The Power Play
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How many coaches do we have to go through with the same cast of clowns on the ice before we’re certain it’s the clowns on the ice?
They were at 20% last year. Which I thought was bad. At 15% this year.
The eye test has been bad for awhile tho.
The Vegas playoffs were abysmal.
Kopi on the half wall is predictable.
Doughty sucks on point.
For a team with so many weapons, they just can’t seem to find a way to gel on the pp.
The eye test has been bad for awhile tho.
The Vegas playoffs were abysmal.
Kopi on the half wall is predictable.
Doughty sucks on point.
For a team with so many weapons, they just can’t seem to find a way to gel on the pp.
Right here is part of the problem,
Historically, the best powerplays hover around 25% so to think 20% is bad, is more of higher expectations than anything based in reality.
While I agree that the powerplay has been bad this year, there have been points where it has worked, I think it's stagnant and the players have no idea what to do, they are fighting coaching vs instinct it looks like some of the time...
Kings haven’t been close to 25% in years.
Last year at least had career years from the core three and largely without Carter.
I still say if the PP was effective in any way against Vegas they could have won that series.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
It's pretty clear who is coaching PP1 and who is coaching PP2 for starters.
But similar to other areas of the game that have grown stagnant, PP1 has had the same personnel and 'routine' for the better part of a decade. These guys aren't creative thinkers anymore, they're playing safe and they're playing on rails and that carries over to the PP. In order for a different look, you REALLY need to shake up positioning and personnel, nevermind the setup. I can tell you exactly where every pass is going because the PK can easily funnel things wherever they want unless someone improvises like Kovy last night, which is the real problem with the 'leaders' of this team right now. The other lines are more creative and energetic because theyr'e not set in their ways like PP1 is.
But similar to other areas of the game that have grown stagnant, PP1 has had the same personnel and 'routine' for the better part of a decade. These guys aren't creative thinkers anymore, they're playing safe and they're playing on rails and that carries over to the PP. In order for a different look, you REALLY need to shake up positioning and personnel, nevermind the setup. I can tell you exactly where every pass is going because the PK can easily funnel things wherever they want unless someone improvises like Kovy last night, which is the real problem with the 'leaders' of this team right now. The other lines are more creative and energetic because theyr'e not set in their ways like PP1 is.
kingsboy11
Champions Again
Whenever I watch other games on national tv I always try to look closely at how other teams run their powerplay. And I think the one thing that I have noticed is that it shows the Kings players are just stagnant and keep their shape. You look at the Capitals powerplay where everyone in the world knows they are going to Ovechkin and it still works because of their movement and speed of moving the puck. Kopi wastes like 10 seconds just stick handling along the halfwall looking for an opening. Kopi on the half, Drew on the right point, Kovy on the left, Carts in the slot and Brownie screening the goalie. There is a severe lack of movement on the powerplay and it makes it insanely predictable to read and defend. It doesn't help that Doughty and Kopi either aren't good shooters or doesn't shoot. If you can't get the defense out of shape, you can't complain that our powerplay sucks because the answer is right in front of you.
Last season, when the Kings were at 20% they were tied for 17th in the league by powerplay success rate, which means only 13 teams were worse than them. I know bad is subjective, but I would say that anytime you are in the bottom half of the league by a statistic you are bad.
I don't even think we can fully blame coaching at this point, I think the top line players are too set in their methods. You can see the Kings attempting mimicking techniques from successful teams, but the players just don't seem capable. The top unit is using a 1-3-1 setup now and we see the 'climb the ladder' breakout quite often, but it still doesn't work. Kopitar still wants to stick handle on the half wall for 30 seconds before flubbing a pass and Dewey still wants to hero the puck into the zone despite that not being his skill set.
BringTheReign
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Kopitar on the half wall shouldn't be a thing anymore. He and Brown should play either side of the net/behind it and then get another left shot on the half wall. The only player that other teams worry about in the slightest in Kovalchuk, and they can barely get it to him half the time.
KingsOfCali25
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I always think Kopitar would be better suited to play the top Blueline spot on the PP. He has the shot to be dangerous and can dish the puck to shooters on either side.
The 2nd part, which everyone knows, is the puck movement. I not worried about the standing around because watching other teams do the same thing and having it work. It's more about keeping the puck moving around so the defense can't get set and just sit still. Pressure them into overplaying things which creates openings. The Kings just try to make "perfect" passes and shots. Just move the puck and shoot. It's what Kovy does and works so well for him.
Edit: I would try...
PP1- Brown (Front), Kovy (Left), Kempe (Right), Kopitar (Blueline), Toffoli (Center)
PP2- Iafallo (Front), Carter (Left), Martinez (Right), Doughty (Blueline), Leipsic (Center)
P.s. LA needs one more dangerous shooter to play the right right side (LH) on PP1 to move Kempe down to PP2 and Martinez out.
The 2nd part, which everyone knows, is the puck movement. I not worried about the standing around because watching other teams do the same thing and having it work. It's more about keeping the puck moving around so the defense can't get set and just sit still. Pressure them into overplaying things which creates openings. The Kings just try to make "perfect" passes and shots. Just move the puck and shoot. It's what Kovy does and works so well for him.
Edit: I would try...
PP1- Brown (Front), Kovy (Left), Kempe (Right), Kopitar (Blueline), Toffoli (Center)
PP2- Iafallo (Front), Carter (Left), Martinez (Right), Doughty (Blueline), Leipsic (Center)
P.s. LA needs one more dangerous shooter to play the right right side (LH) on PP1 to move Kempe down to PP2 and Martinez out.
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Steve Zissou
I'll order you a red cap and a Speedo.
Guys, this is easy...
Just force Kovy to screen the goalie again - this time with Brown.
Problem solved.
Just force Kovy to screen the goalie again - this time with Brown.
Problem solved.
deeshamrock
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They need a power play quarterback with good vision and IQ, and a special teams coach who can study the PP styles that are effective and adapt it to the Kings. Movement would help. Hopefully, getting a high talented forward in the draft will help along with JAD and GV if they make the team next year.
But the players have become too predicable. Mike Richards was the last PP QB they had that knew how to work it.
But the players have become too predicable. Mike Richards was the last PP QB they had that knew how to work it.
johnjm22
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The Kings PP has been mostly average.
I think there's a few things that every fanbase complains about: their drafting, their coaching and their PP.
And no the Kings PP wasn't any better when Richards was on it.
I think there's a few things that every fanbase complains about: their drafting, their coaching and their PP.
And no the Kings PP wasn't any better when Richards was on it.
tny760
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my beef is with the zone entry, so damn predictable with the 1st unit and if it doesn't work it takes years to redevelop
2nd unit's drop pass isn't the most glamorous thing in the world but at least they appear to understand the concept of skating the puck into the zone
2nd unit's drop pass isn't the most glamorous thing in the world but at least they appear to understand the concept of skating the puck into the zone
Yes, and .03% more, they are 15th and not in the bottom half of the league, I think that means if they had scored one more PP goal or had one less PP chance, etc,
Ranking them if they fall in the top half or the bottom half to me is an exercise in futility,
In 2016-2017, BUFFALO had the league's best PP..... year before that LA was 8th at 20%,
So what changed from 2015-2016, to 2018-2019?
Anyone notice anything different? I mean there are threads in here about the YEARS that Doughty has sucked on the PP, that Kopitar on the half wall sucked, that Carter in front sucked etc etc,
Yet, in 2015-2016 they were 8th, and from what I can tell, the PP system, hasn't changed.
Over the last 5 seasons the Kings are 22nd in the league for PP% at 18.3%, it has been a pretty bad stretch overall if you look at a larger sample size.
damacles1156
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You need a proper PP QB. That is not Doughty.
Matter of fact Doughty shouldn't be anywhere near the PP. His problem is not making the simple play consistently also he doesn't have a wrist shot in his arsenal.
Matter of fact Doughty shouldn't be anywhere near the PP. His problem is not making the simple play consistently also he doesn't have a wrist shot in his arsenal.
tny760
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honestly if he wasn't so deadset on just standing there on the point while kopi stickhandles he could be really effective by doing something as simple as coming down closer to the right point then walking the line when kopi inevitably passes to him
though that requires said wrist shot and a brain..
Has anyone broke down the %'s between the 1st PP unit and the 2nd? Also, are there stats that compare 1st PP units league wide? And NO, I don't mean their gentleman sausages.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
The 2 constants for the better part of a decade have been 8 at the right point and 11 on the right side half wall, and if you want to know why it's been bad just focus on those two first. I'd have Kopitar play way closer to the net and maybe even below the goalline or even on the point.
DoktorJeep
Luc and Rob are a waste of time and money.
