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FlyerNutter said:
Moving Hart is fine but the time of secondary pieces, or winning trades on volume needs to end.

This organization is obsessed with volume.

Hart is a proven #1 goaltender in the league at this point. Package him with other assets if need be but the Flyers need to come away with real talent moving on from any premier trade piece of their own.

No more second line/pairing BS.
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I mean it's extremely unlikely that anyone is going to trade any proven young players with high end potential or true blue chip prospects for Carter Hart. That just doesn't happen, especially with a young goalie on an expiring (albeit RFA) contract. They should be able to get good value, but think about being on the other end. If we think we are close to a Cup which I would assume anyone trading for Hart is, are the Flyers going to give up Michkov + a first for him, or even straight up? Of course not. Their version of that would probably be Brandt Clarke? No chance they are trading a potential #1 defenseman for Carter Hart. Not a knock on Hart, but it just doesn't happen. Hart is a good goalie, but he isn't Patrick Roy, Henrik Lundqvist, etc. He's definitely a #1 goalie and will be for a long time, but he isn't going to nab a true blue chip prospect or proven young NHL player with high end potential.

If Briere can get that kind of return, great, but expectations shouldn't be that high. I think a 1st, A/B prospect, and a young NHLer is about as good as we can expect.
 
DrinkFightFlyers said:
I mean it's extremely unlikely that anyone is going to trade any proven young players with high end potential or true blue chip prospects for Carter Hart. That just doesn't happen, especially with a young goalie on an expiring (albeit RFA) contract. They should be able to get good value, but think about being on the other end. If we think we are close to a Cup which I would assume anyone trading for Hart is, are the Flyers going to give up Michkov + a first for him, or even straight up? Of course not. Their version of that would probably be Brandt Clarke? No chance they are trading a potential #1 defenseman for Carter Hart. Not a knock on Hart, but it just doesn't happen. Hart is a good goalie, but he isn't Patrick Roy, Henrik Lundqvist, etc. He's definitely a #1 goalie and will be for a long time, but he isn't going to nab a true blue chip prospect or proven young NHL player with high end potential.

If Briere can get that kind of return, great, but expectations shouldn't be that high. I think a 1st, A/B prospect, and a young NHLer is about as good as we can expect.
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It's what I mean.

Hart (if they choose to move him), doesn't have to be moved alone. Add to him. They have various first round picks, or youngsters.

Talent is what needs to return in any deal, because he is probably their best, and most realistic trade piece if there is continued foolish hesitation to move on from a high mileage prime Konecny.
 
JojoTheWhale said:
It gets doubly tricky when you're reading small sample size metrics from a team like Montreal, but Xhekaj had some legitimately good defensive impacts in a sub-20 game sample size this year.

Unfortunately, he was also HORRENDOUS in a ~50 game sample size last year. Impressively terrible. Nadir Marc Staal bad. And of course there's no reason to trust that they'd be acquiring him for positive reasons.
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If they're acquiring him for Name Reasons it is good. Good process, great result.
 
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Goaltenders have no value in this league. There Is no reasonable return for Hart that we would get. When was the last time a goalie even returned a 1st round pick?
 
BritainStix said:
Goaltenders have no value in this league. There Is no reasonable return for Hart that we would get. When was the last time a goalie even returned a 1st round pick?
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2015? Lehner for a 1st?

2023, CBJ and LA trade involving Quick and Korpisalo but that's not a straightforward one.

Edit: 2021, Kuemper netted Arizona a 1st and 3rd
 
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Even if goalies don't go for great value, we are going to have to face that reality eventually (Assuming Hart and Ersson remain legitimate starters).

I can understand an argument for wanting to give Ersson more time before making our decision in net, but an RFA Hart feels more moveable than when he's on his upcoming contract.
 
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BritainStix said:
Goaltenders have no value in this league. There Is no reasonable return for Hart that we would get. When was the last time a goalie even returned a 1st round pick?
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Hart (assuming the HC investigation thing isn't an issue) is a rare case of a young and proven goalie being on the block. He isn't a prospect or unproven, he isn't at the end of his prime. If they trade him they'll get a 1st+ for him. The question is just how much more than that. If they can't get that, then there is absolutely no reason to trade him. Rebuild or not you don't trade away a franchise goalie that is still an RFA for mid round picks. That makes zero sense given his age. If he was toward the end of his prime and not entering it, then yeah get whatever you can. But dealing him just to deal him doesn't make sense. You trade him because he is the most valuable asset we have.
 
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I think they’ll get a 1st for Hart.

And I think he’ll be traded before next season, as long as the Hockey Canada situation doesn’t preclude it.
 
BillDineen said:
Jonesey talked up Hunter MacDonald again on the PHLY podcast today. Maybe Risto becomes expendable soon enough and they pass on Xhekaj types if available to overpay for
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Easy to forget about MacDonald with his missing most of this season, but they do seem to like him.
 
Just finished the PHLY interview with Jonesy:

1. Sounded like the front office is still intent on selling, he mentioned the Colorado game as a reminder that Flyers aren’t there yet. Mentioned that guys have over performed and made them change their minds on a few of them

2. Likes the young D core, mentioned Hunter McDonald and called him a beast. Also said Bonk was more of a defensive d men who is now figuring out offense?

3. Bob Murray’s job is to scout defensemen anywhere in the world. Wherever he wants. Org has full trust in him

4. Feels bad for Flyers locker room but believes Danny was clear in level setting, “players have over performed BUT we’re building for future”. Standing by whats best long term, but will keep evaluating individual players

5. Already offers for players, a lot of interest in guys. Its a credit to the players
 
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usahockey22flyers said:
Just finished the PHLY interview with Jonesy:

1. Sounded like the front office is still intent on selling, he mentioned the Colorado game as a reminder that Flyers aren’t there yet. Mentioned that guys have over performed and made them change their minds on a few of them

2. Likes the young D core, mentioned Hunter McDonald and called him a beast. Also said Bonk was more of a defensive d men who is now figuring out offense?

3. Bob Murray’s job is to scout defensemen anywhere in the world. Wherever he wants. Org has full trust in him

4. Feels bad for Flyers locker room but believes Danny was clear in level setting, “players have over performed BUT we’re building for future”. Standing by whats best long term, but will keep evaluating individual players

5. Already offers for players, a lot of interest in guys. Its a credit to the players
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Who gets shipped out will tell us a lot.
Edit to say what they take back will too.
 
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usahockey22flyers said:
Just finished the PHLY interview with Jonesy:

1. Sounded like the front office is still intent on selling, he mentioned the Colorado game as a reminder that Flyers aren’t there yet. Mentioned that guys have over performed and made them change their minds on a few of them

2. Likes the young D core, mentioned Hunter McDonald and called him a beast. Also said Bonk was more of a defensive d men who is now figuring out offense?

3. Bob Murray’s job is to scout defensemen anywhere in the world. Wherever he wants. Org has full trust in him

4. Feels bad for Flyers locker room but believes Danny was clear in level setting, “players have over performed BUT we’re building for future”. Standing by whats best long term, but will keep evaluating individual players

5. Already offers for players, a lot of interest in guys. Its a credit to the players
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Just to be sure, this is the Hunter McDonald a few on here have mentioned as being of particular interest to the Flyers FO, right?
A big-bodied defenseman known for his physical style of play and strong work ethic. McDonald possesses a fringe sixth or seventh defenseman ceiling at the NHL level.
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Has he grown into an actual hockey playing style?
 
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usahockey22flyers said:
Just finished the PHLY interview with Jonesy:

1. Sounded like the front office is still intent on selling, he mentioned the Colorado game as a reminder that Flyers aren’t there yet. Mentioned that guys have over performed and made them change their minds on a few of them

2. Likes the young D core, mentioned Hunter McDonald and called him a beast. Also said Bonk was more of a defensive d men who is now figuring out offense?

3. Bob Murray’s job is to scout defensemen anywhere in the world. Wherever he wants. Org has full trust in him

4. Feels bad for Flyers locker room but believes Danny was clear in level setting, “players have over performed BUT we’re building for future”. Standing by whats best long term, but will keep evaluating individual players

5. Already offers for players, a lot of interest in guys. Its a credit to the players
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Goes to show you this is not your father's (or mine generation) Flyers, if Jones is saying this, after Torts and Briere said this, the triumvirate is on the same page and Hilferty has given them the green light.

Everything about Bonk pre-draft stressed his IQ and defensive prowess, his offense has probably been a very pleasant surprise. Full sized two way RHDs are pretty rare.

I'm sure they have "offers," but things won't heat up until you get close to the TDL, right now I suspect most of these offers are more feelers, setting things up when teams have a better idea whether they're buyers or sellers.
 
usahockey22flyers said:
Just finished the PHLY interview with Jonesy:

1. Sounded like the front office is still intent on selling, he mentioned the Colorado game as a reminder that Flyers aren’t there yet. Mentioned that guys have over performed and made them change their minds on a few of them

2. Likes the young D core, mentioned Hunter McDonald and called him a beast. Also said Bonk was more of a defensive d men who is now figuring out offense?

3. Bob Murray’s job is to scout defensemen anywhere in the world. Wherever he wants. Org has full trust in him

4. Feels bad for Flyers locker room but believes Danny was clear in level setting, “players have over performed BUT we’re building for future”. Standing by whats best long term, but will keep evaluating individual players

5. Already offers for players, a lot of interest in guys. Its a credit to the players
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That’s alarming to me but I’m sure it’s fine.
 
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