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The Sabres GM and Front Office Thread, Eric Staal hired as Special Asst. to the GM; Jarmo Kekäläinen hired as Senior Advisor

Who Will Be The Next Sabres GM ?

  • Adams cont...

    Votes: 30 50.8%
  • Jason Karmanos

    Votes: 13 22.0%
  • Jarmo Kekäläinen

    Votes: 9 15.3%
  • Other (Vote and Put in Post)

    Votes: 7 11.9%

  • Total voters
    59
  • Poll closed .
My comment was towards an executive role the poster I replied to was talking about, assuming a senior advisor or POHO? I also looked at the provided link and most of the tenured/successful GM's made a few small trades in that 6-8 month window and some didn't make any major moves until over a year.
Some GMs who dont make moves is not necessarily because they are '"evaluating" You are trying to associate the two together that new GMs don't make moves because they are "evaluating" but there is other reasons. A new GM doesn't make a move so he must be evaluating? In Adams case it was because he was chickenshit.

Its strange you think a GM needs 8 months to figure out what the hell is going on.

Dubas became leafs GM May 2018, July 1st he signed Tavares.
 
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I heard this search was happening a coupe weeks back (can’t say how I heard). I am not surprised at all that they are getting a firm “hell no” as an answer.
This team will never go anywhere as long as Pegula owns them.
I think a lot of people would at least take the GM job, if Pegula would step aside.
But an advisor under Adams, hell no.
You probably just find people willing to do that who have no experience at all aka Staal
 
Pegula has money, people generally like money. So he will find someone eventually where the money is too good to pass up

Adams on the other hand, the only people that seem to be fine working with/for him are those he has summer BBQ's with in his neighborhood
What makes you think that Pegula would write a large enough check to get someone to come to Buffalo in a FO role merely for the paycheck?
 

Bringing in all these people but leaving Kevyn Adams as GM is so Buffalo. Why not do that 6 years ago?

Kevyn should have been fired but its pretty clear Kevyn Adams is just Pegula's puppet.

The way Foley describes Galivan what do we need a coach for? All these people coming in with credentials but you leave the same bosses in place.

I just find it weird that Buffalo takes 6 years to get serious but then not really get serious cause the GM is trash.
 
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My comment was towards an executive role the poster I replied to was talking about, assuming a senior advisor or POHO? I also looked at the provided link and most of the tenured/successful GM's made a few small trades in that 6-8 month window and some didn't make any major moves until over a year.

I think maybe you're talking about guys coming into orgs that make a little bit more sense than Buffalo.

Any interview with a new advisor, GM, POHO will absolutely talk about a full tear down and rebuild of the way the entire org operates from the ground up

The Sabres aren't in a spot where a new executive comes in and sees if some of the mid-level staff are capable of transition to a new focus.

Lindy Ruff is the kind of guy on most staffs that maybe a new person let's finish their final year. But Seth Appert and Jerry Forton are the types of guys any executive worth their salt would send packing immediately. They both have horrendous resumes before their current roles and in their current roles.

The Sabres have one Lindy Ruff type person on staff and 100 Jerry Fortons.
 
Some GMs who dont make moves is not necessarily because they are '"evaluating" You are trying to associate the two together that new GMs don't make moves because they are "evaluating" but there is other reasons. A new GM doesn't make a move so he must be evaluating? In Adams case it was because he was chickenshit.

Its strange you think a GM needs 8 months to figure out what the hell is going on.

Dubas became leafs GM May 2018, July 1st he signed Tavares.
Again, was talking about an executive like POHO or Senior Advisor ......

I also looked at the list and then correlated GM's we would seem to be qualified and they made a few minor trades and took much longer to make a big trade.

I get you hate Adams but not 👏 every 👏 single 👏 thing 👏 needs 👏 to 👏 be 👏 about 👏 him 👏. This wasn't even about him or the GM position.
 
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I think maybe you're talking about guys coming into orgs that make a little bit more sense than Buffalo.

Any interview with a new advisor, GM, POHO will absolutely talk about a full tear down and rebuild of the way the entire org operates from the ground up

The Sabres aren't in a spot where a new executive comes in and sees if some of the mid-level staff are capable of transition to a new focus.

Lindy Ruff is the kind of guy on most staffs that maybe a new person let's finish their final year. But Seth Appert and Jerry Forton are the types of guys any executive worth their salt would send packing immediately. They both have horrendous resumes before their current roles and in their current roles.

The Sabres have one Lindy Ruff type person on staff and 100 Jerry Fortons.
I assume most hockey people have a pulse on teams but need the evaluation period to see what changes need to be made. I assume if one was hired, they would probably focus on the draft and FA but may be forced to expedite with that time being the prime trade forum. Ideally, just hire them and let them take their course.
 
Again, was talking about an executive like POHO or Senior Advisor ......

I also looked at the list and then correlated GM's we would seem to be qualified and they made a few minor trades and took much longer to make a big trade.

I get you hate Adams but not 👏 every 👏 single 👏 thing 👏 needs 👏 to 👏 be 👏 about 👏 him 👏. This wasn't even about him or the GM position.
Wait, you mean you bring in a senior advisor and it takes 8 months to advise? Where are you getting this from? Where do you get when you bring in a senior advisor it takes him 8 months to "evaluate"? No POHO lets the cancer rot the franchise for 8 months while he is "evaluating" or should I say no competent one. He starts firing the cancer and bringing in his own people.


Just to let you know, you said executives. A GM is considered an executive in a hockey franchise.

Instead of being condescending maybe you should know what you are talking about. If you mean senior advisor why not say senior advisor or POHO? Now you are pivoting when your words are right there and being condescending about it.

Keep going on about it. They are your posts then you get mad when someone calls you out about it. See how your post says executives? 👏Which 👏means 👏Kevyn👏Adams 👏

Just be more clear next time instead of blaming others for taking your words for what they actual mean.
Most executives have an evaluation period. Seems reasonable to have them come in and evaluate the next 6-8 months and then start the "Private Equity cleansing".
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Wait, you mean you bring in a senior advisor and it takes 8 months to advise? Where are you getting this from? Where do you get when you bring in a senior advisor it takes him 8 months to "evaluate"? No POHO lets the cancer rot the franchise for 8 months while he is "evaluating" or should I say no competent one. He starts firing the cancer and bringing in his own people.


Just to let you know, you said executives. A GM is considered an executive in a hockey franchise.

Instead of being condescending maybe you should know what you are talking about. If you mean senior advisor why not say senior advisor or POHO? Now you are pivoting when your words are right there and being condescending about it.

Keep going on about it. They are your posts then you get mad when someone calls you out about it. See how your post says executives? 👏Which 👏means 👏Kevyn👏Adams 👏

Just be more clear next time instead of blaming others for taking your words for what they actual mean.

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My brother In Christ... Reading and comprehension isn't hard.

My original post was talking about another poster who was talking about an advisor. In regards to GM's, I never mentioned anything about GM's or them not not being executives, no matter how bad you want to be right. Chain mentioned the GM's and then provided a site that shows trades by GM. A bunch of really good GM's were hired and made a couple small trades and usually took 6 months to a year (or longer) to make a big trade with roster building ramifications.

Most executives worth their weight will take time to review the whole organization, the inner workings, the talent, what hurdles they may be facing, where they can help.

Ffs...
 
My brother In Christ... Reading and comprehension isn't hard.

My original post was talking about another poster who was talking about an advisor. In regards to GM's, I never mentioned anything about GM's or them not not being executives, no matter how bad you want to be right. Chain mentioned the GM's and then provided a site that shows trades by GM. A bunch of really good GM's were hired and made a couple small trades and usually took 6 months to a year (or longer) to make a big trade with roster building ramifications.

Most executives worth their weight will take time to review the whole organization, the inner workings, the talent, what hurdles they may be facing, where they can help.

Ffs...
No no you are right. Everyone should just automatically know what you are talking about.

Its so sad just articulate your point better instead of wasting 5 pages complaining about how others cant read your mind.

Even Chainshot responded to you about it mentioning GENERAL MANAGER BOTTERILL. I guess he can't read your mind either.

You said executives and GMs are executives and now you crying about it for 3 pages.

Are you going to carry this on for another 5 pages?
 
No no you are right. Everyone should just automatically know what you are talking about.

Its so sad just articulate your point better instead of wasting 5 pages complaining about how others cant read your mind.

Even Chainshot responded to you about it mentioning GENERAL MANAGER BOTTERILL Are you going to carry this on for another 5 pages?
Hopefully he takes 8 months to evaluate the situation first
 
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No no you are right. Everyone should just automatically know what you are talking about.

Its so sad just articulate your point better instead of wasting 5 pages complaining about how others cant read your mind.

Even Chainshot responded to you about it mentioning GENERAL MANAGER BOTTERILL. I guess he can't read your mind either.

You said executives and GMs are executives and now you crying about it for 3 pages.

Are you going to carry this on for another 5 pages?
Absolutely lol. The context was/is there and you just ignore it. Here is the post I was replying to:

"If you want a good experienced exec in here, you need to be willing to let adams go, and also give up on this silly Seth appert nonsense.

Can't have both. Sports don't work that way
."

I have no idea how someone would think that my comment would be construed as "a new GM would need to be okay moving on from Adams" 🤣

It's painfully obvious that the context of the conversation was around a senior advisor/POHO being looked at and that person, in order to be hired, would need to be okay firing Adams and some coaches.

But go on and keep trying to find that "gotcha" moment, I'm sure i used improper sentence structure somewhere.....
 
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Absolutely lol. The context was/is there and you just ignore it. Here is the post I was replying to:

"If you want a good experienced exec in here, you need to be willing to let adams go, and also give up on this silly Seth appert nonsense.

Can't have both. Sports don't work that way
."

I have no idea how someone would think that my comment would be construed as "a new GM would need to be okay moving on from Adams" 🤣

It's painfully obvious that the context of the conversation was around a senior advisor/POHO being looked at and that person, in order to be hired, would need to be okay firing Adams and some coaches.

But go on and keep trying to find that "gotcha" moment, I'm sure i used improper sentence structure somewhere.....
IF they go the Senior Advisor/POHO route, they CAN’T allow the structure flow have them report to Adams. Otherwise, that advisor/POHO is nothing but an assistant to the GM. This person needs to be one that reports to Terry.

Now if Terry wants this person to be able to help Adams navigate being a GM, first, about f****** time, only 5 years too late, but also, that isn’t close to being good news for those wanting to see change at the GM position.
 
Absolutely lol. The context was/is there and you just ignore it. Here is the post I was replying to:

"If you want a good experienced exec in here, you need to be willing to let adams go, and also give up on this silly Seth appert nonsense.

Can't have both. Sports don't work that way
."

I have no idea how someone would think that my comment would be construed as "a new GM would need to be okay moving on from Adams" 🤣

It's painfully obvious that the context of the conversation was around a senior advisor/POHO being looked at and that person, in order to be hired, would need to be okay firing Adams and some coaches.

But go on and keep trying to find that "gotcha" moment, I'm sure i used improper sentence structure somewhere.....
Keep it going bro.

You do understand GMs are executives? No point in conversating with you if you don't understand that.
 
Keep it going bro.

You do understand GMs are executives? No point in conversating with you if you don't understand that.
They advised they were talking about an Advisor/POHO person. I think we can move on to what they were talking about with that context in mind, do we really need to have this back and forth about this minor issue?
 
How many of them are going to stay in town and work with him is my thought. As a group, they seem pretty chickenshit so I wouldn't be surprised if some of them flee from it instead of leaning into it.
I spent a little time reviewing some of Gailvin's videos on youtube where he articulates some of his basic idea and programs for strength and conditioning.

Look, I'm far from an expert, but I understand some basics about how to develop strength and as far as I'm concerned Gailvin is nothing special. He's like so many modern day professional athletic coaches in the way they introduce unneeded complexity into their strength routines, depending heavily on band work, isometric resistance, light dumbbell work, hex bars etc. with a heavy focus on volume over intensity.

He even explicitly mentions in one video I watched how he is getting away from "spinal loading."

Huh?

Look, heavy compound lifts by their nature require some degree of spinal loading. You're not going to barbell squat, deadlift, or press without some degree of spinal loading. But here's the thing: these lifts are by their very nature and simplicity the building blocks of strength development. In the extreme, strength guys like Bjornsson, Hall, and Shaw didn't get to where they are by focusing on single leg kettlebell lunges, side planks, and ab rollouts, which I assure you figure prominently in Gailvan's approach to strength development. No, they got there by squatting, deadlifting, and pressing ever heaver amounts, progressing linearly by adding incremental more weight to the barbell and thus increasing strength -- the ability to produce force against an external object.

Those principles of strength development apply to everyone. Progressive overload is the as old as the Greek myth of Milo of Croton. You get stronger by adding weight to the bar, and going up in weight each training session. Sadly this basic fact is lost on most modern day strength coaches who train professional athletes. Too often the focus of these coaches is to develop programs that allow elite athletes to display their genetically elevated levels of strength and conditioning, rather than challenging athletes to grow stronger via simple. compound lifts progressed linearly . Getting a pro athlete to do 10 30lbs dumbbell goblet squats on a bosu ball -- while visually impressive -- does absolutely nothing to increase their overall level of strength. Getting a NHLer hockey player to up his back squat from 185 to 405, well now we're getting somewhere. That kind objective gain in raw strength allows the athlete to become more effective at their sport while improving their overall resistance to injury as tendons, ligaments, muscles and bones grow to adapt to the increasing amount of stress applied to the body..

So basically I don't think Gailvin will move the needle in regards to our overall team strength levels. Maybe we'll see some gains in conditioning when the season starts if players commit to his overly complex and voluminous levels of HIIT type movements, but I don't expect any noticeable improvements in team toughness, nor do I think his approach will have any positive effect on injury rates.
 
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IF they go the Senior Advisor/POHO route, they CAN’T allow the structure flow have them report to Adams. Otherwise, that advisor/POHO is nothing but an assistant to the GM. This person needs to be one that reports to Terry.

Now if Terry wants this person to be able to help Adams navigate being a GM, first, about f****** time, only 5 years too late, but also, that isn’t close to being good news for those wanting to see change at the GM position.
Seems like that is the reasonable path. Create a new path to Pegula. That said, they would hopefully evaluate everything.
 
IF they go the Senior Advisor/POHO route, they CAN’T allow the structure flow have them report to Adams. Otherwise, that advisor/POHO is nothing but an assistant to the GM. This person needs to be one that reports to Terry.

Now if Terry wants this person to be able to help Adams navigate being a GM, first, about f****** time, only 5 years too late, but also, that isn’t close to being good news for those wanting to see change at the GM position.

I mean....typically senior advisors don't really "report" to anyone. They don't have any real authority or productivity goals. They are a sounding board. What does it matter who they report to? It doesn't.

From Adams "intermediaries" we've heard that:

1) Adams is insistent that any senior advisor reports to him
2) Adams is insistent that any senior advisor is now going to have a big part in planning things and is not just going to be a sounding board.

I'm very curious what the final form of this....if it happens at all while Adams is still the GM. I could actually see this being the thing that actually gets Adams fired eventually. He can't/won't find someone who will fit whatever structure he wants them to come into, Terry realizes Adams isn't being forthright about it and the trust is broken...and without that trust the only thing keeping Kevyn employed is the how annoyed Terry will be having to do a press conference with a new GM.
 
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