The Real National Team Ranking
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Yes, as most people in the Hockey World will go by, what the last Olympics told us doesn't change anything after this IIHF tournament. We'll see if there's a World Cup in 2 years or whatever, that's when my rankings will change. Hockey is not FIFA, rankings mean squat when there's only a handful of countries that can win.
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Yes, as most people in the Hockey World will go by, what the last Olympics told us doesn't change anything after this IIHF tournament. We'll see if there's a World Cup in 2 years or whatever, that's when my rankings will change. Hockey is not FIFA, rankings mean squat when there's only a handful of countries that can win.
Take out tournaments that aren't best vs best.... they show NOTHING that equates to where countries are in ranking. This is what the major issue people have with the IIHF rankings.... and yours as well.
WHC, because of the time of year they're played and their refusal to move it to a time when it can be a best vs best tournament... should be removed as a method of giving points to international standings.
And if you're going to continue to use the WHC, then a WHC GOLD should be worth less than an Olympic Bronze.
Olympics
World Cup/Canada Cup (If it ever comes back)
WJC
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WHC, because of the time of year they're played and their refusal to move it to a time when it can be a best vs best tournament... should be removed as a method of giving points to international standings.
And if you're going to continue to use the WHC, then a WHC GOLD should be worth less than an Olympic Bronze.
Olympics
World Cup/Canada Cup (If it ever comes back)
WJC
kthx
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Olympics - Gold - 20 points, Silver - 15 points, Bronze - 10 points
WHC - Gold - 8 points, Silver - 6 points, Bronze - 4 points
WJHC - Gold - 5 points, Silver, 4 points, Bronze - 3 points
WHC - Gold - 8 points, Silver - 6 points, Bronze - 4 points
WJHC - Gold - 5 points, Silver, 4 points, Bronze - 3 points
It's a good try, but any ranking where the first team with no olympic gold medal is first despite the second country having 2 olympic golds in 6 years, is plain wrong. Especially when all the difference is made because of WHC's. No matter what, the olympics are by far the most important tournament. WHC is such a joke tournament that if more medals from that tournament means that you are better than the other country despite the fact that the other country has two olympic gold medals out of two, is double-joke.
But it's an interesting point-system. Just should be better.
But it's an interesting point-system. Just should be better.
I would say Canada at best 7th in their ranking. Five consecutive quarter final results should give that. An Olympic gold is redundant when you fail to medal 5 consecutive times. They draw each other out.
That's a fair assessment.
That's a fair assessment.
When all the teams were able to make the best, the really best team they can, Canada won 4 times out of 5. That's saying something.
The tournaments between 2002 and 2014 (13 years):
USA - 2 silver medals (2002, 2010), 2 semi-final eliminations (2004, 2014), 1 QF elimination (2006)
Finland - 2 silver medals (2004, 2006), 2 bronze medals (2010, 2014), 1 QF elimination (2002)
Sweden - 1 gold medal (2006), 1 silver medal (2014), 3 QF eliminations (2002, 2004, 2010)
Almighty Russia - 1 bronze medal (2002), 1 semi-final elimination (2006), 3 QF eliminations (2004, 2010, 2014)
Czechs - 1 bronze medal (2006), 1 semi-final elimination (2004), 3 QF eliminations (2002, 2010, 2014)
Canada - 4 gold medals (2002, 2004, 2010, 2014), 1 QF elimination (2006)
An interesting fact. While Sweden is the only european team with a gold, Finland had most medals out of all the teams (4, together with Canada). Ironically, the only time that Finland didn't make the SF's was in 2002, when the team lost to the winner of the tournament, Canada, 1-2 only. I have to say, I have a very positive view on Finland's hockey. Good play-off run this year, another medal in Sochi, beating the Russians on their home soil, World Juniors....
The tournaments between 2002 and 2014 (13 years):
USA - 2 silver medals (2002, 2010), 2 semi-final eliminations (2004, 2014), 1 QF elimination (2006)
Finland - 2 silver medals (2004, 2006), 2 bronze medals (2010, 2014), 1 QF elimination (2002)
Sweden - 1 gold medal (2006), 1 silver medal (2014), 3 QF eliminations (2002, 2004, 2010)
Almighty Russia - 1 bronze medal (2002), 1 semi-final elimination (2006), 3 QF eliminations (2004, 2010, 2014)
Czechs - 1 bronze medal (2006), 1 semi-final elimination (2004), 3 QF eliminations (2002, 2010, 2014)
Canada - 4 gold medals (2002, 2004, 2010, 2014), 1 QF elimination (2006)
An interesting fact. While Sweden is the only european team with a gold, Finland had most medals out of all the teams (4, together with Canada). Ironically, the only time that Finland didn't make the SF's was in 2002, when the team lost to the winner of the tournament, Canada, 1-2 only. I have to say, I have a very positive view on Finland's hockey. Good play-off run this year, another medal in Sochi, beating the Russians on their home soil, World Juniors....
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Canuck21t
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Sure, if that would me you happy. You can think whatever you want, just don't expect others to take you seriously.
Russia is actually equal to Canada because when it comes to ultimate best vs. best, Canada has beaten Russia once (2010) and Russia has beaten Canada once (2006)
.It says we're the best. Thankfully, no one seems to be (seriously) arguing that point. I think Sweden is the consensus number two. Finland's recent runs can't be overlooked and they deserve either 2b or 3. The U.S. looks like a comfortable 4. Russia a falling 5.
What about one Olympic gold worth one Olympic gold and one IHWC gold worth one IHWC gold? Surely the Olympics are the more respected tournament, but there's just no way to objectively calculate how many medals you need in one competition to match those in an entirely separate one.
Also I'm not a fan of the attempt to prove that Sweden or Canada, or any other ones, are the best teams for the last so and so many years when that obviously is not true. There's no team that has been constant enough to claim that title.
When you win 4 of the last 5 Best on Best, there is little question who is number one.
It doesn't change the fact that Canada provided a poor performance in 2006, and that means a rather long 8-year gap between the success in 2002 and the one in 2010. Considering that before 2002 they didn't perform that superb either I'd at most go for a post-2010 era for Canada, but definitely not before that.
Canada won the World Cup in 2004. If you say Canada is not the best, no one will take it seriously.
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