Tkachuk hit on Guentzel (no supplemental discipline)

[Dr Amazing]

Wow wonder how that will turn out

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I don't know wait for game 4.

 

[Blue and Green]

How much time is considered late?

0.5 seconds seems to be the rule of thumb. This one is around 0.9 seconds. My guess is that he'll escape suspension; this one was as late as the Hagel hit on Barkov but Tkachuk goes right into the torso of Guentzel (nice hit if it had been delivered on time) whereas Hagel's hit involved a bit of head contact.

 

[CostaRica]

Am I missing an inside joke or sarcasm or are you actually saying the Hagel hit on Barkov wasn't even atleast an interference minor with a str8 face?

It was a good hit not a penalty, it’s hockey not a ffng fashion show

 

[Madap]

Seemed later than the Hagel hit to me. Not as bad of a hit but very similar.

Should be a suspension based on the hagel one but I think we all know there’s no way the league would ever suspend Florida unless they were dumb enough to get caught using steroids.

 

[atlanticobserver]

Seemed later than the Hagel hit to me. Not as bad of a hit but very similar.

Should be a suspension based on the hagel one but I think we all know there’s no way the league would ever suspend Florida unless they were dumb enough to get caught using steroids.

Per Paul Maurice ekblad is in the best shape of his life. You don’t say!

 

[Kramer Industries]

0.5 seconds seems to be the rule of thumb. This one is around 0.9 seconds. My guess is that he'll escape suspension; this one was as late as the Hagel hit on Barkov but Tkachuk goes right into the torso of Guentzel (nice hit if it had been delivered on time) whereas Hagel's hit involved a bit of head contact.

On the flip side, Hagel was making (in his mind) a "hockey play". His team was down 1-0 with 10 minutes left in a game they badly needed to win; he's not purposely trying to do something to get penalized and make coming back more difficult.

This was a "this game's clearly over" situation when Tkachuk went in and made that hit. The intent is completely different and inarguably worse than Hagel's.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Seemed later than the Hagel hit to me. Not as bad of a hit but very similar.

Should be a suspension based on the hagel one but I think we all know there’s no way the league would ever suspend Florida unless they were dumb enough to get caught using steroids.

People keep saying this, and it makes zero sense. Barkov never had the puck, it’s not a late hit, it’s a blatantly illegal hit. There was never a point in time where that hit was ok.

 

[StrangeVision]

0.5 seconds seems to be the rule of thumb. This one is around 0.9 seconds. My guess is that he'll escape suspension; this one was as late as the Hagel hit on Barkov but Tkachuk goes right into the torso of Guentzel (nice hit if it had been delivered on time) whereas Hagel's hit involved a bit of head contact.

The Hagel hit wasn't "late," as Barkov never touched the puck. Barkov was at no point eligible to be hit on the play.

 

[Madap]

People keep saying this, and it makes zero sense. Barkov never had the puck, it’s not a late hit, it’s a blatantly illegal hit. There was never a point in time where that hit was ok

Barkov was very close to touching that puck and he missed it. It was a bad decision in the end by Hagel but clearly he thought Barkov was going to touch it.

Tkachuk clearly saw Guentzel get rid of the puck and hit him anyway.

So yes, “intention” wise, tkachuks was later than Hagels and that should definitely be a consideration when determining suspension.

 

[FinlandPanther]

That’s what happens when you throw dirty hits at players like Barkov. Maybe now Tampa will keep their head up just like Florida has to in every area of the ice,

 

[FinlandPanther]

Barkov was very close to touching that puck and he missed it. It was a bad decision in the end by Hagel but clearly he thought Barkov was going to touch it.

Tkachuk clearly saw Guentzel get rid of the puck and hit him anyway.

So yes, “intention” wise, tkachuks was later than Hagels and that should definitely be a consideration when determining suspension.

No he didn’t. He was getting dogwalked by Barkov and thought “well I’m a pretty medicore player compared to Barkov so this is a great trade off”. Hagel had 0 intention of playing hockey because Barkov frustrated him.

 

[VinikToWinIt]

On the flip side, Hagel was making (in his mind) a "hockey play". His team was down 1-0 with 10 minutes left in a game they badly needed to win; he's not purposely trying to do something to get penalized and make coming back more difficult.

This was a "this game's clearly over" situation when Tkachuk went in and made that hit. The intent is completely different and inarguably worse than Hagel's.

Yeah, the intent of Tkachuk’s is pretty clearly more malicious. It’ll be interesting to see the league justification if he doesn’t get a game.

 

[Bradely]

Looks like he touched the puck and dished it unlike Barkov who didn’t even touch the puck at all. Late hit but no correlation

Pretty same kind of hit....
Hagel is not known for this kind of shit while Tkachuk has a history of those POS hit. That is the only thing not correlated

 

[Ducks DVM]

Barkov was very close to touching that puck and he missed it. It was a bad decision in the end by Hagel but clearly he thought Barkov was going to touch it.

Tkachuk clearly saw Guentzel get rid of the puck and hit him anyway.

So yes, “intention” wise, tkachuks was later than Hagels and that should definitely be a consideration when determining suspension.

No, he was not. The red is the puck, the blue is the closest Barkov ever came to it.

 

[Madap]

No he didn’t. He was getting dogwalked by Barkov and thought “well I’m a pretty medicore player compared to Barkov so this is a great trade off”. Hagel had 0 intention of playing hockey because Barkov frustrated him.

I think we both know you don’t know what he was thinking. Cope in whatever way makes you feel better though. Understandably you guys are sensitive after todays game.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Guentzel was admiring his pass. Should be suspended for putting himself in that position

 

[RussianGuyovich]

No, he was not. The red is the puck, the blue is the closest Barkov ever came to it.

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It’s almost like you don’t understand perspective or anything spatial at all?

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Clearly a five minute penalty. Also not as bad as the Hagel hit. But doubt they don’t suspend him to keep equilibrium in the series.

Idk, wouldn’t be shocked if it’s different enough to result in no games.

Not saying I agree with it- I think for me Hagel’s shoulda been 2, this 1. But Jake at least clearly played the puck, and it isn’t directly to the noggin- that’s enough difference where we shouldn’t be shocked if the result is different.

Just my objective 2 cents, I despise both teams equally.

 

[Talonted]

He will likely duck a suspension.

 

[Ducks DVM]

It’s almost like you don’t understand perspective or anything spatial at all?

I understand that Barkov’s stick never got closer to the puck than the other player’s hands, that it was never anywhere near the puck. There’s no camera angle that changes that, the only perspective that would make it appear otherwise is the color of the glasses one looks through. I don’t give a damn about either team, this was never remotely close to a legal hit.

 

[RussianBum86]

No he ia a panther and the nhl clearly will not suspend him . Just like when kuchefov and bennet were going at it. He comes in twice and cross kucherov. Bennet skates get tangled with kucherov's( accident or slewfoot) and kuchefov gets a penalty for losing his balance from getting skates kicked out and Tkachuk cross checked him in the back twice . The nhl has given the green light to run at kucherov and free pass to repeat offender Tkachuk.

 

[Bozo Nicholson]

Travis Green always looks like he’s about to shit his britches.

 

[RussianGuyovich]

I understand that Barkov’s stick never got closer to the puck than the other player’s hands, that it was never anywhere near the puck. There’s no camera angle that changes that, the only perspective that would make it appear otherwise is the color of the glasses one looks through. I don’t give a damn about either team, this was never remotely close to a legal hit.

Being unbiased doesn’t mean you don’t have a bad opinion

 

[Coffee]

Travis Green always looks like he’s about to shit his britches.

Being unbiased doesn’t mean you don’t have a bad opinion

uh guys, Toronto vs Ottawa overtime is live

Just don’t want you guys to miss anything

 

[Ducks DVM]

Being unbiased doesn’t mean you don’t have a bad opinion

In a vacuum, absolutely. Being unbiased is generally exponentially less likely than being biased to create that situation, however.

In this case… no, I don’t. Provide pictorial evidence I’m wrong, if you feel otherwise. The video is readily available, if you can find it. Otherwise, this is just the equivalent of you going “nuh uh”, and is just as convincing.