Tie Domi’s first two games

DuncanMacpherson

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As you see here on his DB page he played 2 nhl games in 89-90 and somehow had 42 PIMs, what the hell happened in those 2 games? Even if he had 4 fighting majors and 4 minor penalties which would be a wild start to an NHL career that’s still only 28 minutes. Does anyone know what went down in those 2 games? I couldnt find any info on it.
 
If misconduct type penalty count has PIM that could easily explain


He got a 10 min in the first period and 10 (misconduct) + 5 min (fighting) in the second period, that already 25 min.

10 min (misconduct again) in overtime.

A single regular 2 min has well for 37 min of penalty during his first game
 
The list of penalties in the boxscore for the first game is just insane.

I think it was the game where the two coaches (Jacques Demers and Doug Carpenter) were yelling at each other on the benches and it looked like the players were trying to stop them from getting into a fight.
 
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Well, ya figure, there's 60 minutes in a game...at 10 minutes a piece, you can find your way trouble ;)

Here's a newspaper account of the game (though the game might be out there somewhere)...

Yzerman lifts Wings over Leafs in slugfest

Saturday, March 03, 1990

GARY LOEWEN

Detroit MI -- BY GARY LOEWEN The Globe and Mail DETROIT The first place a hockey player feels intensity is in the fists.

That's the way it is when a couple of raucous rivals from the Norris Division meet - players work off their aggression with fights, scrums and macho posturing before getting down to the business of playing hockey.

But what the heck, it was entertaining.

The Detroit Red Wings and the Toronto Maple Leafs got most of the fisticuffs out of the way early, the Wings eventually prevailing in overtime, 3-2, in a rough, chippy game before a Joe Louis Arena crowd of 19,875.

The teams combined for 66 penalties and 272 minutes and at the conclusion, ill-tempered coaches Doug Carpenter and Jacques Demers, who had exchanged words during the game, took verbal shots at each other - each complaining of the other's tactics.

"Obviously their game plan was to take our best players off the ice," said Carpenter, who charged that Demers was showboating.

Jacques wanted to steal the show like he always does. I guess the players were getting too many accolades."

The Leaf coach also was upset with referee Ron Hoggarth, who presented the Wings with eight power plays and the Leafs with just two.

"Eight to two, it's absolutely ridiculous," Carpenter said.

Demers replied with a few jabs of his own, saying he was well aware of Carpenter's reputation as the perpetual innocent. Carpenter did dress an intimidating lineup of his own, calling up ruffian Tie Domi to support enforcer John Kordic.

"He's a cute little guy, always playing the martyr," Demers said of Carpenter.

"His player (Domi) challenges our bench and he's smirking. Nineteen Toronto Maple Leafs played a physical game, show class, and one guy playing his first NHL game challenges our bench twice and makes fun of us because we're not in the playoffs."

Domi's actions inspired the Wings to come back from a 2-1 disadvantage, Demers said.

The hockey portion of the evening was rather dull, though, in what was the opening round of an important two-round home-and-home series. The victory vaulted the Wings out of last place in the Norris for the first time since Oct. 28, one point ahead of Minnesota. Round two goes tonight at Maple Leaf Gardens.

Steve Yzerman scored the winner with 3:44 to play in overtime, converting Dave Barr's pass into the slot.

Ironically, in a game that took more than three hours to play, it was a delay-of-game penalty to Leaf goalie Jeff Reese that let the Wings back in the game in the third period.

Yzerman tied it, 2-2 at 8:00, on the ensuing power play after a nice rush by John Chabot.

The Leafs, in the meantime, managed their one and only third-period shot at Detroit goalie Tim Cheveldae at 13:58.

The Leafs showed more spark in overtime, as Mark Osborne tested Cheveldae on a two-on-one. They had a good scoring chance moments before Yzerman's winner.

Just two nights after the NHL's most penalized game in history in Los Angeles (85 infractions), the Leafs and Wings established a record pace, combining for 34 penalties and 132 minutes in the opening period.

But they managed just 15 penalties and 70 minutes in the second before blowing a shot at the title with a relatively incident-free third. After a couple of scraps in the overtime session, the teams finished with one of the highest penalty totals of the season. The Leafs had 36 infractions (six majors) and 146 minutes.

Domi was the individual leader with two minors, a major and three misconducts.

At one point in the first period, the Leafs had just three extra skaters on the bench.

Adding to the pro wrestling flavor, the coaches yapped at each other across the sheet of plexiglass separating the players' benches. Demers was so worked up he had to be restrained by assistant coach Dave Lewis.

"Why didn't he (come after me). I was there," Carpenter said.

Gilles Thibaudeau and Daniel Marois scored for the Leafs with Vincent Damphousse assisting on both.

Gerard Gallant extended his scoring streak to a career-high 10 games (seven goals, 19 points) with a second-period goal.

The Leafs held a narrow lead on most scorecards after a first period that took 51 minutes to play.

John Kordic led the Leaf attack, winning two fights. He was in trouble during the second one - against youngster Randy McKay - but, like a wily veteran, finished strongly.

On the undercard, Thibaudeau took an ill-advised sucker punch at tough guy Gallant then gave way to Scott Pearson, who was ejected as third-man in.

Brian Curran and Joey Kocur fought to a draw while rookie Domi tried his darndest to find a partner but struggled.

Domi took a cheap roughing minor and later talked his way into a 10- minute misconduct. He had better luck in the second period, squaring off with Kevin McClelland.

The Leafs carried their exuberance into the second, taking a pair of foolish penalties. Gallant capitalized on the second one, knocking in a loose puck at 3:50.

Thibaudeau tied it on a power play at 16:50 after Lee Norwood fanned on a clearing attempt in the goal crease.

Marois put the Leafs ahead at 19:31, beating Cheveldae with a stoppable slapper.
 
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Took 5 in the next game...
I would pay big money to attend this game. This is when I really miss the dropyourgloves site. They'd certainly have a video package for this game.

A fight 18 seconds into overtime!
 
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My favorite Domi memory - outside of pummeling a drunk Flyers fan who fell into the penalty box - was him screaming a warning at the Canucks bench, "Next game, don't dress Bure." :laugh:
 
My favorite Domi memory - outside of pummeling a drunk Flyers fan who fell into the penalty box - was him screaming a warning at the Canucks bench, "Next game, don't dress Bure." :laugh:

This was after Mike Peca absolutely destroyed Teemu Selanne with an open-ice hit and knocked him out cold.
 
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I love looking at the hilarious penalty-drenched box-scores of certain games from back then. Here's a classic from 1990 (only 356 minutes in penalties!):
Oilers @ Kings Box Score: Feb. 28, 1990
As much as we deride the barbaric practice of fighting and the dreadful concussions and brain damage they sometimes lead to, paradoxly, we were thoroughly entertained and those who never attended a game from say, 2004 or before, can't appreciate how satisfying it was to watch a game break out into a fight-filled gladiator match. We in the fanbase were like the legions sitting in Ancient Rome, screaming for more blood when teams decided to take matters in their own hands. There's almost a nostalgia, a yen to witness these games again.

David Koci, first NHL game - 42 PIM. TOI : 2 minutes and 31 seconds.

Try to beat this. :popcorn:
I believe if you are tossed out of the game, whatever time left on the clock is added to your PIM total. So if you are given a game misconduct at the very end of the 2nd period, you get 20 minutes tacked on to your PIM plus whatever regular penalties and misconducts you earned. I may be wrong but I think that is the case.
 
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The list of penalties in the boxscore for the first game is just insane.

I think it was the game where the two coaches (Jacques Demers and Doug Carpenter) were yelling at each other on the benches and it looked like the players were trying to stop them from getting into a fight.
 
I believe if you are tossed out of the game, whatever time left on the clock is added to your PIM total. So if you are given a game misconduct at the very end of the 2nd period, you get 20 minutes tacked on to your PIM plus whatever regular penalties and misconducts you earned. I may be wrong but I think that is the case.

No, It doesnt work (worked) that.
Here is a full list of his penalties:

02:52 CHI David Koci Fighting (maj) 5 min
09:30 CHI David Koci Roughing 2 min
15:04 CHI David Koci Fighting (maj) 5 min

3rd Period
02:50 CHI David Koci Charging (maj) 5 min
02:50 CHI David Koci Game misconduct 10 min
02:50 CHI David Koci Fighting (maj) 5 min
 
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No, It doesnt work (worked) that.
Here is a full list of his penalties:

02:52 CHI David Koci Fighting (maj) 5 min
09:30 CHI David Koci Roughing 2 min
15:04 CHI David Koci Fighting (maj) 5 min

3rd Period
02:50 CHI David Koci Charging (maj) 5 min
02:50 CHI David Koci Game misconduct 10 min
02:50 CHI David Koci Fighting (maj) 5 min
Wow, I think 3 fights got him the game misconduct. Still the math doesn't add up to 42 minutes.
 
You have a point. I checked it also on NHL.com and there is also 42 PIM.

But there is his misconduct 2 times. That should be the difference. Is that a error?

1st period: 2 min for roughing and then a misconduct 10 min
2nd period: 5 min for fighting and a 10 min misconduct
3rd period: 0 pens
OT: 10 min misconduct

Game overall: 37 min

2nd game: 5 min for fighting

Total: 2 + 5 + 5 + 10 + 10 + 10 = 42min

EDIT: Oh sorry we are talking about Koci now :laugh:

And I found out why kocis doesnt add up. He got two misconducts in the 3rd according to ESPN.
 
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