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Magua said:
Seravalli said #25 OR #29. So, you say it would have been #29, but the insider reporting the scoop apparently wasn't as sure as you. Now, you say the 2024 2nd in the trade -- which is pretty damn important -- would have been the Leafs pick. The Blues have their 2024 2nd too. You don't know. Either way, if it was even #29+2nd, that's ammo for a trade up. I don't think the Blues wanted to use their late picks, and they drafted like a team that didn't want to use their picks. They very well could've offered #25, if it was a dealbreaker.

At least we are making progress from: "No team was trading a 1+2 for Scott *pause for effect* Laughton." They'll assuredly get less now, and my point stands about the quality of the board.
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Do you think it's credible that any team offered a 1st and 2nd for Laughton?

I mean look at trades where teams offered that kind of deal, it was for players far better, so I simply refuse to believe that was the deal, part of a deal, yes, with other players, a cap dump, etc. I mean they may like Laughton, but if that was the deal, I can't imagine Briere saying nah, we really need him to miss the playoffs by 10-15 points (since they knew Hart was going to get suspended at some point and they didn't think it was a playoff team anyway).

More likely they started with a bigger deal with Laughton as one of the pieces, it fell apart, then the Sanheim deal, Krug wouldn't waive, then St Louis probably said we'll take Hayes off your hands and Briere said good riddance (I don't think they disliked Hayes personally, just that he was an awful fit and Briere needed the cap room).
 
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Anyone have some specific young players or prospects they would target in deadline deals ?
 
Psuhockey said:
Not just that but now 5 of 6 of their top 3 line wingers positions are set long term: Farabee, Foerster, Michkov, Tippett, and then Konecny. Where will the elite talent upgrades they say they need play?
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Honestly that's a pretty good group lol. Issue is finding that 1C and 1D now
 
If you have a lot of picks and scout well, you're going to find some good starters.

If you don't draft well, then tanking won't help, JVR (#2), Provorov (#7), Patrick (#2) really moved the needle.
In a redraft, Farabee (#14), and TK (#24) would go in the top 10.

NJ had those top picks, somehow a 6th rd pick is leading them in scoring, again.

Briere just has to keep his eye on the prize, keep accumulating assets, when the time is ripe, and the pipeline is full, he can package a 1st, 2nd and two B+ prospects for a 2C with upside or 1st pair D-man. It's done all the time. Just no rentals or players near 30 years old.
 
Hollywood Cannon said:
We’re still doing that thing where we don’t believe one of, if not, the most well respected reporters because it makes the team look bad so it can’t possibly be real?
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I personally don’t believe it / don’t believe all the components were reported (ie. we would’ve been taking back a big cap dump) because

1) it doesn’t make sense, that’s an absurd valuation for Laughton

2) the sole original report on it is Seravalli basically glossing over it in the 48th minute of a 50 minute long podcast. Says he knows a late 1st was on the table and was told a future 2nd was also offered. There’s zero further discussion. They immediately return to TK discussion.

The entire segment was a puff piece for the Flyers. Seravalli indicated TK was in his view the most valuable trade piece available in the offseason. More valuable than DeBrincat the prior summer. They compared Sanheim favorably to Severson, who just signed an identical contract. It sounds exactly like the type of value inflation and “getting names out there” that top insiders do as service to GMs so that they’re able to get scoops when a trade actually goes down.

And help me draw the lines here… we wouldn’t trade Laughton for a 1 & a 2 last summer because he was essential to the culture. But now that the team has actually outperformed (under sanheim’s leadership), we’ve suddenly decided that that leadership is no longer important and we’re ready to dump him for only a first? That makes no sense. The only way that tracks is if they actually overvalued him due to his play last year and are now willing to move him because he regressed, leadership be damned. But when this team overvalues someone, it’s usually clear. See Cates getting first and 2nd line time. Laughton has been on the 3rd / 4th line virtually the entire year. He may have moved above that for like a game or 2 due to injuries IIRC, but that’s it. They seem to know what he is.
 
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I have seen nothing that suggests that Briere is not in charge.

Briere is the one constantly at Phantom games, not Torts, which suggests he's making the decisions about promotions/demotions.

Briere makes the trades, runs the draft, etc.

Torts runs the team, but he constantly confers with Briere, and they seem to be on the same page. Brink played his way off the Flyers, 35% xGF his last 15 games simply isn't NHL caliber play.
When Lycksell came up, he was put on the 3rd line, not buried on the 4th line - they both want to see what he can do.

Jones also seems on the same page, everything he has said has been to support Briere's approach and moves.

All three have been clear that while they're pleasantly surprised with how well the team has played, they don't consider it a "real" playoff team and they'll continue to rebuild.
 
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