Movies: The Marvels

[Kiwi]

There doesn't seem to be a ton of momentum for this movie right now

Just seems like the whole superhero genre has hit a bit of a wall and there's a ton of apathy around towards it

The movie could be good for all I know but I'm not sure may superhero type movies are going to be really successful right now, especially if it cost 300M to make

 

[Viggo Mortensen]

There doesn't seem to be a ton of momentum for this movie right now

Just seems like the whole superhero genre has hit a bit of a wall and there's a ton of apathy around towards it

The movie could be good for all I know but I'm not sure may superhero type movies are going to be really successful right now, especially if it cost 300M to make

I'd say it depends on the superhero. There's just too many and they don't have the same appeal. Bring back Ironman and people will be hyped, same with Captain America. I don't care about the Marvels, or a blue beetle, whatever it is called.

 

[John Price]

I booked a showing for 4 pm tomorrow. I did that this morning.

There were only 2 seats reserved and I was the 2nd. Usually when I book most of the seats are taken.

I would hope more people go tomorrow

 

[Kiwi]

I'd say it depends on the superhero. There's just too many and they don't have the same appeal. Bring back Ironman and people will be hyped, same with Captain America. I don't care about the Marvels, or a blue beetle, whatever it is called.

I'm not even sure about Iorn man or Captain America now, it feels like people have moved on from the genre since endgame sort of tied things up

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Personally I haven't moved on at all... I've watched everything that the MCU has released post end game and for the most part it's all still interesting and enjoyable, though clearly still not stacking up at all with the hype around the MCU leading into Infinity War in particular.


That said, I think the issue is just straight up that the quality of movies have dipped. The connectiveness of the MCU doesn't feel nearly as prevalent as it did before either which was always a huge part of what made the MCU so cool and interesting to me. A lot of the common themes I'm seeing in the reviews for The Marvels is basically that while its a decent enough film, its just yet another example of complacency inside of Marvel right now and an unwillingness to get creative and try something entirely different.


I think they need to start really tying things together and start building up Kang as a truly terrifying villain. My big hope is that some of the R rated stuff coming out soon does well and opens the doors for them to start pushing the boundaries moving forward. I thought MoM was a solid film but still not great due to a bit of a messy story... However, Wanda killing the illuminati from Earth-838 and in the way she killed them really stuck out to me and they managed to still pull that off inside of a PG-13 movie.


I'd love to see them start setting a darker tone with some of the R rated content coming up and start hitting that side of the MCU more... Probably not to the level of gore or weirdness in general you get with The Boys, but a much more darker and grizzly side of the MCU would be cool to see IMO and it does kind of feel like they're getting some characters in place to start exploring that(Blade, Moon Knight, Daredevil, Black Knight, etc.).

 

[Babe Ruth]

I'd say it depends on the superhero. There's just too many and they don't have the same appeal. Bring back Ironman and people will be hyped, same with Captain America..

Good post..

When they're down to Ant-man and Blue Beetle, it's obvious the well is running dry.
They'll probably (desperately) dig up some more obscure sidekicks and indie comic characters for a final Hail Mary. But the comic book genre is losing its preeminence..
Characters like Batman & Capt America will always have a cyclical/recurring future tho.

 

[Ben Grimm]

MSN

It sounds horrible. I'll wait for it to come to Disney+.

 

[BertCorbeau]

TBH having the original Avengers show up in Kang Dynasty only to have Kang obliterate them would be a hell of a way to up the stakes.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Personally I haven't moved on at all... I've watched everything that the MCU has released post end game and for the most part it's all still interesting and enjoyable, though clearly still not stacking up at all with the hype around the MCU leading into Infinity War in particular.


That said, I think the issue is just straight up that the quality of movies have dipped. The connectiveness of the MCU doesn't feel nearly as prevalent as it did before either which was always a huge part of what made the MCU so cool and interesting to me. A lot of the common themes I'm seeing in the reviews for The Marvels is basically that while its a decent enough film, its just yet another example of complacency inside of Marvel right now and an unwillingness to get creative and try something entirely different.


I think they need to start really tying things together and start building up Kang as a truly terrifying villain. My big hope is that some of the R rated stuff coming out soon does well and opens the doors for them to start pushing the boundaries moving forward. I thought MoM was a solid film but still not great due to a bit of a messy story... However, Wanda killing the illuminati from Earth-838 and in the way she killed them really stuck out to me and they managed to still pull that off inside of a PG-13 movie.


I'd love to see them start setting a darker tone with some of the R rated content coming up and start hitting that side of the MCU more... Probably not to the level of gore or weirdness in general you get with The Boys, but a much more darker and grizzly side of the MCU would be cool to see IMO and it does kind of feel like they're getting some characters in place to start exploring that(Blade, Moon Knight, Daredevil, Black Knight, etc.).

I think part of the issue was seeing both Captain America and Iron Man go after Endgame.. that makes it hard to continue the story.

They had to rebuild the stakes and haven’t don’t a great job at it. They’ve tried to make big crossover movies without really establishing a new Avengers team. Phase 4 could have used an Avengers movie with a mid-tier villain to keep things going.

Instead they scattered the team, and then have added more heroes in (further displacing things) while introducing a complex backstory in the multiverse

Things need to start being pulled together. I’m hopeful The Marvels will further connect Earth 616 to the multiverse and tease how powerful Kang is

 

[barriers]

The Actors' Strike Is Over │ Exclaim!

SAG-AFTRA and the AMPTP have finally reached a tentative deal on a new three-year contract

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I imagine Bog Iger is pushing for Iman Vellani to start doing presswork by lunchtime

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I think part of the issue was seeing both Captain America and Iron Man go after Endgame.. that makes it hard to continue the story.

They had to rebuild the stakes and haven’t don’t a great job at it. They’ve tried to make big crossover movies without really establishing a new Avengers team. Phase 4 could have used an Avengers movie with a mid-tier villain to keep things going.

Instead they scattered the team, and then have added more heroes in (further displacing things) while introducing a complex backstory in the multiverse

Things need to start being pulled together. I’m hopeful The Marvels will further connect Earth 616 to the multiverse and tease how powerful Kang is

I was thinking about this more this morning as well.

I think the first MCU saga really benefited from having 2 Avengers movies done before Infinity War, and quite frankly also having Civil War which was another major ensemble cast movie.

They haven't done anything remotely close to that yet and as far as I know they aren't doing one for this saga. I think that's definitely going to hurt things here and already probably has. We really haven't gotten much opportunity to see a lot of these new characters interacting with each other yet, haven't seen any stories between characters building or anything like that. In the first Sega we had all kinds of different dynamics across different characters heading into Infinity War. Whether it was Tony absolutely hating Cap and TWS, or Bruce and Nats romantic thing, Hawkeyes secret family, the Sokovia accords and how it tore everyone apart and basically put them on two sides.... Lots of different dynamics. Right now we have absolutely none of that, a lot of the new characters that have been introduced post End Game have only been in 1 series/movie and they were isolated to be essentially the only heroes in that movie.


They need to start doing bigger ensemble casts that bring the world together and start having series/movies that distinguish just how big of a villain Kang is.


Its a bummer that it sounds like The Marvels is going to be a hard flop because this feels like the first movie post End Game that would be attempting to bring some characters together from different worlds and try to build some of those dynamics. But again while this movie is more ensemble like, it still as far as I know isn't doing anything to build up Kang or the saga we are heading towards.

 

[John Price]

62 on RT.

Will watch in like 5 hours and verify if that score is too high or low.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

We got our tickets for Sunday. I think Ms Marvel is one of the more underrated TV series, it was alot of fun. I think it suffered mostly from undefined/underdeveloped villains (which a few of the new shows in MCU have suffered from). And Cpt Marvel is one of the most underrated MCU projects, IMO. So I'm excited for this one.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

This one is sitting at 38% with the Top Critics on Rotten Tomatoes. That's brutal. I haven't seen that final trailer, but the first one I saw certainly didn't make The Marvels all that appealing. Not a well-defined villain and the humour in the trailer certainly wasn't all that funny.

You know what won't help your box office? Putting in two characters that much of the casual Marvel audience know little to nothing about because they haven't seen their shows on Disney Plus which many people don't subscribe. I guess Disney and Kevin Feige didn't have much faith that Captain Marvel could carry her own movie if they felt they had to shoe-horn in these 2 other characters. It also doesn't help that Secret Invasion - the somewhat prequel to this series was apparently awful and also not watched by that many people.

The opening weekend projections for this movie are pretty bad - only $40 - $60 million domestically. That likely means the movie will finish in the $100 - $140 million range in North American. Worldwide, it appears it's headed towards totals ranging from THe Flash on the low end ($250 million) and Black Adam ($390 million) on the high end. Considering the movie cost nearly $300 million to make including reshoots although film credits will apparently bring that down to $220 - $230 million, and marketing is probably another $100 - $150 million, the movie likely needs around $600 - $700 million, maybe even more, to break even. The final result likely means a loss in the $100 - $200 million range for Disney...similar to the Flash.

I'm leaning towards not seeing this one in theatres as it just doesn't look that interesting plus I haven't seen Ms Marvel or Secret Invasion so I'm not familiar with all the characters or the backstories. If I do pass, this will be first Marvel movie I have missed since Thor 2 back in 2013.

Disney really needs to drop the interconnectivity between the streaming shows and the movies that requires you to watch it one in order to completely understand the other. It's one of, but not the only, reason for declining interest and revenues. Take a hint from Netflix - they did Marvel tv shows properly. A nod to the Cinematic Universe, yet the shows were completely separate from the movies.

 

[Primary Assist]

Marvel at this point is like a former dynasty team that lost its star players (Iron Man, Cap) and is relying on its former 2nd and 3rd liners to stay competitive despite being miscast as top tier players. They are clearly on the downtrend, and a big hit like Guardians 3 is like pulling out a win despite getting outshot by 25 in the middle of a losing streak.

They need to find some new, cheap talent to plug and play into the lineup instead of thinking they can overpay free agent veterans (like RDJ or Chris Evans) at the TDL to be a contender.

I think I got that comparison right!

 

[John Price]

reviewers don't know shit that was a good movie

at least an 80

 

[Osprey]

I don't know why people even listen to objective film critics. If you can't trust fans who booked tickets for opening night weeks in advance, you can't trust anyone.

 

[John Price]

Pros

Spoiler

Plot was solid, albeit a bit difficult to follow, but once they started explaining what was going on it was fine

Movie was paced well, not too long

Synergy between the three was good. Didn't have a problem with Ashton as the villian. Love BTS as a supporting cast member

Suffice it to say I need to finish Hawkeye because Female Hawkeye plays a cameo at the end

Cons

Spoiler

Usually don't like musicals so people getting in song and dance because it's part of their planet didn't strike me too well. Thankfully it was brief

Ms Marvel simped hard for Captain Marvel but she's a teen. Oh well.

Don't bother with the ending credit scene. Mid-credit scene different story.

Not really much to complain about. Solid way to spend an hour and 30 min or however long the movie was. And yeah, you need to see the mid-credit scene.

Spoiler

They started with Dr Strange 2 but you can start to see the X-Men woven into the MCU...and it's beautiful

 

[John Price]

This one is sitting at 38% with the Top Critics on Rotten Tomatoes. That's brutal. I haven't seen that final trailer, but the first one I saw certainly didn't make The Marvels all that appealing. Not a well-defined villain and the humour in the trailer certainly wasn't all that funny.

You know what won't help your box office? Putting in two characters that much of the casual Marvel audience know little to nothing about because they haven't seen their shows on Disney Plus which many people don't subscribe. I guess Disney and Kevin Feige didn't have much faith that Captain Marvel could carry her own movie if they felt they had to shoe-horn in these 2 other characters. It also doesn't help that Secret Invasion - the somewhat prequel to this series was apparently awful and also not watched by that many people.

The opening weekend projections for this movie are pretty bad - only $40 - $60 million domestically. That likely means the movie will finish in the $100 - $140 million range in North American. Worldwide, it appears it's headed towards totals ranging from THe Flash on the low end ($250 million) and Black Adam ($390 million) on the high end. Considering the movie cost nearly $300 million to make including reshoots although film credits will apparently bring that down to $220 - $230 million, and marketing is probably another $100 - $150 million, the movie likely needs around $600 - $700 million, maybe even more, to break even. The final result likely means a loss in the $100 - $200 million range for Disney...similar to the Flash.

I'm leaning towards not seeing this one in theatres as it just doesn't look that interesting plus I haven't seen Ms Marvel or Secret Invasion so I'm not familiar with all the characters or the backstories. If I do pass, this will be first Marvel movie I have missed since Thor 2 back in 2013.

Disney really needs to drop the interconnectivity between the streaming shows and the movies that requires you to watch it one in order to completely understand the other. It's one of, but not the only, reason for declining interest and revenues. Take a hint from Netflix - they did Marvel tv shows properly. A nod to the Cinematic Universe, yet the shows were completely separate from the movies.

So there are a few nods to Disney Plus shows but to be fair Valentina appeared in Black Widow and she had appeared in the Winter Soldier TV show earlier. I don't watch the Marvel TV shows other than WandaVision and I was able to follow closely what went on in the movie despite knowing next to nothing about Ms Marvel.

Plus at Alamo the preview features they show before the film starts basically recaps the whole thing anyway. I got a brief summary of Ms Marvel despite having never seen it

 

[blueandgoldguy]

What the heck happened to Jussi? He used to be all over these Marvel threads and then he disappeared a few months ago. Hope he is OK.

 

[Osprey]

What the heck happened to Jussi? He used to be all over these Marvel threads and then he disappeared a few months ago. Hope he is OK.

He's still around in other sub-forums, like Geek Emporium. He must've gotten himself banned from this particular sub-forum back in mid July, when he stopped posting. I thought that he'd be back by now, but I guess that he got 6 months. I'm a little curious about what he said to get that.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

He's still around in other sub-forums, like Geek Emporium. He must've gotten himself banned from this particular sub-forum back in mid July, when he stopped posting. I thought that he'd be back by now, but I guess that he got 6 months. I'm a little curious about what he said to get that.

Ok. I miss the fanboy reviews from him. Hopefully he comes back.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Personally I haven't moved on at all... I've watched everything that the MCU has released post end game and for the most part it's all still interesting and enjoyable, though clearly still not stacking up at all with the hype around the MCU leading into Infinity War in particular.


That said, I think the issue is just straight up that the quality of movies have dipped. The connectiveness of the MCU doesn't feel nearly as prevalent as it did before either which was always a huge part of what made the MCU so cool and interesting to me. A lot of the common themes I'm seeing in the reviews for The Marvels is basically that while its a decent enough film, its just yet another example of complacency inside of Marvel right now and an unwillingness to get creative and try something entirely different.


I think they need to start really tying things together and start building up Kang as a truly terrifying villain. My big hope is that some of the R rated stuff coming out soon does well and opens the doors for them to start pushing the boundaries moving forward. I thought MoM was a solid film but still not great due to a bit of a messy story... However, Wanda killing the illuminati from Earth-838 and in the way she killed them really stuck out to me and they managed to still pull that off inside of a PG-13 movie.


I'd love to see them start setting a darker tone with some of the R rated content coming up and start hitting that side of the MCU more... Probably not to the level of gore or weirdness in general you get with The Boys, but a much more darker and grizzly side of the MCU would be cool to see IMO and it does kind of feel like they're getting some characters in place to start exploring that(Blade, Moon Knight, Daredevil, Black Knight, etc.).

im hoping no to the R rated stuff
i have kids and i dont want to rhem to see people banging on a bed or that stuff (e.g. first season of Jessica Jones banging scene)

 

[Adam Warlock]

Saw it tonight. It was okay. Some good, some bad, overall a typical popcorn flick.

I think a huge problem Marvel has, among many, is their marketing. Why are they out there advertising this movie with clips of endgame and thanos? Youre just setting people up to expect for disappointment.

They did the same with Quantamanium. They really showcased Kang and teased a dark and brutal turn in that movie that ended up never happening.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Just coming out of the theater.

Here’s how I strongly recommend you experience this movie.

- Watch Captain Marvel
- Watch Ms Marvel (seriously, it’s great)
- Maybe watch Secret Invasion
- Go to a theater with a bar, and order a double-shot of bourbon on the rocks and a couple of beers
- Check your seriousness at the door, relax and just enjoy the show

It’s not a great movie, but for Marvel junkies it’s very much worth a watch. It’s better than the past 2 or 3 MCU movies.

I was braced to cringe at girl-power tropes. There are none. There are actual strong female characters and gender isn’t explicitly mentioned at all because the acting and writing carries the show. I’m a little surprised that this hasn’t come up.

Iman Vellani as Ms Marvel is a casting home run on the same level as Downey/Iron Man and Hemsworth/Thor. She brings the same energy to her character that Tom Holland brings to Spider-Man. It’s amazing to see a young unknown actress take on a virtually unknown character and steal every scene. Again, I’m a little surprised this isn’t getting more praise. If you want a reason to watch these shows and movies, she’s a big one.

Like some of the other lower-profile MCU productions, this one has a lot of little nods to the comic book era. The art and writing reflect that someone behind the scenes took the time to know and love their source material. As someone old enough to have experienced these characters in print before they ever made the big screen, I appreciate those touches. It’s not just fan service… the “cosmic” era of Marvel had an aesthetic which is built into the DNA of these stories. That could easily have been missed, but they took the time to get it right.

Bottom line, I think this movie is taking a lot of shit from people who haven’t watched it. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a mediocre installment and hardly unmissable. But it’s not some disaster either. If you’ve been watching all the Marvel content, don’t stop with this movie. It’s plucky and fun and frankly better than some of the other crap they’ve churned out lately.