Those who wonder why Dubas waited to sign the big 3 now see why with Campbell.

[TheShape]

Sounded like Marner was willing to sign well before Matthews but not during season

Who knows, Ferris has always been vocal about having his clients play out their full ELC before re-signing and history has shown that.

 

[ACC1224]

Sounded like Marner was willing to sign well before Matthews but not during season

That's correct, 8.5 x 8.

 

[HockeyVirus]

While the jist of your argument is reasonable, the reality is that we are going to still end up paying Soup $5M+ per year.

Unfortunately, if we don't pay Soup closer to his asking price, the probability of some other team overpaying him is likely - especially a team in desperate need of goaltending. Cough, Oilers, cough....

0% and that is a firm 0% chance he gets 5M from the Leafs. Laughable.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Difference is unless you want Mrazek as your starter, it makes no sense not to have a starter signed.

Campbell signing before the season is still cheaper than Campbell today. Do you want Mrazek as our starter for the next 2 years? If not, you're going to have to pay him more when he's a UFA and free to field offers.

I for one am not entirely opposed to the idea of mrazek and another tandem option if Campbell underperforms/prices himself out of town. Mraz has won playoff rounds before.
Him & Husso or Holtby or who knows who might be available isn’t horrible.
Petr has a .917 his last 5 starts, which is when he started getting in games regularly. Four games scattered around the first 2 and half months doesn’t mean he sucks

 

[Morbo]

the whole panic over a big Campbell contract was invented whole cloth by the media.

there's no way Dubas was going to give him 6 million because Jack started the season hot. and yes, the last month or two we've seen why that is.

having said that, I'm not sure there's much comparison between him and the other guys contracts.

Campbell has a long way to go still to establish himself as a reliable starter here.

 

[Leaf Lander]

In fairness dubas doesn't really know what he is doing. He just isn't major league material and is learning on the job. That's why all his contracts have been handled horribly

Dubas literally thinks that all long term contracts should be 10 or 11 mil per yr and I'm not sure if he can count that high. But luckily he wears glasses and is about 7 feet tall. Well he looks 7 feet tall next to his 5'9 prospects that he wastes his first rnd picks on.


Realistically sign Campbell 3 mil a yr for 3 yrs
Max 4 mil a yr or bye bye bye

Warning there may be a little sarcasm in this diatribe against the evil dubbie; However ,its been 55 yrs since we won a cup thanks to Dubas and Shananana for extending the Stanley cup drought.

Leaf fans are dying leaf legends are dropping like flies but no rush lets milk leaf fans for more cash so we can funnel this to the ozarks or wherever betteman washes the leafs money to give to the American owners.

Where is the imperative to win? Nothing else matters

Ps you can't win with a bunch of floaters who only weigh 170 pounds and are a foot shorter then their gm. We need some playoff warriors on our team. Someone worthy of leafs Nation
Adoration!!

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

In fairness dubas doesn't really know what he is doing. He just isn't major league material and is learning on the job. That's why all his contracts have been handled horribly

Dubas literally thinks that all long term contracts should be 10 or 11 mil per yr and I'm not sure if he can count that high. But luckily he wears glasses and is about 7 feet tall. Well he looks 7 feet tall next to his 5'9 prospects that he wastes his first rnd picks on.


Realistically sign Campbell 3 mil a yr for 3 yrs
Max 4 mil a yr or bye bye bye

Warning there may be a little sarcasm in this diatribe against the evil dubbie; However ,its been 55 yrs since we won a cup thanks to Dubas and Shananana for extending the Stanley cup drought.

Leaf fans are dying leaf legends are dropping like flies but no rush lets milk leaf fans for more cash so we can funnel this to the ozarks or wherever betteman washes the leafs money to give to the American owners.

Where is the imperative to win? Nothing else matters

Ps you can't win with a bunch of floaters who only weigh 170 pounds and are a foot shorter then their gm. We need some playoff warriors on our team. Someone worthy of leafs Nation
Adoration!!

You decided to post all this at a time when we are 7-3 in our last 10, right there with all the top teams with games in hand, on pace for 117 pts (franchise best) and have probably the deepest prospect pool we've had in decades despite not having high picks?

These small prospects are doing a hell of a lot better than the fridges we drafted under Burke, Nonis and Lou.

 

[Leaf Lander]

You decided to post all this at a time when we are 7-3 in our last 10, right there with all the top teams with games in hand, on pace for 117 pts (franchise best) and have probably the deepest prospect pool we've had in decades despite not having high picks?

These small prospects are doing a hell of a lot better than the fridges we drafted under Burke, Nonis and Lou.

You forgot to say
Better in the regular season

 

[darrylsittler27]

The Leafs have won zero playoff rounds in how long? They live off regular season, get paid and tank

 

[Divine]

I for one am not entirely opposed to the idea of mrazek and another tandem option if Campbell underperforms/prices himself out of town. Mraz has won playoff rounds before.
Him & Husso or Holtby or who knows who might be available isn’t horrible.
Petr has a .917 his last 5 starts, which is when he started getting in games regularly. Four games scattered around the first 2 and half months doesn’t mean he sucks

He sucks.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

I would guess Campbell is better suited to be a number 2 goalie. It’s really hard to find good goalies. Look at us lol year after year looking for one.

Anyone have Ed Belfour's #.

 

[Funk21]

In fairness dubas doesn't really know what he is doing. He just isn't major league material and is learning on the job. That's why all his contracts have been handled horribly

Dubas literally thinks that all long term contracts should be 10 or 11 mil per yr and I'm not sure if he can count that high. But luckily he wears glasses and is about 7 feet tall. Well he looks 7 feet tall next to his 5'9 prospects that he wastes his first rnd picks on.


Realistically sign Campbell 3 mil a yr for 3 yrs
Max 4 mil a yr or bye bye bye

Warning there may be a little sarcasm in this diatribe against the evil dubbie; However ,its been 55 yrs since we won a cup thanks to Dubas and Shananana for extending the Stanley cup drought.

Leaf fans are dying leaf legends are dropping like flies but no rush lets milk leaf fans for more cash so we can funnel this to the ozarks or wherever betteman washes the leafs money to give to the American owners.

Where is the imperative to win? Nothing else matters

Ps you can't win with a bunch of floaters who only weigh 170 pounds and are a foot shorter then their gm. We need some playoff warriors on our team. Someone worthy of leafs Nation
Adoration!!

While I will concede with you that he and the team got burned on the first few contracts to arguably our biggest stars he has been able to navigate contract negotiations much better and by all accounts had a decent past offseason. Ritchie being the loan blemish IMO. While not a fan of the Mrazek deal I see what Dubas was thinking regarding the goalie Tandem. Campbell IMO is not an elite starter but I also think he is just a little worn down and going through a bad stretch. I think your projections in terms of AAV are a little light. Likely somewhere around 4.5-4.75x5 should be reasonable for both sides. Anything more than that you let him walk and try to land Husso in free agency or work a trade for Georgiev to see if he can be a true starter.

This team is so very close but fundamentally we do need to bolster our RHD. Holl won’t cut it and it’s time to cut bait. The question is can we find a top 4 RHD who has size and brings physicality to our line up and is signed for another 3/4 years at a reasonable AAV. I feel confident that at some point Liljegren will slide into that role as he has shown Flashes of that ability to make plays and add some physicality but right now he should be playing third pairing minutes. I also really like possibility of Neimela coming in in a few years too which makes me ask the question of who do we really go after? In an ideal world we trade Muzzin and bring in a player like Chychrun as he fits closer to our core.

My only gripe regarding Dubas is trading high end picks for players without term(Foligno and the number of seconds we have burned). Next year we are going to need some of our prospects to come in here and make an impact and that always a tough ask. When you look at our team we likely got hit the hardest by the pandemic and it’s impact on the Salary Cap due to us signing the core 4 long term. By now they were expecting the salary cap to be close to 90-95.

Dubas needs to either hit a home run and stand pat and keep the picks for offseason moves when prices may come down a bit or we can make some larger moves.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I mean it completely blew up in his face twice not to mention losing many UFAs for nothing. So weird flex.

Campbell also isn't a top prospect on an entry level deal.

So I have a question and I was just wondering about this as a non Leafs fan.

People mention all these ufas leaving and getting nothing back however don't you also think if you are constantly in the playoffs those teams tend to no trade and use those UFas as 'rentals'

I watch a lot of Steve Dangle because I find his network entertaining and they mention this constantly. I think as a fan I'd be pissed if my team is trading current players who would help me during playoffs.

Just trying to better understand.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Campbell is going to want term due to his age, and we'll want lower AVV. This contract should work itself out fine. If Campbell falls off this year dramatically, we probably don't re-sign him. If he continues to be good we have the flexibility to sign him to what he's worth

 

[Gary Nylund]

So I have a question and I was just wondering about this as a non Leafs fan.

People mention all these ufas leaving and getting nothing back however don't you also think if you are constantly in the playoffs those teams tend to no trade and use those UFas as 'rentals'

I watch a lot of Steve Dangle because I find his network entertaining and they mention this constantly. I think as a fan I'd be pissed if my team is trading current players who would help me during playoffs.

Just trying to better understand.

Opinions vary.

 

[ShaneFalco]

So I have a question and I was just wondering about this as a non Leafs fan.

People mention all these ufas leaving and getting nothing back however don't you also think if you are constantly in the playoffs those teams tend to no trade and use those UFas as 'rentals'

I watch a lot of Steve Dangle because I find his network entertaining and they mention this constantly. I think as a fan I'd be pissed if my team is trading current players who would help me during playoffs.

Just trying to better understand.

There was a few times when "going for it" seemed like a premature move. The team wasn't ready IMO. Mostly under Lou. But last year's go for it move was all about acquiring players, which failed miserably

 

[Gary Nylund]

Campbell is going to want term due to his age, and we'll want lower AVV. This contract should work itself out fine. If Campbell falls off this year dramatically, we probably don't re-sign him. If he continues to be good we have the flexibility to sign him to what he's worth

I hope you're right but the fact that this didn't get done last summer worries me.

 

[Buds17]

So I have a question and I was just wondering about this as a non Leafs fan.

People mention all these ufas leaving and getting nothing back however don't you also think if you are constantly in the playoffs those teams tend to no trade and use those UFas as 'rentals'

I watch a lot of Steve Dangle because I find his network entertaining and they mention this constantly. I think as a fan I'd be pissed if my team is trading current players who would help me during playoffs.

Just trying to better understand.

I agree. If anything, a contender is far more likely to bring in pending UFAs as opposed to trading theirs away. I'd always look to prioritize the potential for present success over that of the future (in trades) when the team is trying to make that push forward.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Opinions vary.

For sure we all have opinions. Just trying to get some insight.

There was a few times when "going for it" seemed like a premature move. The team wasn't ready IMO. Mostly under Lou. But last year's go for it move was all about acquiring players, which failed miserably

I totally agree. Personally I am more saying as in go for it. You stand pat no trades or a minor trade and you keep current ufas as rentals. As in you keep all your assets and don't gain any.

Only player I think should have been traded was Bozak instead of nothing. Besides that I think you keep all UFAs. Hard to keep a happy locker room at the top of the league by trading for futures.

Thats all. Big shame Flogino back problems and Tavares. I really do cheer for the Leafs to win a round and beat teams. Heck I want them to win a cup so they can stop being a punching bag.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I agree. If anything, a contender is far more likely to bring in pending UFAs as opposed to trading theirs away. I'd always look to prioritize the potential for present success over that of the future (in trades) when the team is trying to make that push forward.

Just finished making a comment see above/below.

Basically same words though I am perfectly fine not bringing in Big UFAs like Foligino and just standing by no assets lost.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

In fairness dubas doesn't really know what he is doing. He just isn't major league material and is learning on the job.

This is true to some extent and I've been calling out a lot of his trades since making an account here.

One thing I also pointed out though is Dubas is one of the best minds in the game. He fit in well with this team starting from last place. You gotta look at Dubas like a no.1 draft pick. It's worth going through his lows while learning on the job because when this guys in his late 30s, 40s, 50s, he will be near the top in anything executive based.

So even though I complain and will roast him if one of his moves pisses me off, I'm willing to push through the mistakes to reap all the benefits later on.

Let Dubas go today and there will be a swarm of teams trying to steal him. That's facts regardless who thinks otherwise.

 

[Buds17]

Just finished making a comment see above/below.

Basically same words though I am perfectly fine not bringing in Big UFAs like Foligino and just standing by no assets lost.

I fully supported all of the moves Dubas made to bolster the team last trade deadline. I wasn't particularly bothered by the assets traded away. I was bothered by the failure to win a round.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

I hope you're right but the fact that this didn't get done last summer worries me.

I think where I struggle is, if this summer Jack asked for 5Mx5 years, we are taking him to age 35. We signed that same contract to Freddie Andersen when he was 27 I believe. Freddie had more NHL games played and more impressive numbers at the time of signing compared to Jack this summer.

I have a hard time coming up with a case to not re-sign Campbell this summer, but this is my best Dubas defense. Maybe Dubas is worried about injuries/cold streaks/age, and he thinks Jack's ask this summer won't be that different from last summer. And this time, we'll have Jack's first full season as a starter where we can walk away if they don't like what they see.

 

[ShaneFalco]

This is true to some extent and I've been calling out a lot of his trades since making an account here.

One thing I also pointed out though is Dubas is one of the best minds in the game. He fit in well with this team starting from last place. You gotta look at Dubas like a no.1 draft pick. It's worth going through his lows while learning on the job because when this guys in his late 30s, 40s, 50s, he will be near the top in anything executive based.

So even though I complain and will roast him if one of his moves pisses me off, I'm willing to push through the mistakes to reap all the benefits later on.

Let Dubas go today and there will be a swarm of teams trying to steal him. That's facts regardless who thinks otherwise.

I agree but I think he's too attached to the core here. Another early exit and he still won't look at making a change. He'll be the change. He's loyal to a fault. Also not sure how after how Foligno worked out, he wanted to re-sign him. Same with Simmonds.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I think where I struggle is, if this summer Jack asked for 5Mx5 years, we are taking him to age 35. We signed that same contract to Freddie Andersen when he was 27 I believe. Freddie had more NHL games played and more impressive numbers at the time of signing compared to Jack this summer.

I have a hard time coming up with a case to not re-sign Campbell this summer, but this is my best Dubas defense. Maybe Dubas is worried about injuries/cold streaks/age, and he thinks Jack's ask this summer won't be that different from last summer. And this time, we'll have Jack's first full season as a starter where we can walk away if they don't like what they see.

Maybe Jack asked for that much, maybe not. No way for us to know but if he did ask for that then its not a good sign so hopefully that's not what happened.