the top guys need to show up or move out.
I really don’t want to hear the excuse like it is a bad matchups, we are in a tough division, or the other goalie stole the series….

For sure, at the end of the day they have to win.