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Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo: Part V

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BroadwayStorm said:
Why the hell did my comment get censored? It was legitimate. Tony DeAngelo is a disgrace and a distraction to the NYR and should be traded. What is controversial about that? What is non discussion material about it? Are right wingers with a grudge moderating this forum now?
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SnowblindNYR said:
But it works both ways.
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Definitely. At the end of the day, if you strip anything political out of the equation, you're left with an uber-talented millionaire athlete that likes spending his free time getting in arguments with strangers on the internet.

Not damning. Not admirable. Just a distraction.

He still has some rust to shake off on the ice, if he is going to lug Jack Johnson's dessicated husk around all season. That's what we should be talking about.
 
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Politics asside, I feel for him having the worst D partners in Staal and JJ. He's an offensive defensemen. As a coach, you know that his offense makes up for his lapses on defense... so what does the coach do? He pairs him with the worst all around defenders on the team. Brendan Smith is actually playing with some jam this season but JJ is higher on the depth chart? It makes no sense. ADA should be playing with a stay at home defender who is actually competent. Pairing him with the worst all around defensemen every year will, of course, make him look like garbage.
I'd rather give Hajek another shot with Fox and let ADA ride with Lindgren than play JJ.
 
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I'm so bored of seeing him described as having 'political views.' Look, Tony DeAngelo wasn't gearing up for a trade war with China five years ago, and he didn't have strong opinions about the World Trade Organization or farm subsidies. Tony DeAngelo really loves a jerk because he's a jerk to people Tony doesn't like. It's time that people stop tip-toeing around the obvious. He's not that complicated.

I'll only add that approximately one percent (at the very least) of people would be diagnosed as psychopaths (not the technical term). So, at a minimum you'd expect there to be at least nine, or one in every three teams. It's just something worth noting.
 
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No matter how good he is, this has become a way to big a headache, and he will either be exposed to the Kraken or traded.

The minute Lundkvist gets here and shows to be Fox 2.0 or at least not a liability, ADA is gone.
 
Trxjw said:
I distinctly remember backlash against Lundqvist and Boyle for appearing in the commercials for the You Can Play Project like 7 or 8 years ago. There was the infamous "Shut up and dribble" clip of course. Virtually any time an athlete takes a public stance on something they get blow back from fans who disagree with them. People expect athletes to just not have opinions but of course all of them do. Yet most of them have the common sense to not get into stupid fights on Twitter with people about it.

If you're going to make your opinions known in public, popular or otherwise, you need to be prepared to face the idiots who are going to try and get a rise out of you. Tony doesn't have that ability. He's easily provoked and he's better off just shutting up. Not because I care what he says, or because he's going to get cancelled, but because he's going to cost himself a shit ton of money if he gets branded as a PR nightmare because he keeps starting fights on Twitter.
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Anyone who is accustomed to have information fed to them, and simply regurgitate it back are involved enough to verbalize "their" reaction. All who are exposed to it will have some sort of feeling but not all will express said reaction right? But there is a sizable portion who will tune in for that reaction.

Twitter as a platform creates for a free flow of open information where it amplifies this exchange. What it also does is it segments the thoughts, feelings and beliefs into neat little buckets. Some people get how to differentiate the audience's perception, while others can only ask questions that are simply a yes or no in it's nature.

One helps you grow your business, and the other becomes a cost center. I don't have an issue with Tony's beliefs or his expressions. None what so ever. Nor do I have anything against the reactions of the mob. It's going to happen, and the more binary a topic is... The more reactions you are going to get.... But with a more limited perception of the audience, since it's a yes or no stance.

Works great for politics, but it's an optical nightmare for sports outside of what's happening in the game, or if it's an "unapproved" message. Or if it's too sophisticated to understand.
 
NYRFANMANI said:
No matter how good he is, this has become a way to big a headache, and he will either be exposed to the Kraken or traded.

The minute Lundkvist gets here and shows to be Fox 2.0 or at least not a liability, ADA is gone.
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DeAngelo is not an asset that I would just want to let go with no return. Just saying. He's a good player even if he's physically underwhelming (Fox too--you need to be fair) and his D is a little bit shaky. Tony can run a power play and really there aren't that many that can zip the puck around like him.

As far as the twitter stuff--getting caught out is embarrassing. I would think he'd learn something from this latest episode. I don't agree with his general political direction and when you go out there like he has you're going to get blowback. It would probably be better if he toned it down a bit but it's not keeping me awake at night. There are some 300 and some million people living in the United States and all kinds of points of view and his (like mine) is just one of them. Maybe it annoys some but I don't pay much attention to what Tony thinks about politics and I think I'm better off for it. No way though I'd give him away for nothing.
 
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gravey9 said:
Well, two things. IF it is him 1 - it's so very lame. but 2. The account liked a few tweets that his teammates will not like: one bashed Trouba for his bloated contract, and then another tweet about Shesty and someone else. So, if it is him there could be issues in the locker room. And likely much more upsetting to his teammates than any political views. But the big hubbub is really about how lame it would be if he created a burner to defend his play. Especially when he swore off twitter very publicly a few weeks ago for political reasons. Again, may not be him, and if so, it is nothing. but it certainly made twitter on a saturday with no rangers game somewhat entertaining. that's about it.

And honestly, a nice distraction from talking about how terrible Jack Johnson is.
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I need a little more before I ostracize the guy . I get it’s “possible,” but that’s a pretty steep jump to basically turn the guy into a cancer. I know there have been some issues, but this would be pretty flagrant. He’s always seemed to get along well with teammates from what we see. I don’t see him criticizing teammates online. It’ll take me a little more than “some guy says it’s from Pittsburgh before I paint him with that brush. I’d think any of us should expect the same respect.
 
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Smart Alek said:
I'm so bored of seeing him described as having 'political views.' Look, Tony DeAngelo wasn't gearing up for a trade war with China five years ago, and he didn't have strong opinions about the World Trade Organization or farm subsidies. Tony DeAngelo really loves a jerk because he's a jerk to people Tony doesn't like. It's time that people stop tip-toeing around the obvious. He's not that complicated.

I'll only add that approximately one percent (at the very least) of people would be diagnosed as psychopaths (not the technical term). So, at a minimum you'd expect there to be at least nine, or one in every three teams. It's just something worth noting.
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Now he’s a psychopath? Another leap. I like to think people don’t label others with that term because they oppose your political party. Again, the point is that there’s no evidence this was him aside from someone saying it came from Pittsburgh. I think you take him at his word until/if you know for sure. Hopefully, he learns his lesson and stays off social media because he seems to have a hard time dealing with it in general.
 
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eco's bones said:
DeAngelo is not an asset that I would just want to let go with no return. Just saying. He's a good player even if he's physically underwhelming (Fox too--you need to be fair) and his D is a little bit shaky. Tony can run a power play and really there aren't that many that can zip the puck around like him.
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Agreed. If they decide to shop him, then I think the smart move is to put him back on the PP1 if they haven’t already (I missed last game). I’d also replace JJ with the superior Smith. Hopefully ADA gets going if someone goes looking for a PP QB at the right time. I still think he’s too good to let go in expansion.

AS far as this latest Twitter nonsense I’d get on his case to avoid social media for his own well being and to appear more normal so he can potentially maximize his eventual payday.
 
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gravey9 said:
Well, two things. IF it is him 1 - it's so very lame. but 2. The account liked a few tweets that his teammates will not like: one bashed Trouba for his bloated contract, and then another tweet about Shesty and someone else. So, if it is him there could be issues in the locker room. And likely much more upsetting to his teammates than any political views. But the big hubbub is really about how lame it would be if he created a burner to defend his play. Especially when he swore off twitter very publicly a few weeks ago for political reasons. Again, may not be him, and if so, it is nothing. but it certainly made twitter on a saturday with no rangers game somewhat entertaining. that's about it.

And honestly, a nice distraction from talking about how terrible Jack Johnson is.
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THAT'S IT! It is Jack Johnson's burner account. He knew this would draw heat away from him, temporarily.
 
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Smart Alek said:
I'm so bored of seeing him described as having 'political views.' Look, Tony DeAngelo wasn't gearing up for a trade war with China five years ago, and he didn't have strong opinions about the World Trade Organization or farm subsidies. Tony DeAngelo really loves a jerk because he's a jerk to people Tony doesn't like. It's time that people stop tip-toeing around the obvious. He's not that complicated.

I'll only add that approximately one percent (at the very least) of people would be diagnosed as psychopaths (not the technical term). So, at a minimum you'd expect there to be at least nine, or one in every three teams. It's just something worth noting.
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Wait. He’s a psycho path? Really? Perhaps the psychosis lies with characterizing one as such because he’s views diverge with yours?

Disagreeing with ones views does t make you a jerk. Believing that all views are wrong if they diverge with yours, however does.

Perhaps you should ask the hospital workers if they think that Tony is a jerk. Guaranteed they don’t as he has done more for them than then the so-called non-jerks have.
 
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Kords said:
I like Tony as a pro athlete that plays for my favorite sports team.

I dislike him as a person for implying covid is a hoax for personal reasons.

As a sane, rational human I find it easy to separate the two.
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I have never been a fan of his game.
And he has some obnoxious personality traits.
I dont hate or throw ridiculous projections at the guy.
Hes as much of a nutter as Kyrie
 
Kords said:
I like Tony as a pro athlete that plays for my favorite sports team.

I dislike him as a person for implying covid is a hoax for personal reasons.

As a sane, rational human I find it easy to separate the two.
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There you go again with the sane, rational approach. Why would you ever want to take that approach around here?
 
Barnaby said:
I need a little more before I ostracize the guy . I get it’s “possible,” but that’s a pretty steep jump to basically turn the guy into a cancer. I know there have been some issues, but this would be pretty flagrant. He’s always seemed to get along well with teammates from what we see. I don’t see him criticizing teammates online. It’ll take me a little more than “some guy says it’s from Pittsburgh before I paint him with that brush. I’d think any of us should expect the same respect.
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It would be a steep jump to call him a cancer. Agreed. But the speculation of who made this account and why was beyond entertaining. Why would someone create a twitter account right after the PGH game with the main purpose of defending Tony DeAngelo? And given Tony's prior social media presence, it certainly seemed plausible that it could have been Tony, a family member/friend or conversely just a troll having way too much fun. We'll likely never know.

That said, I agree that he has always stood up for his teammates online. And the liking of those other tweets would be strong evidence to disprove that it was Tony. But it was just really fun speculation on an off-day. Certainly more entertaining than listening to post-practice interviews.
 
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