Confirmed with Link: [TOR/OTT] Matt Murray (25% retention), a 3rd in 2023 and a 7th in 2024 for Future Considerations.

[Antropovsky]

Many people seem concerned getting Murray will scare the core away. I think it’s probably the opposite. Sure, they would love it if Vasi showed up, but it wouldn’t surprise me if some of the reason the Leafs are moving on from Jack stems from conversatoons in exit interviews.

The players want someone with ice water back there, and as much as I love Jack and think he’s a good goalie, He doesn’t have ice water.


That’s a painful clip to watch, even without being a Sens fan.

Scare the core away? I'm pretty sure the core is well aware that their contracts are the reason the leafs have to get creative to get a #1 goalie.

 

[Racer88]

Scare the core away? I'm pretty sure the core is well aware that their contracts are the reason the leafs have to get creative to get a #1 goalie.

I’m not sure if I can agree with that. I think the core four are carrying a sense of entitlement as far as their contracts go and probably don’t give a dam how their contracts affect the construction of the rest of the team. They will be lined up at the pay window trying to grind who ever is the GM at the time their contracts come due

 

[bentharbs]

There's also a lose-lose thing about making this sort of deal with your downtrodden underdog bitter rivals. If Ottawa's goalie outperforms Murray any head to head, it's full gloating fodder. If the Leafs have a dominant win over Ottawa with Murray winning the game, Ottawa just says they're rebuilding, the Leafs are supposed to win and something like wait and see on Murray.

Welcome to professional sports.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Robertson needs 3-4 years in the AHL

No he doesn't. He was a ppg in the AHL this year and was close to it last year as a teenager. He improved as the year went on when it comes to his balance as well as creating space for himself to get into good scoring positions.

Another good offseason working on putting on 5-10lbs, getting stronger and working on his skating and he will be close to ready. 1 more year in the A tops.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Were there better options? Yes. Samsonov for starters. Maybe Georgiev in a trade. Or Talbot in a trade. etc. Heck he could have just signed Campbell for 5 x 5.

GSAx last season:

Murray: +3.2
Campbell: -2.3
Talbot: -5.8
Georgiev: -6.8
Samsonov: -12.1

Georgiev instead also would have essentially cost us 3rd + 3rd + 3rd + 5th + 7th.
All of them carry their own risks.

Matthews is gonna walk over this.

 

[ToneDog]

GSAx last season:

Murray: +3.2
Campbell: -2.3
Talbot: -5.8
Georgiev: -6.8
Samsonov: -12.1

Georgiev instead also would have essentially cost us 3rd + 3rd + 3rd + 5th + 7th.
All of them carry their own risks.

Give it up. Your numbers mean nothing. Proof Sens just dumped Murray for Talbot. Just hope Murray finds his game and then you can honestly pump his tires.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

And Matt Murray carried a swiss cheese Pit D corp to two Cups. Murray is 28 years old and only locked in for two season has a 29-21 291sv% and 2.18 GAA in his career. Is he a risk 1000% but not any more of a risk than what was available outside of Varlamov but he would of cost us more in player/picks and cap space. But still comes with risk.
The Oil will be tacking the same risk with Jack or whoever signs him

Logistics of the trade make it a F.

Hoping and pray this works out is shared by everyone by force and nothing to do with why trade is bad

 

[ToneDog]

Logistics of the trade make it a F.

Hoping and pray this works out is shared by everyone by force and nothing to do with why trade is bad

If it does not work, Dubas is gone. He has overpaid Murray ($1.68), Tavares ($1m), Matty ($1m), Mitch ($1.5) and Willie ($0.5m) by about $6m. Imagine what we can do with that much extra cap space.

 

[ShaneFalco]

It's funny how some say he's the best out of the others out there. Like Kyle didn't have any time to plan for this and then all of a sudden a big rush to sign another oft-injured overpaid goalie

 

[saltming]

What did Elkin say is ailing Murray?

That he noticed something in his lateral movement that can be fixed

 

[Dekes For Days]

Your numbers mean nothing.

Of course they mean something. Goalie performance fluctuates a lot, and there are no guarantees of future performance, but it certainly means a lot more than people blindly pointing to SV% and claiming he's bad and everybody else is good, while ignoring that he played behind some of the worst defensive play in the league last year. There are risks associated with Murray, but there were risks associated with literally every single goalie available this offseason.

I do also find it interesting that many of the people who have been endlessly spouting that playoffs are totally different and everything else is irrelevant... don't seem to place any value on Murray being a two-time cup winner, with the best career playoff results of anybody that was an option.

Proof Sens just dumped Murray for Talbot.

That isn't proof of anything.

 

[ToneDog]

Of course they mean something. Goalie performance fluctuates a lot, and there are no guarantees of future performance, but it certainly means a lot more than people blindly pointing to SV% and claiming he's bad and everybody else is good, while ignoring that he played behind some of the worst defensive play in the league last year. There are risks associated with Murray, but there were risks associated with literally every single goalie available this offseason.

I do also find it interesting that many of the people who have been endlessly spouting that playoffs are totally different and everything else is irrelevant... don't seem to place any value on Murray being a two-time cup winner, with the best career playoff results of anybody that was an option.

That isn't proof of anything.

I hope Murray can be the guy who won 2 SCs but that was how many years ago ?? The trade is most likely a mistake but I'm done debating it to death. Everybody needs to move on and let it play out. Expect the worst, hope for the best.

That he noticed something in his lateral movement that can be fixed

Some on the main boards were laughing at his catching hand.

 

[therealkoho]

Who is going to have the cap space to match if the Leafs give him a $3 million raise on the AAV? I mean that to match that contract in UFA, it would have to be in excess of $17 million over 7 years.

Which contender will have that cap space?

That question also extends to the Leafs for that matter! If suddenly his agent realizes the money just isn't there and lowers his expectations to 14m, that new target also opens the doors for other teams, either way if they can't get his name on a contract on July1st next year, as sad as that is, the reality is that they have to start shopping him.

These crazy big money deals do as much to tear teams apart as does negative influences in the dressing rooms. Both the union or association or whatever they are have to take a good hard look at salary structure max and minimums because neither are based in reality.

During the pandemic when there was very little income, players got their full salary to the penny and now they owe the shortfall back. The players are already grumbling the escrow is killing them, and yet some players are already talking about how much of a raise they want on their next contracts, for example speculation has it that Tkachuk out in Calgary wants 14, the guy hasn't won anything, but still wants to be paid like he takes home all the silverware.

Sorry about the rant but this stuff drives me nuts.

I hear ya but it's sad that's what success is in leaf land

It's a success anywhere in the league, the Leafs haven't been alone in handing out money that has yet to be earned.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I hope Murray can be the guy who won 2 SCs but that was how many years ago ??

So we can look at the playoff outcomes for very different Leaf teams from years ago and pretend it means something in the present and future because the logo on the jersey was the same, but we can't look at the past playoff performances of the specific player we're acquiring because it's too old?

Everybody needs to move on and let it play out

Agreed.

 

[ToneDog]

So we can look at the playoff outcomes for very different Leaf teams from years ago and pretend it means something in the present and future because the logo on the jersey was the same, but we can't look at the past playoff performances of the specific player we're acquiring because it's too old?

Agreed.

A team and an individual's playoff performances 5 years ago is comparing apples and oranges. You can't tell me JT is the same player he was 5 years ago. Murray has to prove he can stay healthy and he can do it again.

 

[Dekes For Days]

A team and an individual's playoff performances 5 years ago is comparing apples and oranges. You can't tell me JT is the same player he was 5 years ago.

Leafs aren't remotely close to the same team they were 5 years ago. The team has gone through way more changes than any individual player. It would be illogical and backwards to argue that Murray's past playoff performances are irrelevant but the Leaf's past playoff outcomes are relevant.

 

[Twine Tickler]

I think one thing to really give consideration is Jason Spezza's involvement with management now. He will give a unique perspective that a lot of other teams do not have in their organizations. He was in that room a matter of months ago, he knows exactly who are the straws that stir the drinks.

As much as soupy was beloved by the fanbase and teammates, maybe there is a reason the Leafs reportedly didn't even offer him a contract. Maybe a guy like Spezza had his doubts. In Spezza's "assistant to the GM" press conference Kyle mentioned the conversations between Spezz and him had already shifted gears from player/GM to a more management peer level. Maybe part of that conversation was the groups belief in Soupy.

I wish Jack nothing but the best. He really was so easy to cheer for. I am not trying to insinuate that Matt Murray will 100% be better, but I really don't think we are talking a huge drop off, if at all.

 

[Stephen]

I still wonder how much of that was injury related and Jack pushing himself because we had zero other options.

I won't speak ill of Jack Campbell as a Maple Leaf. He did what he could and earned his dollars here.

With Campbell the Leafs won the bet by paying a $1.6 million guy and pretending he was an established starter. We probably got $4 million in value out of him. On the flip side with Murray, Dubas not getting full retention means Murray will have a higher hurdle to clear to give us similar value since he costs more.

 

[Antropovsky]

I think one thing to really give consideration is Jason Spezza's involvement with management now. He will give a unique perspective that a lot of other teams do not have in their organizations. He was in that room a matter of months ago, he knows exactly who are the straws that stir the drinks.

As much as soupy was beloved by the fanbase and teammates, maybe there is a reason the Leafs reportedly didn't even offer him a contract. Maybe a guy like Spezza had his doubts. In Spezza's "assistant to the GM" press conference Kyle mentioned the conversations between Spezz and him had already shifted gears from player/GM to a more management peer level. Maybe part of that conversation was the groups belief in Soupy.

I wish Jack nothing but the best. He really was so easy to cheer for. I am not trying to insinuate that Matt Murray will 100% be better, but I really don't think we are talking a huge drop off, if at all.

Soup was just ok.... I felt more comfortable with Andersen net, but didn't feel at ease with either of them in the playoffs.

 

[ShaneFalco]

The incoming Malgin signing will be applauded by some too. You know, because that's the type of player this team needs

 

[Twine Tickler]

Soup was just ok.... I felt more comfortable with Andersen net, but didn't feel at ease with either of them in the playoffs.

I think additionally to my point, if Soupy was that important to the Leafs room I am sure Spezz would have vocalized it. This is appearing more and more like the Leafs were just not willing to commit to Jack beyond a certain term, which I think is totally reasonable for a guy who has really only been a starter for 1 full season

 

[Al14]

After sleeping on this Murray acquisition, I'm still not comfortable with it at all. I think he is washed up as a starter. I'm not sure he's even a good 1b starter long term anymore.

I hope he proves me wrong! I just can't see how he'll take us to the promised land where Campbell and Andersen failed at too!

I'd have more confidence in Greg Anderson over Matt Murray!

 

[OptimusReim]

Another positive about this trade is that when it inevitably blows up in our face and Dubas is canned, his fanboys will defiantly be leaving with him.

 

[ToneDog]

Another positive about this trade is that when it inevitably blows up in our face and Dubas is canned, his fanboys will defiantly be leaving with him.

Amen. Hard to believe they either do not believe or refuse to admit that Dubas lost this deal, or they enjoy trolling. I have lost my patience today, they are going on ignore.

This is amazing, a goaltender who may not even make the team has 83 pages of comments. When AM wins Hart Trophy he got 10 pages.

So many "Chicken Littles" on the board.

At 4.68m he has made the team.

 

[notbias]

Give it up. Your numbers mean nothing. Proof Sens just dumped Murray for Talbot. Just hope Murray finds his game and then you can honestly pump his tires.

Ah yes, the Sens, the most wise and decorated team in hockey.

the GSAx basically just says what a lot of other people have said, high risk, high reward. I think that is a fair read on the situation.