Tkachuk hit on Guentzel (no supplemental discipline)

[McFlyingV]

Because he grabbed at his head after the hit. If a player does that the spotters pull them. I don't think it changes what is shown in the replay, personally.

Yes because his head smacked off the ice as a result of the hit. Doesn’t matter if Tkachuk hit head. It was an illegal check intended to cause injury and he smack his face off the ice as a result of not suspecting the hit and not being able to protect himself

 

[OurlordAndSaviorKuch]

lots of biased tampa fans in here silence them all at once, close this ridiculous thread

clean hit, bad timing

Holy bad take batman.

 

[avocadosmoothie]

Boudreau is an imbecile. Whether a player is obviuosly injured should have absolutely no bearing on the penalty.

i don't recall him claiming that it should. he did conclude that it shouldn't have been a suspension, though

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

Predatory? He could have decapitated him lol. I was surprised he held back.

I agree about the last part, but they don't seem to care in the regular season or previous playoffs. But now is their one time statement before they let something more egregious go tomorrow. NHL reffing is so bad.

Right - the reffing is bad. But this time they did the right thing, so, yay.

 

[bov]

Got caught watching his pass, I don't think it's that bad of a hit. Not worthy of a suspension imo but you never know.

 

[zeykshade]

With the precedent set by the Hagel suspension I'm not sure how Tkachuk won't get the same result. Seemed like pretty blatant attempt to injure a star player in a game that was already over.



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I'm a Bolts fan. I think this hit is more intent to injure than Hagel's. Hagel committed to hitting Barkov when the puck was swept away by McDonagh at the last possible moment. No McDonagh, play, it's a perfectly timed nuke and a legit hockey play.

This Tkachuk hit is intentionally late, in a 4-1 game by a known and oft-disciplined rat (there's a place for rats). There's plenty of opportunity to not deliver the hit late, Hagel's hit was made late by McD sweeping the puck away.

I'm must glad that both Barkov and Guentzel appear to be fine. Guentzel's jaw clacked on the ice.

 

[Zybalto]

If Tkachuk has been sus;pended multiple, times his suspension should be longer if the NHL is going to be consistent.

Its tough to know how much a Barkov potential injury played into the NHLs decision. If it played, it might be balanced by the history. If it didnt really play, Tkachuk may be looking a 2+ gamer, yea.

20 IQ move on his part there.

Not giving Tkachuk at least a game would be a nightmare decision though. Already enough fanbases think the Cats get away with murder and are favored by the refs/league. Not giving him a game when everything is so black and white here would cast the league in a horrible light.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

This doesn't seem as bad as Hagel's hit on Barkov. It's undoubtedly late, but not by much and there's no head contact.

I think the 5 minute major is fine.

 

[LordZapp]

Florida has dops in their pocket, nothing will happen.

 

[HockeyVirus]

That will be the day the league actually holds Panthers accountable for these dangerous late hits

 

[Anglesmith]

If there was any head contact in the Hagel hit it was minimal, secondary to shoulder contact, and largely a result of Barkov being bent over.

You can just as easily concuss a guy hitting him like this where he has no chance to brace for contact or protect himself. You don’t need head contact for a concussion.

I mean, just looking at the two, Hagel's shoulder is directly at Barkov's head when he makes his hit, and he puts a slight upwards trajectory into the contact. If he didn't actually hit the head it's very surprising.

Tkachuk isn't really close to Hagel, and realistically looks like he's intentionally staying low on the hit.

Neither of these violates Rule 48 if the puck was present, but given they both violate the interference rule I'm definitely factoring in that one of them was clearly more malicious than the other.

 

[T REX]

100% he is getting a game.

 

[zeykshade]

So that's a 5 for interference now? 1 second after a pass? They've been soft on this kind of shit for years, with way more vicious hits.

Make up your minds you dumb clowns, game state shouldn't matter. I hate Tkachuk and hope he gets 10 games for laughs but that's a 2 minute interference penalty.

Disregarding the Don Cherry tone of your post to start, I think the calling of the Major was just them getting Tkachuk off of the ice without making up a misconduct. More game management than anything.

 

[Boyon90]

how are all these people saying hagel's hit is the same,

clearly hagel's hit makes contact with barkov's head

doesnt happen in tkatchuk's hit on guentzel

barkov never touched the puck prior to the hit

guentzel had just got rid of it, tkachuk's movement was already innitiated

 

[HisNoodliness]

lots of biased tampa fans in here silence them all at once, close this ridiculous thread

clean hit, bad timing

Let me as a Red Wings fan say this.

You're right that this really shouldn't be a suspension. It's silly to think that it should be.

But the league just set exactly that precedent. You can't both want Hagel suspended and think Tkachuk shouldn't be. Neither should be suspended. The league HAS to suspend Tkachuk now. Any other results is just blatant inarguable favoritism.

 

[Anglesmith]

It's just be contradictory for the league to say it wasn't dangerous but we thought the player was concussed.

Not really if you think about it.

 

[CowbellConray]

Not a suspension at all. If Hagels hit doesn’t happen, it’s a 2 minute penalty for interference .

Give him 5, but no suspension - Hagels hit was worse and deserved the five and a game suspension

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

I mean, just looking at the two, Hagel's shoulder is directly at Barkov's head when he makes his hit, and he puts a slight upwards trajectory into the contact. If he didn't actually hit the head it's very surprising.

Tkachuk isn't really close to Hagel, and realistically looks like he's intentionally staying low on the hit.

Neither of these violates Rule 48 if the puck was present, but given they both violate the interference rule I'm definitely factoring in that one of them was clearly more malicious than the other.

Tkachuk was equally malicious considering the scoreboard, time remaining, and the Hagel hit last game. He fully intended the same result.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

If it's bad timing it is by definition not a clean hit.

It was a good hit, except for the fact that it was a bad hit.

 

[OurlordAndSaviorKuch]

Let me as a Red Wings fan say this.

You're right that this really shouldn't be a suspension. It's silly to think that it should be.

But the league just set exactly that precedent. You can't both want Hagel suspended and think Tkachuk shouldn't be. Neither should be suspended. The league HAS to suspend Tkachuk now. Any other results is just blatant inarguable favoritism.

Bingo

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Should be kicked out of the series, deliberate intent to injure - bet he was even texting about it before the game in the chat group…

JK, went with Tampa in the hockey pool, if he’d gotten 5 in game there would be nothing but thinking it will be one game or maybe just a fine as Jake popped back up

 

[Boyon90]

lots of timbits players in here

 

[andora]

Won't be suspended because he already got a 5 minute major and match penalty and Guentzel didn't leave the ice helped by the trainers.

It's all about optics over consistency with the DOPS.

He didnt get a match penalty

 

[elmaco]

Agree with the major but that was a bodycheck, dirty play but not one intended to injure.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

lots of biased tampa fans in here silence them all at once, close this ridiculous thread

clean hit, bad timing

A late hit is not a clean hit