Player Discussion The Slaf Thread - Parabolic Growth Edition

[The Gr8 Dane]

Logan Cooley at 1oa would have been a completely off the wall pick. Mckenzies list had 5 for slaf, 4 for wright and one for cooley.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Anyway, I'm a big fan of Slaf and I believe that he will dominate in this league, but Slaf and Cooley are not even the best players from 2022 draft, it's....

Lane FREAKING Hutson !!!!!!!!

A re-draft of 2022 would be like re-ordering the 7 Dwarves from alphabetically to by height.

 

[LaP]

A re-draft of 2022 would be like re-ordering the 7 Dwarves from alphabetically to by height.

Re-draft before 5 years have passed are stupid anyway. It is my opinion that anyone doing a re-draft before d+5 doesn't know what he is doing.

Here's a 2018 redraft done in 2021

2018 NHL Re-Draft: Svechnikov up, Dahlin down in do-over

Chris Peters looks back at the 2018 Draft to determine who would’ve went where if teams had it to do...

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Joel Farabe 5th. Even Bouchard 10th. Dobson 12th. Redraft before d+5 are stupid.

 

[Frank Drebin]

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Yes, cooley was the consensus 3 overall pick as i said

 

[zzoo]

Logan Cooley at 1oa would have been a completely off the wall pick. Mckenzies list had 5 (first place votes) for slaf, 4 for wright and one for cooley.

Solely based on yesterday game, Cooley was better than Slaf.
Back to the 2022 draft, I was hesitant between Cooley and Wright. 35% for Cooley, 35% for Wright, 30% for Slaf.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Solely based on yesterday game, Cooley was better than Slaf.
Back to the 2022 draft, I was hesitant between Cooley and Wright. 35% for Cooley, 35% for Wright, 30% for Slaf.

Gun to head
Who do you pick at #1 overall today

 

[EtLeBut2]

We dodged the Kotkamiemi contract only to have the Kotkamiemi contract at home

 

[Ozmodiar]

Re-draft before 5 years have passed are stupid anyway. It is my opinion that anyone doing a re-draft before d+5 doesn't know what he is doing.

Here's a 2018 redraft done in 2021

2018 NHL Re-Draft: Svechnikov up, Dahlin down in do-over

Chris Peters looks back at the 2018 Draft to determine who would’ve went where if teams had it to do...

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Joel Farabe 5th. Even Bouchard 10th. Dobson 12th. Redraft before d+5 are stupid.

Re-drafts after d+5 are also stupid.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Re drafts experts think Cooley would have anything close to his 61pts in 104gp with the Habs.

In reality he would be at like .3 ppg and we would wonder why we let Slaf go in the Cooley discussion thread.

 

[1909]

We dodged the Kotkamiemi contract only to have the Kotkamiemi contract at home

You cannot compare both players. Anyway, Slaf's contract is bigger and longer.

 

[habbubba]

Got to feel a bit bad for the big goofball, who can't relate to that it takes a good third of the season to remember how to play the game that you've been playing since being a child.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

We dodged the Kotkamiemi contract only to have the Kotkamiemi contract at home

Worse. Dollar for dollar, Kotkaniemi is a better player than Slafkovsky in terms of overall impact and hockey sense when contracts are taken into consideration.

Philly healthy scratched Michkov couple of games best thing ever happened to him. We could do same with Slaf or Dach

Indeed; if one team can do it to a far superior young player, the Canadiens can do it to Slafkovsky.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

What was you opinion of Subban's 9 millions contract?

He was worthy of the nine million before he signed his bridge deal because he had proven while on his entry level contract that he was a Norris calibre defenseman based on all the advanced metrics, the eye test, and more. We could have had him for 7.5 but for the bridge deal, and that would have been a steal before injuries accumulated and his play fell off.

No one since Subban has proven more on his entry level deal with the Habs, certainly not Slafkovsky.

 

[70Stang]

This probably won't go over well but its time Slaf played 10 games in Laval. Play that lazy guy 24+ min a game. Give him so much ice time he pukes all over himself. That is the fix. Stop treating him like he is something special. He needs to be brought down a peg and honestly some humble pie will be good in the long run. Patches was in same situation as Slaf when we first came up. The problem is the current management doesn't have the ability to do the right thing. Kid need to learn to skate with his head up and not toe pic every 6 strides. That type of confidence can only happen in Laval. Most of the time you see him he is standing still or making one hand lazy plays.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Can you explain to me how a bridge contract makes sense?

We dont need the cap space now. We need it in years 3-8 of his contract. So we bridge him, save cap now when we don't need it, and if he is a superstar in 3 years we pay him 12-13 million per year?

Versus:

Paying extra now when we don't need it, and risking him becoming a mediocre top 6 player only worth 5-6 million in 2028?

To me, one of these options has a significantly higher cap risk than the other. Unless we think that Slaf is a junk asset not even worth hanging on to past RFA.

Here's the situation where a bridge deal works

He signs cheap for 2-3 years and improves steadily but not to superstar level. Then when he is 23-24 we get to sign him for 8mil x 8years, or whatever his value is, and we have him locked up until he is 31-32+. Currently, he will be a UFA at 29 and will be looking to cash in on another 7-8 year deal later that will take him to retirement.

Three ways the long term extension fails:
1. He never becomes worthy of the current AAV
2. He walks as a UFA at 29
3. He extorts us for a ridiculous high AAV 7-8 year contract extension at age 29 and isn't worth it for the last few years

 

[Shred]

Slaf scores! Who still wants to trade him straight up for Cooley now?

 

[Frank Drebin]

Here's the situation where a bridge deal works

He signs cheap for 2-3 years and improves steadily but not to superstar level. Then when he is 23-24 we get to sign him for 8mil x 8years, or whatever his value is, and we have him locked up until he is 31-32+. Currently, he will be a UFA at 29 and will be looking to cash in on another 7-8 year deal later that will take him to retirement.

Three ways the long term extension fails:
1. He never becomes worthy of the current AAV
2. He walks as a UFA at 29
3. He extorts us for a ridiculous high AAV 7-8 year contract extension at age 29 and isn't worth it for the last few years

You think he's going to sign for a similar amount at 23-24 when the cap is 100+ million?

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

You think he's going to sign for a similar amount at 23-24 when the cap is 100+ million?

The amount he signed for his about what his value is projected to be in 3-4 years, it all depends on how he does.

If progress is Up Only then of course long term makes sense, if you aren't certain how good he will be bridge makes sense

 

[Frank Drebin]

The amount he signed for his about what his value is projected to be in 3-4 years, it all depends on how he does.

If progress is Up Only then of course long term makes sense, if you aren't certain how good he will be bridge makes sense

In 3-4 years if he’s a 50 point player he’s going to sign for 5.5-6 million ish, which saves us 1.5 - 2 per year for those last 5 years. IF we don’t pay for potential then again.

If he turns into a physical 80+point beast perhaps red hot in the first half of his contract year what is saying he doesn’t ask for the equivalent of what nylander got? That could be in the 12-13m range.

There is risk in this deal

Way, way more risk in a bridge deal

You can say you’re not sold on the player without suggesting a bridge deal which is frankly, dumb

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

In 3-4 years if he’s a 50 point player he’s going to sign for 5.5-6 million ish, which saves us 1.5 - 2 per year for those last 5 years. IF we don’t pay for potential then again.

If he turns into a physical 80+point beast perhaps red hot in the first half of his contract year what is saying he doesn’t ask for the equivalent of what nylander got? That could be in the 12-13m range.

There is risk in this deal

Way, way more risk in a bridge deal

You can say you’re not sold on the player without suggesting a bridge deal which is frankly, dumb

You’re ignoring the UFA age

 

[Schooner Guy]

Slaf scores! Who still wants to trade him straight up for Cooley now?

The bipolar f***s were actually talking about Slaf for KK earlier today.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Slaf having a big night

Enjoy

 

[KFlint]

Now please do that more often, I believe in you!

 

[Tuggy]

The bipolar f***s were actually talking about Slaf for KK earlier today.

Anyone suggesting that should have their posting privileges suspended.

 

[Heffyhoof]

The bipolar f***s were actually talking about Slaf for KK earlier today.

Nah not bipolar, they just lay in wait for any stretch of bad games to come out and pretend to be objective.