Player Discussion Thomas Chabot (D) Part 2

[Tragedy]

I love how his mention triggers people.

Brannstrom! Brannstrom! BRANNSTROM!

Let's throw in a DA COSTA! for good measure.

Shane Prince shares a drink with Filatov somewhere in a Russian bar

 

[bicboi64]

Chabot's slapshot almost ripped off that poor Flames players arm off (Hanley?)

More of those and goalies will be ducking

 

[Xspyrit]

That definitely matches with the eye test, the team has looked lost without Chabot/Jensen on the ice offensively. Chabot has been the teams best player a quarter of the way through the season.

They have been the top pair for the past month and a half.

I'd say 2nd to Stutzle but yeah these 2 have easily been the team's best players, not close.

Looking at those Branny Sandstrom stats, it seems evident from the stats that Brann is the wiser defenceman to spend money on since he is one quarter the cost and just as good if not better. And if thats what the stats suggest, im asking for a 2nd opinion.

No that's not what it means. Nobody knows how he would fare in Chabot or Sanderson's role but is it smart to have him on your 3rd pairing or as a band aid anywhere in your defensive squad? Absolutely.

Also, that ES stat is NOT advanced stats, it is REAL production at Even Strength, an extremely valuable stat. He has outscored Sanderson in 10 less games and way less ice-time. Sure, Sanderson started at 20 y/o, is still in development and has a tougher role but nonetheless, it's still worth something.

Among 219 D-men who played at least 1000 ES mins since 2022-23, Brannstrom ranks 69th in points/60. He's been underrated even offensively. And before someone tries to diminish this stat, the Top-3 is Makar, Karlsson, Hughes. It gives you a good idea of who can produce at ES

When Sandstrom was drafted many were calling him a defensive defenceman. But he was always an all round dman whose great skating was going to surely get him involved in points. Im not expecting him to ever lead all defencemen in points, that's not the strength i thought he was drafted for.

Jan Sandstrom?

Regarding Sanderson, he's getting paid 8.05 AAV on his RFA years, he has to put up points. If he can only produce on the PP (11 of his 14 pts on the PP), it would be disappointing. We need ES production

I love how his mention triggers people.

Brannstrom! Brannstrom! BRANNSTROM!

Let's throw in a DA COSTA! for good measure.

Da Costa played 47 NHL games though, Brannstrom is 25 y/o and at 282 NHL GP

I would have rather paid Brannstrom at 2.0 than Hamonic at 1.1

 

[Ice-Tray]

It made me laugh thinking of holding on to Branstrom for offence.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

It made me laugh thinking of holding on to Branstrom for offence.

Why? He's a really skilled guy to have on the 3rd pair.

It is pretty valuable to have a 3rd pair that consistently outplays the other teams depth, and even more so when that player can play higher up in the lineup. Which is exactly what Brannstrom did.


People who don't understand Brannstroms game don't understand hockey IQ imo.

Even now how can anyone still say with a straight face that we don't need a Brannstrom.

Zub is injured, we are playing JBD or Hamonic in the top 4, Chabot will likely get injured. Like the season has already had a bad start but now it might be the nail in the coffin.

Pretty avoidable had we managed to keep Brannstrom.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Why? He's a really skilled guy to have on the 3rd pair.

It is pretty valuable to have a 3rd pair that consistently outplays the other teams depth, and even more so when that player can play higher up in the lineup. Which is exactly what Brannstrom did.


People who don't understand Brannstroms game don't understand hockey IQ imo.

Even now how can anyone still say with a straight face that we don't need a Brannstrom.

Zub is injured, we are playing JBD or Hamonic in the top 4, Chabot will likely get injured. Like the season has already had a bad start but now it might be the nail in the coffin.

Pretty avoidable had we managed to keep Brannstrom.

I understand hockey, and I understand Branstrom’s value.

He’s not a really skilled guy on the third pair. He’s an undersized, defender who isn’t great at defending, can’t box out bigger forwards, and can’t produce any offence. He can transition the puck nicely, and has a heart of a lion, but just isn’t very effective in the position at all.

JBD is a better RD than Branstrom is, and is paid a lot less than he was slated to be paid. Branstrom has been here for years. He has never been a difference maker in any bad season, why do you think he would be this year? You’re the one complaining about rolling back the core, and yet you think Branstrom is going to make a difference?

We don’t need Branstrom on this team in the slightest. He wouldn’t help with anything on D that we need help with. I’m glad he’s found a home in Vancouver as I like the guy and am pulling for him as I do for guys like him and Kelly, but there is limited value and there needs to be a team that has a temporary fit, and that isn’t us anymore, thankfully.

As for your IQ comment, In my opinion, people who are Brady haters don’t understand hockey IQ.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I understand hockey, and I understand Branstrom’s value.

He’s not a really skilled guy on the third pair. He’s an undersized, defender who isn’t great at defending, can’t box out bigger forwards, and can’t produce any offence. He can transition the puck nicely, and has a heart of a lion, but just isn’t very effective in the position at all.

JBD is a better RD than Branstrom is, and is paid a lot less than he was slated to be paid. Branstrom has been here for years. He has never been a difference maker in any bad season, why do you think he would be this year? You’re the one complaining about rolling back the core, and yet you think Branstrom is going to make a difference?

We don’t need Branstrom on this team in the slightest. He wouldn’t help with anything on D that we need help with. I’m glad he’s found a home in Vancouver as I like the guy and am pulling for him as I do for guys like him and Kelly, but there is limited value and there needs to be a team that has a temporary fit, and that isn’t us anymore, thankfully.

As for your IQ comment, In my opinion, people who are Brady haters don’t understand hockey IQ.

It's all about depth.

Zub is out now and hopefully you are right and JBD, Hamonic, Kleven can do well with more responsibility, otherwise we could have used Brannstrom. Brannstrom has a history of playing well in the top 4 and definitely did move the needle on the bottom pair.

I don't hate Brady I just don't like his defensive effort last few years.

 

[Ice-Tray]

It's all about depth.

Zub is out now and hopefully you are right and JBD, Hamonic, Kleven can do well with more responsibility, otherwise we could have used Brannstrom. Brannstrom has a history of playing well in the top 4 and definitely did move the needle on the bottom pair.

I don't hate Brady I just don't like his defensive effort last few years.

Like I said, I like Bran, but moving on from him was the right play in my opinion. His contract was too high, and he doesn’t bring what we need on the bottom pairing. With a healthy defence he isn’t playing, and at this point in his career he needs to be on a team that has a spot for him.

it would be nice to have good players waiting in the wings for when injuries hit, but it’s not really realistic with the cap and roster limits. We couldn’t afford a 7-8 guy at 2 mill, and we should probably be giving injury time to AHL guys when it comes up. So far our LDs have been good, and healthy, so I’m not sure if Branny would even have a game with us so far.

I wish him well, and I appreciate your comments on having depth, but when we’re talking about 7-8 position guys, we really should be talking about drafting better so we have better young talent to call up for injuries.

 

[Xspyrit]

It made me laugh thinking of holding on to Branstrom for offence.

And it makes me laugh when people throw these little sentence without any substance. You didn’t see the STATISTIC I provided? It was not only an advanced stat that a lot of hockey fans don’t even understand, it was a pure cold straight fact.

I said « I know some people won't like that but, since 2022-23 :

Sanderson : 40 ESP in 176 GP, 16:57 ES TOI/GP

Brannstrom : 42 ESP in 166 GP, 14:12 ES TOI/GP

Chabot : 53 ESP in 139 GP, 20:19 ES TOI/GP »


I cut some stats to simplify but if you know what ESP, GP and TOI means… this stat is very telling and nullifies your point instantly

Which brings me to my MAIN point about all this :

It was stupid to let go Brannstrom just so TWO of Hamonic, Kleven and JBD would play every game of the season (all play is one injury)

I’d love to see someone trying to debunk that