Blue Jays Discussion: The trade deadline has passed. Time to see what this can do (most acquisitions expected to be present Thursday in Minnesota)

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Thats a good observation. This team did have some holes that weren't addressed. One of the main ones was a lacklustar BP that management believes doesn't matter.
Still even if this team was overrated and I said the media already crowned them before the season started, it's up to management to fix issues and they just didn't. We can't wait for them to get rolling, this is what they are it seems and it's team that can't matchup with the great teams.

I guess the way management looks at it is that the best move for this team would be having their own guys perform better. If those guys don't perform, is there anything that would make a realistic difference, and I think given how many different areas are struggling, that answer is no.

So instead it looks like he decided to go conservative and make moves which can still help if those guys do figure it out, but can still make a difference for next year and beyond too in case they don't.
 
All of that is true. It's mid August now though. Aren't we at the point where they are what they are, rather than a team that's really good that just hasn't "clicked"? Top end teams do exactly what the Jays have been unable to do - have all of the pieces working together and producing extended winning streaks.

Teams can be incredibly good on paper but not perform to their projections. You can run this same team out next season and they could easily end up +10 in the win column. Plus I think the AL this season has seen an incredible amount of variance in team ability. The White Sox were big favourites to win their division. The Red Sox, Angels, Rangers, and Tigers (maybe less so) were expected to compete for WC spots. The O’s were expected to have another rebuilding season, and I’m pretty sure the Guardians weren’t on anyone’s radar to compete at their current level.
 
Yeah I was just going to post about Giles. If I’m Atkins I’m making a call to his agent. We need this guy
 
You could have Giles for the 7th or in high leverage in a tight game in the kiddie innings and then go to Bass/Mayza depending on matchup, and Romano

I meant middle innings
 
Teams can be incredibly good on paper but not perform to their projections. You can run this same team out next season and they could easily end up +10 in the win column. Plus I think the AL this season has seen an incredible amount of variance in team ability. The White Sox were big favourites to win their division. The Red Sox, Angels, Rangers, and Tigers (maybe less so) were expected to compete for WC spots. The O’s were expected to have another rebuilding season, and I’m pretty sure the Guardians weren’t on anyone’s radar to compete at their current level.

As they say: "That's why they play the games".

Projections are projections. Every year there are teams that surprise and disappoint. Sometimes it's a fluke, sometimes it's injuries, but often it's because the experts and fans overestimated or underestimated the team's abilities.

I think it's possible the offence could bounce back, but there have been long-standing concerns about the lack of lefties and having too much swing-and-miss. The bullpen was a big concern. The rotation has disappointed but you can make the case that besides Berrios there haven't been any surprises and in fact Stripling has been a positive surprise. You can ask a question that with a number of flaws on this team, why did so many experts rate the team so highly?

Again, I was high on the team too, but when I watch the team it just doesn't pass the eye test as a top tier team. There are too many issues that need to be addressed. The good thing is that they have assets and options and I think they can improve the team in the off-season to become a contender. Maybe everything clicks and they can do something in the post-season, I just haven't seen any indication that they're capable aside from having a fluke hot streak like any decent team can.
 
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As they say: "That's why they play the games".

Projections are projections. Every year there are teams that surprise and disappoint. Sometimes it's a fluke, sometimes it's injuries, but often it's because the experts and fans overestimated or underestimated the team's abilities.

I think it's possible the offence could bounce back, but there have been long-standing concerns about the lack of lefties and having too much swing-and-miss. The bullpen was a big concern. The rotation has disappointed but you can make the case that besides Berrios there haven't been any surprises and in fact Stripling has been a positive surprise. You can ask a question that with a number of flaws on this team, why did so many experts rate the team so highly?

Again, I was high on the team too, but when I watch the team it just doesn't pass the eye test as a top tier team. There are too many issues that need to be addressed. The good thing is that they have assets and options and I think they can improve the team in the off-season to become a contender. Maybe everything clicks and they can do something in the post-season, I just haven't seen any indication that they're capable aside from having a fluke hot streak like any decent team can.

The offence lacking lefties and having too much swing and miss are fallacies once you dive deeper and realize that they’re better against RHPs than LHPs this season and they’re one of the best teams in making connect and not striking out.

Over the past two seasons Kikuchi may not have produced well, but his underlying numbers were okay and he was capable of eating innings. This year his BB/9 and HR/9 exploded and he’s been worse than anyone could’ve imagined. Ryu was also far worse than what one would’ve expected and now he’s out for likely the rest of his contract. Berrios, we all expected better. Even if Kikuchi flamed out, having innings eaten up at a 4.0-4.5 era range from Berrios and Ryu would’ve been essential. It could’ve moved Kikuchi from the rotation or have Stripling be used as the longman instead of Thornton. Our starters have thrown 50-60 less innings than most of the top starting staffs and that’s negatively impacted the bullpen. Too often they’ve had to rely on Thornton, Richards, Lawrence, Beasley, et. al to eat up innings and/or be used in higher leverage situations because starters couldn’t last or better relief options were unavailable.
 
Do we have any players at the end of their contract after this year? Just wondering about salaries for the next year. After what's happening this year I find it hard to believe they spend anymore money.
 
Do we have any players at the end of their contract after this year? Just wondering about salaries for the next year. After what's happening this year I find it hard to believe they spend anymore money.
You can find Toronto Blue Jays players' salaries for the next year at the following website:

 
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Do we have any players at the end of their contract after this year? Just wondering about salaries for the next year. After what's happening this year I find it hard to believe they spend anymore money.
Everyone is basically under contract next year as well except Stripling, who you'd likely want to keep given how good he has been. We can qualify or extend him.

Bass has a cheap team option we will pick up as well.
 


I mean, that's fine. Try whatever you want, it's only a minor league deal. But like... he's been genuinely awful this year and like, what can he do that Lukes can't.
 
Do we have any players at the end of their contract after this year? Just wondering about salaries for the next year. After what's happening this year I find it hard to believe they spend anymore money.
This is my one actual fear. That management holds back or second guesses. But if they are spending all that money on the stadium they will want to recover some of that. The worse this goes the crazier our off season is likely to be.
 
In first week of pro ball, Blue Jays prospect Doughty delivers on 'King Cade' moniker - Sportsnet.ca

TORONTO — As a bigger kid pretty set in his ways, Cade Doughty could be a handful growing up, so much so that his mom, Jennifer, came up with a nickname for him — King Cade.

“I think I was a little bit of a brat, to be honest,” admits the Toronto Blue Jays infield prospect drafted in the second round, 78th overall, last month. “It was just me being a kid that knew what he wanted to do and didn't really have much care for anything else.”


The nickname stuck, even as childhood stubbornness evolved into the dogged determination that became one of the 21-year-old’s trademarks during three seasons at Louisiana State University, or LSU. It was there, after Jennifer mentioned it to the program’s media staff, the King Cade moniker really took off, especially as he built a reputation for delivering big hits the past three seasons, when he batted .301 with 30 homers, 31 doubles, 124 RBI and 104 runs in 133 games.

“I can't express enough how excited that makes her and just seeing King Cade brings back memories of when I was little,” he says. “She is full on board and she loves it.”

What Doughty loves right now is his introduction to pro ball, having just completed his first week of games with low-A Dunedin. He’s off to a nice start, going 7-for-18 with a homer, six RBIs and three walks on a team now stocked with several other players from his draft class, fellow second-round infielder Josh Kasevich, third-round outfielder Alan Roden, seventh-round first baseman Peyton Williams and ninth-round reliever Devereaux Harrison among them.


The group went through a two-week draft camp immediately after signing before being assigned to various stops — first-rounder Brandon Barriera, for example, is still building up at the club’s Player Development Complex in Dunedin, Fla. — giving them a chance to bond.

“That was an awesome experience,” Doughty says of the camp. “It was really cool to build a relationship with the players that I’m now playing with and meeting new guys on the team as well. We already feel connected on the field.”

Focuses during the introductory camp included learning the pro ball lifestyle and developing routines, two things Doughty believes he was well prepared for at LSU, a program he says, “I was pretty much born into.” All four of his grandparents went to the school as did both of his parents, with his dad Richard also catching for the Tigers. Older brother Braden also caught for the club, while great-grandfather Frank played basketball at the school.

Under head coach Jay Johnson, the Tigers used several drills similar to those Doughty has encountered with the Blue Jays and he had also started diving into advanced technologies to further his hitting. At the Baseball Performance Lab in Baton Rouge, for instance, he started using force-plate data to better understand how he was leveraging his 6-1, 195-pound frame.

“I found that I wasn't maximizing when my front foot lands, I wasn't having enough torque,” Doughty explains. “I was able to improve that tremendously. That was just one of the things that I've kind of learned so far.”

The Blue Jays’ hitting lab at the complex offers even more tools and, as a hitter looking to gain every edge possible, Doughty intends to lean in. “I'm very curious and open-minded to new things,” he says.
 
Starting pitching over the last 9 games

37.2 innings pitched
7.46 ERA
1.71 WHIP
.322 Opponents batting average

You can stretch it further to the start of the 2nd half. No SP under 4.00 ERA except for Mitch White (3.86). Over that same stretch the Jays pen has the 2nd lowest ERA behind the Guardians (2.59). Yes their peripheral stats are poor, but based on results we can't necessarily place blame on what many believe to be the weakest part of the team. The starting lineup is not optimal, with many bats going cold (Kirk, Biggio, Tapia, Jansen, Espinal, Merrifield) and impacting crucial offensive opportunities, but the SP have clearly been the weakest link lately. Even if you can't rely on Berrios (at least consistently)/Kikuchi for the rest of this season, you need more shutdown innings from Gausman and Manoah.
 
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