Confirmed with Link: [TOR/OTT] Matt Murray (25% retention), a 3rd in 2023 and a 7th in 2024 for Future Considerations.

[PromisedLand]

Not really, back in Pittsburgh he was very consistent, steady, & didn't let the soft goals in; that was enough to win. Wasn't a highlight real goalie like Fleury but outplayed him & took the net.

Hopefully he can be that for the Leafs but I'm not optimistic.

not entirely true. MAF single handedly won the pens the series against the caps. Pens had no business winning that series. Caps were all over them. They benched murray and MAF took over and went super saiyan in net

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Waiting for the Dubas fan boys to tell all of us why we're all wrong and this is another brilliant move by their hero.

I mean...this seems to be the deal that has united the fanbase honestly. It can be done.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

Goalies aren’t voodoo though. It’s just observers who aren’t interested in the position who write it off as an interchangeable cog. Think of it as it’s own sport within a sport with its own specialization.

They are absolutely voodoo:

 

[The Masters]

Take it with a grain of salt.

i posted earlier

matt murray is on elkin's page and credits him

Goalie School - Elite Hockey Goalie School - Jon Elkin's Goalie School

Jon Elkin's Goalie School pushes the position of playing goal ahead with the philosophy of “low is the new big". Become the best goalie in your league.

elkingoaltending.com

Leafs are banking on their medical team, goaltending program big time here

 

[Leafidelity]

The best and most positive thing anyone can say is "Wait and see how it turns out".

Sounds pretty reasonable considering the trade deadline hasn't even passed.

But we'll let the ledge jumpers have their fun

 

[ER89]

Goalies aren’t voodoo though. It’s just observers who aren’t interested in the position who write it off as an interchangeable cog. Think of it as it’s own sport within a sport with its own specialization.

Just easier to say they're voodoo so you can continue making questionable decisions in net

 

[Stephen]

They are absolutely voodoo:

That isn’t voodoo. Robin Lehner has never been a reliable performer year to year and Jonathan Quick has spent his late 30s on a rebuilding team coming out of the year down. Look at Lehner’s track record in Ottawa and Buffalo.

 

[JadedLeaf]

I'm actually pretty angry about this. Makes no sense. Rather have just given the money to Campbell. f*** me. Somehow our goaltending is going into next season with an even bigger question mark

 

[leafsfan5]

I'm done with him

Fire Dubas

 

[PromisedLand]

I think Murray can return to decent and they probably did sufficient checks on the medicals. I'm more concerned about the cap space this costs (i.e. only 25% retention) and what it means for filling out other needs on the roster.

same sufficient "medical checks" that were done on Foligno by the dubas medical reps?

 

[TheGreatOne11]

Jon Elkin was the Soo Greyhound coach when Murray was there, so it is a little bit about the Soo.

But more so about Elkin.

Alright cool, so our entire season depends on if we have the goalie whisperer or not.

 

[The Blueprint]

The longer I think about this trade the more i realize how f***ed we are. Just stinks of desperation. Praying for a miracle....

 

[leafsfan5]

During the draft I said this next 7 days is the most important of Dubas career

He has f***ed it up tremendously. Hats off to him. We're going nowhere

 

[WTFMAN99]

Just easier to say they're voodoo so you can continue making questionable decisions in net

Just like at end of season presser basically the answer to anything was “we believe in the team / group” - nothing behind it, just bullshit.

 

[TheShape]

Just curious, we’re people actually comfortable giving Campbell 5+ mill x 5 years?

Murray had better stats on a significantly worse team up until the last 2 games of a lost season.

Not to mention Campbell has his own injury concerns.

Why would anyone want to commit that much term to a mediocre goalie?

I understand hating this deal, but I don’t understand everyone who says “couldn’t we have just spent a little more to keep Campbell”

Campbell at virtually the same cap hit is the better option in the next two years (Matthews window). But tbh neither Campbell or Murray are the answer, the option is to choose neither as opposed to picking your poison which is what Dubas did here.

There were other avenues. Husso, Varlamov come to mind. Maybe even one year of Cam Talbot, who I don't even rate but would still have him above this current version of Murray.

 

[The Podium]

I agree I didn't want to sign Campbell for 5+ years and wasn't sold on Keumper after his underwhelming playoff numbers, especially at his price tag.

I think a band aid stop gap was the best course of action MAF would have been ideal but he never made it to the market.

I could stomach Murray at 25% if the sweetener was a lot better. A 3rd and 7th is better than nothing since they didn't give up anything, but the cap space lost that will impact their ability to fill out the depth is what gets me.

He better be shrewd in this area because I think there are some good fitting pieces out there.

But at this point, if the don't make it out of the first round again (or worse) I'm fine with moving on. He just can't seem to fleece trades, which is starting to hurt the team.

I agree with all of this

 

[dem]

Nm

 

[Marmoset]

The execs are probably pretty comfortably numb at this point. I really don't think the brass feels anything at all tbh, it's just proving to be a rotten culture at management once again. Fire everyone and let a real hockey person build the whole team top to bottom. Let them all go, there is nobody worth keeping except some scouts and trainers.

I know this sounded like an extreme hot take. I know that, but the sad part is I think it's actually the truth. I mean that. Get Larry T out of the top spot and work your way down the chain.

LarryT has been great on the basketball side.

I would think the success of the Raptors would also have the MLSE executives wondering why the hockey people hired at the same time have yet to escape the first round.

Anyways, getting a little sidetracked here. After having some time to think about this deal - I think I like it even less now.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

That isn’t voodoo. Robin Lehner has never been a reliable performer year to year and Jonathan Quick has spent his late 30s on a rebuilding team coming out of the year down. Look at Lehner’s track record in Ottawa and Buffalo.

Lehner was good in OTT + BUF FWIW - or at least had good years.

Read the quoted tweet "a goalies past sv pct has almost no correlation to future sv pct" - hence: voodoo.

 

[nuck]

It doesn't leave much $ for the #2. I had been thinking of maybe Talbot but thats an $8M tandem. I think they are not looking at a 1b but rather a serviceable backup.

 

[The Podium]

Campbell at virtually the same cap hit is the better option in the next two years (Matthews window). But tbh neither Campbell or Murray are the answer, the option is to choose neither as opposed to picking your poison which is what Dubas did here.

There were other avenues. Husso, Varlamov come to mind. Maybe even one year of Cam Talbot, who I don't even rate but would still have him above this current version of Murray.

I agree with this. I don’t hate Murray, but it should’ve been Murray at 50 or 75% with enough cap to get a reliable tandem goalie.

Personally, I would’ve preferred no sweetener and have a 3rd team help to save as much cap as possible.

The wasted cap space is a bigger issue than the gamble on Murray.

same sufficient "medical checks" that were done on Foligno by the dubas medical reps?

Pretty sure the Leafs fired their entire medical staff after that trade

 

[sampollock]

Seems they figure they make him soild again
Time will tell

 

[SprDaVE]

At 50% retention I think I wouldn't mind this at all with all the recent deals going on. Not sure 25% was nearly enough.

Not a good trade at all.

 

[ER89]

Just like at end of season presser basically the answer to anything was “we believe in the team / group” - nothing behind it, just bullshit.

Yeah no one gives a rats f***ing ass if yall believe in each other. What i BELIEVE is that 6 straight first round exits are unacceptable....

 

[Thornbury]

I'm actually pretty angry about this. Makes no sense. Rather have just given the money to Campbell. f*** me. Somehow our goaltending is going into next season with an even bigger question mark

Campbell will want 4 or 5 years at $5 million, and I wouldn't want to make that commitment. I agree with all the posters - even if you think Murray is a reasonable risk, and you get a solid back up - surely we could have pulled either better sweeteners or a higher % retention by the Sens.