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Proposal: TORONTO - COLUMBUS

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Outside of calling to see on the health of guys like Jenner, Gudbranson, I can't see a reason these 2 teams make a deal.
 
hamzarocks said:
Not better than Auston Matthews and less proven come playoffs to have the statement "This makes Toronto a much better team come playoff time"

Neither are 1Cs yet who you can expect to go out and beat FLR, Tampa centers/defenses in a tight playoff series.

Johnson is a very good top 6 player and Fantilli is breaking into a top 6 player but they have no playoff experience, are very young and would have to step up to be top 4 players on the leafs.

They are too young to rely on to win with compared to having Matthews and hoping he can break out come playoffs based off his career regular season play being usually top 10-15ish player in the league since he joined.
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I mean yeah, Matthews is better individually for sure. Especially at this moment in time. That said Fantilli (ppg after taking the 1C role with Monahan injury) and Johnson (on pace for over 72points in n 82 game schedule playing with mostly depth players) are top 6 guys right now with huge potential and we can't ignore the fact Mateychuk is also thrown in there. Well that and the fact we have 8 years of playoff data on Matthews so far and we don't really need to discuss how that's gone
 
hamzarocks said:
Not better than Auston Matthews and less proven come playoffs to have the statement "This makes Toronto a much better team come playoff time"

Neither are 1Cs yet who you can expect to go out and beat FLR, Tampa centers/defenses in a tight playoff series.

Johnson is a very good top 6 player and Fantilli is breaking into a top 6 player but they have no playoff experience, are very young and would have to step up to be top 4 players on the leafs.

They are too young to rely on to win with compared to having Matthews and hoping he can break out come playoffs based off his career regular season play being usually top 10-15ish player in the league since he joined.
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So you're saying the Leafs will be no worse having them in their lineup for the playoffs? I mean, being honest, the Leafs recent playoff history WITH the studs hasn't exactly been the picture of dominance.

Look, I don't disagree that the youth doesn't have the experience, but to slight them based on where they are in their career and make it sound like resounding success has been in the Leafs history... just doesn't add up.

And, yes, I'm aware...Columbus has only one two playoff series in their history (one real one, but the other, oddly, took out said Leafs).

I'll check out of this for good now. This thread is useless.
 
Viqsi said:
So basically the objection is "they haven't proven themselves yet". While that's understandable under the circumstances, it's also worth pointing out that if they had already proven themselves this would be even more of an absurdly nonsensical proposal from Columbus' perspective.
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Agreed. And, as a Leafs fan, I'm able to admit that Matthews hasn't really proven himself yet, either. Not when it really matters.

Toronto says "no". But Columbus says "[expletive] no!"
 
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Viqsi said:
So basically the objection is "they haven't proven themselves yet". While that's understandable under the circumstances, it's also worth pointing out that if they had already proven themselves this would be even more of an absurdly nonsensical proposal from Columbus' perspective.
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Sure that is why the trade makes no sense.

Neither teams strategy aligns with this type of move

IF leafs wanted to retool and targetted quality youth players (not fantilli, KJ, mateychuk specifically but in general younger players with more upside then provem play) they missed the mark.

The leafs core is 60% extended with remaining 2 guys likely being brought back.

That just shows management/ownership doesnt have the patience to retool/rebuild and sell off playoff hopes.

CBJ is also not trading so much youth for Matthews whose making a lot at 13.25M, only has 3 years term, is having a down year per his standards and the CBJ likely arent just a AM34 away from being yearly cup contenders yet.

CBJ likely does trade some of their youth as they transition to full contention. Not sure which players/prospects/picks those will be but its super unlikely they deal 3 of their best young assets in a S/T win now move in 2025.

Bad trade all around which OP didnt need to post to the mains
 
Bloomberg said:
Assuming Matthews hates playing in Berube's system is willing to waive his no-trade....

Matthews for Fantilli, Johnson, Mateychuk

Why Toronto does this - start retooling with getting back 2 top 6 centers. Matthews has injury concerns, so Leafs are managing risk. This also frees up cap space for McJesus in a few years.

Why Columbus does this - Helps with the playoff run, with Matthews, Monahan, Silinger as centers. Having the captain of team USA will help the team financially. Columbus has Cayden Lindstrom, Silinger and Matthews for the future is pretty nice for centers.
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Keep It Simple Stupid . Fire Berube !!!
 
Namikaze Minato said:
Has he ever said he loves scoring?
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Well.... he doesn't have many assists, he's not that great defensively (see 4 nations final goal). He's contract value is from scoring goals, and if he's scoring goes down, that'll hurt the value of his next contract, which is coming up since he didn't sign for 8 years, like..... almost every other superstar
 
Hotpot said:
Well.... he doesn't have many assists, he's not that great defensively (see 4 nations final goal). He's contract value is from scoring goals, and if he's scoring goes down, that'll hurt the value of his next contract, which is coming up since he didn't sign for 8 years, like..... almost every other superstar
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Sounds like Toronto can get him cheap if he plays for Berube then.
 
Namikaze Minato said:
Sounds like Toronto can get him cheap if he plays for Berube then.
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I mean... I guess that the optimistic way of looking at it? But I'm guessing, his agent is probably like "The cap is going to go through the roofs and we'll lose out on so much money because of Berube...... let's get him fired"
 
Bloomberg said:
Assuming Matthews hates playing in Berube's system is willing to waive his no-trade....

Matthews for Fantilli, Johnson, Mateychuk

Why Toronto does this - start retooling with getting back 2 top 6 centers. Matthews has injury concerns, so Leafs are managing risk. This also frees up cap space for McJesus in a few years.

Why Columbus does this - Helps with the playoff run, with Matthews, Monahan, Silinger as centers. Having the captain of team USA will help the team financially. Columbus has Cayden Lindstrom, Silinger and Matthews for the future is pretty nice for centers.
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There's no way that Columbus would do this, and your main reason you offer for doing it "helps with the playoff run" is nonsense. Matthews is an outstanding player, but if the Jackets added him but lost Johnson and Fantilli from their top six, they are clearly worse, not better. Then, on top of that, they are giving up one of their top young players on D as well?

This is madness.
 
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Namikaze Minato said:
Sounds like he would prefer to stay in Toronto then, eh?
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Playing with Marner and under Keefe's offensive system definitely helps Matthew's numbers. But that doesn't mean Matthews wants to stay though, since the next contract is probably his last big contract, he'll probably go to the highest bidder. I think he'll go back to the US, maybe Florida with the low taxes
 
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