Proposal: Tor-Chi, Tor-Sea, Tor- Ari

[Hockey 4 Life]

Trade 1
Toronto
Hagel (1.5 mill)

Chicago
2nd 2022
2nd 2023 cond if the Leafs make ECF otherwise reverts to a 2024 3rd.
Engvall

Trade 2
Toronto
Soucy (2.75 mill)

Seattle
2022 1st
Kerfoot (3.5 mill)

Trade 3
Toronto
Larsson(1.4 mill)
Lyubushkin(1.35 mill)

Arizona
Dermott(1.5 mill)
Anderson(750 k)

In these 3 trades Toronto only takes on 775k in cap which should be doable near the deadline.

Chicago potentially get two 2nds plus a good Lw who is only 25, with good size and speed.

Seattle gets a 2022 1st and a top 9 solid two way winger who they can use next year and trade at the 2023 deadline for extra picks.

Arizona gets two young players to plug into their roster next season, and both have potential to grow a bit more.

Do these trades seem to be fair? Thanks for the input in advance.

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[rt]

Would rather just re-sign Larsson and Lyubushkin. If you aren’t getting a long-term piece, who cares about age?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Honestly from my perspective, I have seen worse on here, curious on the reception.

 

[Space umpire]

Not a bad proposal but Chicago passes. They would have to hope Engvall becomes what Hagel already is and the chances of late 2nd round picks being anything special is slim.
Hagel is cheap, good, young and signed for 1.5m per for 2 years after this one.
Change the 2 2nds to a 1st and … maybe the Hawks accept.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

You lost me at "Chicago gets a good LW"

They are the ones trading away the good LW

 

[NMacrules]

Trade 1
Toronto
Hagel (1.5 mill)

Chicago
2nd 2022
2nd 2023 cond if the Leafs make ECF otherwise reverts to a 2024 3rd.
Engvall

Trade 2
Toronto
Soucy (2.75 mill)

Seattle
2022 1st
Kerfoot (3.5 mill)

Trade 3
Toronto
Larsson(1.4 mill)
Lyubushkin(1.35 mill)

Arizona
Dermott(1.5 mill)
Anderson(750 k)

In these 3 trades Toronto only takes on 775k in cap which should be doable near the deadline.

Chicago potentially get two 2nds plus a good Lw who is only 25, with good size and speed.

Seattle gets a 2022 1st and a top 9 solid two way winger who they can use next year and trade at the 2023 deadline for extra picks.

Arizona gets two young players to plug into their roster next season, and both have potential to grow a bit more.

Do these trades seem to be fair? Thanks for the input in advance.

Man, you are out to lunch.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Trade 1: meh, I’d rather not
Trade 2: absolutely f*** no
Trade 3: sure, indifferent

 

[thusk]

After all those trade,leafs are not a better team and they loose a 1st and maybe 2 second pick... wow just lock it

 

[HoseEmDown]

If that was offered I'm pretty sure Seattle would except. Flip Kerfoot for additional assets, retain if needed, to load up on futures. I'm sure they would prefer to move Fluery or Lauzon before Soucy but if the return is that much better for him then they need to take it.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Leafs need a player like Soucy and if they have to overpay a bit to get him for atleast this season and next they should do it.

 

[Dead Coyote]

Take out Dermott and Lyubushkin and I'd be fine with it. Bush isn't much older than Dermott and I'd rather have him. Anderson at least has some potential, Larsson has none. I'd also be fine keeping Larsson though. Not a bad trade, but probably not needed.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Take out Dermott and Lyubushkin and I'd be fine with it. Bush isn't much older than Dermott and I'd rather have him. Anderson at least has some potential, Larsson has none. I'd also be fine keeping Larsson though. Not a bad trade, but probably not needed.

Fair enough

 

[thusk]

Leafs need a player like Soucy and if they have to overpay a bit to get him for atleast this season and next they should do it.

Leafs need an upgrade over holl and soucy is not an upgrade and not sure if hes really an upgrade over liljegren. Ok because his physical play he can help but never give a 1 st or a player playing in the top 6 for a 6th d.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Leafs need an upgrade over holl and soucy is not an upgrade and not sure if hes really an upgrade over liljegren. Ok because his physical play he can help but never give a 1 st or a player playing in the top 6 for a 6th d.

Hes not a 6th d, hes a top 4 d who can also play both sides and is under contract for next year as well. Hes just as good as Mayfield.

 

[thusk]

Hes not a 6th d, hes a top 4 d who can also play both sides and is under contract for next year as well. Hes just as good as Mayfield.

Amount top 7 d of seattle, soucy is #7 for time at 5v5 and #6 total time/game, it was the same with the wild. He far away of mayfield.

But Yeah for sure a guy used by his own team as a 6th should be upgrade of holl . A player who playing against top line and be part of every most important defensive situation of the team in one of the best defensive team during that time... come on...

 

[Mrfenn92]

No thank you from Chicago

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Amount top 7 d of seattle, soucy is #7 for time at 5v5 and #6 total time/game, it was the same with the wild. He far away of mayfield.

But Yeah for sure a guy used by his own team as a 6th should be upgrade of holl . A player who playing against top line and be part of every most important defensive situation of the team in one of the best defensive team during that time... come on...

Hes looked very solid each time I've seen him play but the eye test isn't always 100 %. I'll agree that the original deal is probably an over pay but believe at worst hes a 5 who could move up if need be.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Amount top 7 d of seattle, soucy is #7 for time at 5v5 and #6 total time/game, it was the same with the wild. He far away of mayfield.

But Yeah for sure a guy used by his own team as a 6th should be upgrade of holl . A player who playing against top line and be part of every most important defensive situation of the team in one of the best defensive team during that time... come on...

1. He is tied for 6th in games played for Seattle D-men.
2. And in that limited time Soucy is 3rd on D in points.
3. He also leads Seattle D in +/-.
4. Hakstol for some insane reason had Soucy as part of a revolving door in D-men at the start of the season.

For us, Soucy is a top-4 D.

 

[thusk]

1. He is tied for 6th in games played for Seattle D-men.
2. And in that limited time Soucy is 3rd on D in points.
3. He also leads Seattle D in +/-.
4. Hakstol for some insane reason had Soucy as part of a revolving door in D-men at the start of the season.

For us, Soucy is a top-4 D.

Looking good against a weaker opposition on a 3rd pairing still not the same than looking good against top opponent line game after game, shift after shift. I don't have any reason to believe than soucy is a better d than holl with his work level of difficulty a
lot harder than soucy.

So like i said paid a 1st round and/ or a top 6 player for a guy who will play 6th role, just no...

 

[mydnyte]

Trade 1
Toronto
Hagel (1.5 mill)

Chicago
2nd 2022
2nd 2023 cond if the Leafs make ECF otherwise reverts to a 2024 3rd.
Engvall

Trade 2
Toronto
Soucy (2.75 mill)

Seattle
2022 1st
Kerfoot (3.5 mill)

Trade 3
Toronto
Larsson(1.4 mill)
Lyubushkin(1.35 mill)

Arizona
Dermott(1.5 mill)
Anderson(750 k)

In these 3 trades Toronto only takes on 775k in cap which should be doable near the deadline.

Chicago potentially get two 2nds plus a good Lw who is only 25, with good size and speed.

Seattle gets a 2022 1st and a top 9 solid two way winger who they can use next year and trade at the 2023 deadline for extra picks.

Arizona gets two young players to plug into their roster next season, and both have potential to grow a bit more.

Do these trades seem to be fair? Thanks for the input in advance.

from the Toronto POV
#1 no thank you
#2 hell no! no way in the world do the Leafs give up a 1st and a very useful player (who is on 60+pt pace) for someone that wouldnt crack our lineup on Defense.
#3 not worth the extra cap

 

[WTFMAN99]

from the Toronto POV
#1 no thank you
#2 hell no! no way in the world do the Leafs give up a 1st and a very useful player (who is on 60+pt pace) for someone that wouldnt crack our lineup on Defense.
#3 not worth the extra cap

You're not well versed on Soucy are you?

 

[mydnyte]

You're not well versed on Soucy are you?

who is he going to replace on the Left side?

 

[AcerComputer]

So we trade away Kerfoot + 1st laughable. Then we have to turn around and replace Kerfoot afterwards? Why don't we trade away Campbell just for fun!

 

[WTFMAN99]

who is he going to replace on the Left side?

He plays both sides.

He's playing RD beside Giordano currently, or has at various points.

 

[mydnyte]

He plays both sides.

He's playing RD beside Giordano currently, or has at various points.

he wouldnt get the same opportunity here, though, if Holl was packaged for him, then maybe, but not in the deal as presented.
he is not worth a 1st on its own, and certainly not worth a 1st and Kerfoot.
he's a 27 year old who hasnt played a full NHL season yet and the only reason his numbers seem good is the opportunity he gets on an expansion team

he's similar to an older Dermott...
had Seattle picked Dermott, i'd expect him to have numbers better than Soucy has now.
they both have a career high 17 points, but Dermott has 236 games under his belt to 141 for Soucy who couldnt even hold down the #6 spot.