The New and really Improved , Kyle Dubas Discussion Thread

[Dekes For Days]

They are, but what the Leafs did was highly, highly unconventional.

If they are, then the value was established. What the Leafs did was really, really smart.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

The point isn't that Sutter doesn't deserve recognition. It's more that Keefe doesn't have a single vote.

This wasn't a month ago when the Leafs struggled. This was 2 days ago this article came out.

I don't really care if you despise the Leafs, but come on... come on. Paul freaking Maurice has votes. Gerard Gallant has votes. Brad Larsen.... LINDY RUFF. Keefe? Nope.

Look at this:

Voting totals (points awarded on a 5-4-3-2-1- basis): Rod Brind'Amour, Carolina Hurricanes 63 points (10 first-place votes); Darryl Sutter, Calgary Flames, 52 (two); Dallas Eakins, Anaheim Ducks, 42 (four); Gerard Gallant, New York Rangers, 22; Dave Tippett, Edmonton Oilers, 20; Dean Evason, Minnesota Wild, 14; Peter Laviolette, Washington Capitals, 13 (one); Brad Larsen, Columbus Blue Jackets, 9; Jon Cooper, Tampa Bay Lightning, 6; Paul Maurice, Winnipeg Jets, 4; Lindy Ruff, New Jersey Devils, 3; Andrew Brunette, Florida Panthers, 3; Jeff Blashill, Detroit Red Wings, 2; Mike Sullivan, Pittsburgh Penguins, 1; Todd McLellan, Los Angeles Kings, 1

Agreed with that. That doesn't make any sense that the 1st place team's coach doesn't have a single vote.

 

[ACC1224]

Agreed with that. That doesn't make any sense that the 1st place team's coach doesn't have a single vote.

Maybe the thought is they’re just meeting expectations?

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Maybe the thought is they’re just meeting expectations?

Thats why I dont believe Keefe deserves the award over Sutter but the fact that the first place coach doesn't have any votes over a bunch of the others that SprDaVE listed is a bit puzzling.

 

[Sypher04]

Maybe the thought is they’re just meeting expectations?

if that were the case brind’amour wouldn’t be top 3 though

 

[zeke]

Maybe the thought is they’re just meeting expectations?

I'm sure they'd all have Dubas leading the GM of the Year race, then.

 

[ACC1224]

Thats why I dont believe Keefe deserves the award over Sutter but the fact that the first place coach doesn't have any votes over a bunch of the others that SprDaVE listed is a bit puzzling.

Yeah I don't know just speculating. I'm not even sure what the criteria is or when the vote was taken or who votes for that matter.

if that were the case brind’amour wouldn’t be top 3 though

Good point.

 

[Buds17]

More often than not, I'd expect the Coach Of The Year to go the bench boss of a team that has improved the most from one season to the next. That said, for Keefe to not have any votes is a stretch to an unbelievable degree.

 

[Pi]

The NHL.com articles are a total joke. For years we are told that the Leafs aren't good defensively. They are top 5-10 in the league since Keefe became coach when we haven't been top 20 since the 2004 lockout and he doesn't get a single vote lol.

 

[ACC1224]

More often than not, I'd expect the Coach Of The Year to go the bench boss of a team that has improved the most from one season to the next. That said, for Keefe to not have any votes is a stretch to an unbelievable degree.

For sure he should have some votes. Looking at the standings I would say that NYR, Minnesota and Calgary are the biggest surprises.

 

[4thline]

I'm sure they'd all have Dubas leading the GM of the Year race, then.

Pfft no. It's all about expectations. The collection of talent he helped assemble, then later inherited, and has since kept and augmented was the best ever, destined to go 82-0 for multiple years before he screwed it up.

 

[Apex Predator]

Isn’t the GM of the year award basically whatever team does good in the playoffs?

 

[ToneDog]

I'm sure they'd all have Dubas leading the GM of the Year race, then.

Keefe, Dubas and Soup all deserve awards for their seasons so far but sadly nobody is going to remember what this team did in November if they don't win a round.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Isn’t the GM of the year award basically whatever team does good in the playoffs?

Yeah, GM voting takes place after round 2 I believe, which is odd considering the Jack Adam’s is voted on before the playoffs even start. Why the delay I’ll never know.

 

[ACC1224]

Isn’t the GM of the year award basically whatever team does good in the playoffs?

I was always led to believe that it was a meaningless award that no one cares about. Guess times have changed.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Isn’t the GM of the year award basically whatever team does good in the playoffs?

Basically if you make the final four. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you consider all the other awards but there you go.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I was always led to believe that it was a meaningless award that no one cares about. Guess times have changed.

Any award that involves voting is relatively meaningless.

 

[ACC1224]

Yeah, GM voting takes place after round 2 I believe, which is odd considering the Jack Adam’s is voted on before the playoffs even start. Why the delay I’ll never know.

Probably to see how the deadline moves a GM makes works out.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

If you were blaming Dubas when they struggled early in the season but don't give him credit when they are playing well, you have to realize you're being a bit of a hypocrite.

 

[ACC1224]

Any award that involves voting is relatively meaningless.

Matthews Calder?

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Matthews Calder?

Sure? Nice to have but relatively meaningless. Look at Norris voting, GM voting etc.

 

[ACC1224]

Sure? Nice to have but relatively meaningless. Look at Norris voting, GM voting etc.

Not sure that's a popular opinion. Not many legitimate awards left if you remove voting.

 

[4thline]

I was always led to believe that it was a meaningless award that no one cares about. Guess times have changed.

People care about it, but it is next to meaningless. What's it based on?
Best single season result relative to expectation?
Best tactical moves, regardless of outcome?
Best results from tactical moves?
Best moves as judged to benefit to the team moving forward from the date moving forward?
Best overall body of work from the last 3 seasons?
Most respected?
Best cocktail hour stories at annual GM conference and draft?

 

[ACC1224]

People care about it, but it is next to meaningless. What's it based on?
Best single season result relative to expectation?
Best tactical moves, regardless of outcome?
Best results from tactical moves?
Best moves as judged to benefit to the team moving forward from the date moving forward?
Best overall body of work from the last 3 seasons?
Most respected?
Best cocktail hour stories at annual GM conference and draft?

The bolded is how I would vote. Could be why Dubas never received any votes, he doesn't seem like he'd have many stories.

"I remember this time at the Brock Pub night......."

 

[Buds17]

Matthews Calder?

I'd replace "meaningless" with "subjective" for many of the awards. Matters of opinion that are based on...who knows what???