The NHL needs to make all majors reviewable

[Lafleurs Guy]

Pavelski did not have much choice on how he landed did he?

Right... I don't see us agreeing on this debate. You're entitled to your opinion.

 

[Max1997]

That particular crosscheck would get called more times than not in the regular season. It was not the run of the mill light tap after a faceoff, it was delivered with such force it knocked a player off his feet.

Wow such violence imagine someone getting knocked off their feet in a hockey game!

 

[kohorevolution]

The speed limit on highway 401 is 100. Everyone does 120. Is it against the law? Sure. But the speed of traffic is 120 and nobody gets busted for it.

That crosscheck happens all the time with no call. And it would've been ignored if that guy doesn't fall and start bleeding all over the ice.

You can say textbook all you want... it happens all the time without being called. At most it's a two minute penalty, if it's a penalty at all.

I agree with you, but why did he fall again? Because of said cross check...

 

[Missing smitty]

Next year they will be reviewable you can guarantee after this PR nightmare. The league can’t defend this - no explanation passes the sniff test. They bowed to the pressure of the fans and blood. It’s the worst example of game fixing I’ve ever seen...

People were having reasonable ish arguments about a call and you come in like a child and scream game fixing. Stop being a child.

Just because it may have been the wrong call doesn't spot Vegas 4 goals. Just be quiet already.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

The speed limit on highway 401 is 100. Everyone does 120. Is it against the law? Sure. But the speed of traffic is 120 and nobody gets busted for it.

That crosscheck happens all the time with no call. And it would've been ignored if that guy doesn't fall and start bleeding all over the ice.

You can say textbook all you want... it happens all the time without being called. At most it's a two minute penalty, if it's a penalty at all.

And what happens when one of those cars CAUSES an accident....do they just get to walk away because everyone does it?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

And what happens when one of those cars CAUSES an accident....do they just get to walk away because everyone does it?

Given what happened on the ice, 2 mins is fine. But 5 mins is ridiculous. You should punish the action, not the result.

This wasn't a reckless play. It was a run of the mill play that happens all the time (usually without consequence.) If they want to hold him accountable here, I think given the circumstances it's fine. But five for this is way over the top.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Given what happened on the ice, 2 mins is fine. But 5 mins is ridiculous.

Equivalent in your analogy to a speeding ticket.....right? So accident going 120 = speeding ticket,

Thank god I avoid the 401 as if my life depended on it....

 

[Yeti of the Flow]

People were having reasonable ish arguments about a call and you come in like a child and scream game fixing. Stop being a child.

Just because it may have been the wrong call doesn't spot Vegas 4 goals. Just be quiet already.

If it were a 2 minute call and only one goal on PP and three 5v5 goals, or another penalty call or whatever may have happened, sure. It was a major though. That's way too big a reactive, retroactive call.

 

[Missing smitty]

If it were a 2 minute call and only one goal on PP and three 5v5 goals, or another penalty call or whatever may have happened, sure. It was a major though. That's way too big a reactive, retroactive call.

It doesn't matter if it was the wrong call, it doesn't magically put 4 goals on the board. Bad calls happen, don't give up a 3-1 series lead and 3-0 lead in the game and then you don't need to complain about the refs. Simple as that.

 

[Yeti of the Flow]

It doesn't matter if it was the wrong call, it doesn't magically put 4 goals on the board. Bad calls happen, don't give up a 3-1 series lead and 3-0 lead in the game and then you don't need to complain about the refs. Simple as that.

You understand that the manpower advantage was for the entire period San Jose scored its goals, yes? That matters. This isn't simply the Knights giving up a lead. It's a case of the ref making a very, very bad call causing his decision to be the main factor in the game's decision. Things have reasons. You think the NHL isn't going to address the implications of this? This is a massive topic because of a massive on ice issue. Denying it as if it were simply how it goes is fairly obtuse especially considering the point of a discussion forum.

 

[Analyst365]

Sure let's have a complete overhaul of referring and reviews and make the games endless and boring as hell and chase the viewership away so we can avoid another 1 / 10 000 000 event like yesterday.

 

[Missing smitty]

You understand that the manpower advantage was for the entire period San Jose scored its goals, yes? That matters. This isn't simply the Knights giving up a lead. It's a case of the ref making a very, very bad call causing his decision to be the main factor in the game's decision. Things have reasons. You think the NHL isn't going to address the implications of this? This is a massive topic because of a massive on ice issue. Denying it as if it were simply how it goes is fairly obtuse especially considering the point of a discussion forum.

4 goals on a 5 minute powerplay has happened 3 other times in the history of the NHL. Saying a 5 minute powerplay guarantees 4 goals is incredibly obtuse.

It was a bad call. Vegas absolutely collapsing for 4 minutes is on them, no one else. The refs didn't skate in and drop pucks in the net. The Vegas PKers fell apart and Gallant forgot he had a timeout for some reason.

 

[SwaggySpungo]

Nope. This is going to cause a change now and replay will be used more and in major type penalties like this, which is a good thing.

League will have no choice now.

Nope.

Not happening. Can't review a judgement call.

Instant replay to see if the puck crossed the goal line only. All other uses are dumb as hell.

 

[Yeti of the Flow]

4 goals on a 5 minute powerplay has happened 3 other times in the history of the NHL. Saying a 5 minute powerplay guarantees 4 goals is incredibly obtuse.

It was a bad call. Vegas absolutely collapsing for 4 minutes is on them, no one else. The refs didn't skate in and drop pucks in the net. The Vegas PKers fell apart and Gallant forgot he had a timeout for some reason.

I didn't say guarantees. Did anyone ever make such a ridiculous claim? They made the call after the play because of the injury, and not just a minor penalty which could be fair, but a major. That is the catalyst for the game's outcome. No matter how much you want to deny it. This shouldn't have happened.

 

[Missing smitty]

I didn't say guarantees. Did anyone ever make such a ridiculous claim? They made the call after the play because of the injury, and not just a minor penalty which could be fair, but a major. That is the catalyst for the game's outcome. No matter how much you want to deny it. This shouldn't have happened.

The catalyst for the games outcome was Vegas' epic collapse after a call didn't go their way.

The call was bad, the Vegas PK and Fleury were worse.

 

[SirClintonPortis]

They should make goalie interference penalties reviewable then. This series result is only the most fair outcome since SJ got robbed once and Vegas loses one right back. The onus is on Vegas to not take dumb penalties and remember to finish winning. They were supposed to kill time and then score on empty nets in a game they had complete control.

 

[Yeti of the Flow]

The catalyst for the games outcome was Vegas' epic collapse after a call didn't go their way.

The call was bad, the Vegas PK and Fleury were worse.

Let's put this another way.

San Jose's PP% this season was 23.7.

Vegas defended against 80.9%.

You admit there is an advantage when a team is on a power play? Therefore isn't that a direct advantage given to a team by a referee incorrectly retroactively from the play? If a goal scored can be overturned by a missed call a minute prior to it, surely we can review and understand that a 5 minute manpower advantage is just as massive as one single goal.

 

[SirClintonPortis]

Let's put this another way.

San Jose's PP% this season was 23.7.

Vegas defended against 80.9%.

You admit there is an advantage when a team is on a power play? Therefore isn't that a direct advantage given to a team by a referee incorrectly retroactively from the play? If a goal scored can be overturned by a missed call a minute prior to it, surely we can review and understand that a 5 minute manpower advantage is just as massive as one single goal.

Don't play so rough if you can't kill the times you land in the sin bin. Especially when you're up 3-0, SJ is pressing, and due to that, a counterattack can lead to a fourth goal.

 

[El Travo]

Just change "majors" in the title to "offside". We've been here before and now we're stuck with the offside challenge.

This was a one in a million occurrence. The game would be completely unwatchable if all games were refereed by perfect robots who called the game exactly by the book. Stop trying to change things because of extremely rare incidents.

 

[WatchfulElm]

I've already forgotten about it. Bad calls happen, this was one of them. But let's not go overboard here.

I think it will stick with Vegas fans for a while though.

I disagree. I wouldn't be surprised if this leads to a rule change. Like allowing video review on 5 minutes major penalties. Or ending major penalties after 2 goals have been scored on the same power play. You can bet it will be discussed at the next GM meeting in Boca Raton.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Nope.

Not happening. Can't review a judgement call.

Instant replay to see if the puck crossed the goal line only. All other uses are dumb as hell.

NBA does with no issues (reviewing flagrant fouls)

With what transpired, very good chance it will happen, like it or not.

 

[Missing smitty]

Let's put this another way.

San Jose's PP% this season was 23.7.

Vegas defended against 80.9%.

You admit there is an advantage when a team is on a power play? Therefore isn't that a direct advantage given to a team by a referee incorrectly retroactively from the play? If a goal scored can be overturned by a missed call a minute prior to it, surely we can review and understand that a 5 minute manpower advantage is just as massive as one single goal.

I could see 2 goals being let in on that powerplay being acceptable, but 4? That is just epically (actually historically) bad penalty killing.

Seriously, being down a man doesn't spot the other team 4 goals. It sucks, grow up and move on, just like every other franchise that gets a bad call against them.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Just change "majors" in the title to "offside". We've been here before and now we're stuck with the offside challenge.

This was a one in a million occurrence. The game would be completely unwatchable if all games were refereed by perfect robots who called the game exactly by the book. Stop trying to change things because of extremely rare incidents.

Exactly. That's why we say people arguing for video review of red cards and goals and penalties are nuts. Getting that kind of stuff right - things that can be truly critical to the flow of the game and can well dictate its outcome - will kill the game and no one will ever want to watch ever again, ever.

Yours truly,

FIFA

P.S. - we're a little short on cash, if you can funnel say $120 million our way, give it take, we would appreciate it and we can probably hook you up with a seat on one of our prestigious no-work councils somewhere, along with a good paying salary to go with it. Just keep it completely hush-hush, you know.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

I would love to see an owner sue the league one day over a ref botch job that directly led to losing a playoff round. They lose out on a lot of money when something like this happens. It would be truly hilarious.

 

[Max1997]

People were having reasonable ish arguments about a call and you come in like a child and scream game fixing. Stop being a child.

Just because it may have been the wrong call doesn't spot Vegas 4 goals. Just be quiet already.

A major where one is not warranted is attempting to influence the game - so yeah influence/fix same thing. They knew exactly what they were doing. Stop being a moron. Quiet already.
Childish argument? Every analyst agrees that the refs acted on the result and not the action. It’s reprehensible.