The Loss of Broberg and Holloway Gripe Thread

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He would be part of development cuz he wouldn't have been a rental like the others.

Give the Blues credit. They saw a player ready to take the next step.
Jackson clearly didn't. He f'ed up

How the Oilers management keep fxxx up time after time in the most obvious of choices during McDrais prime years and get away with it is mind boggling. It's decisions like this that have led to out 2 superstars having to carry so much of the load all the time.

Everyone knew Holloway arrived and was going to be that second wave of young guys pushing, and these cartoon characters just let him go for 2 mill. 😂
 

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I wonder how much time Oiler management actually spent debating whether to match the offer sheets... or did they let their ego get in the way and made up their minds right away and say something like 'eff these guys for signing these offer sheets... we're not matching'.
 
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I wonder how much time Oiler management actually spent debating whether to match the offer sheets... or did they let their ego get in the way and made up their minds right away and say something like 'eff these guys for signing these offer sheets... we're not matching'.
Both Jackson and Bowman come across as narcissistic pricks. 💯 % these guys went into the week planning comprising of ways to look smarter than all the media and fans. If Holloway gets close to 70 points or 30 goals, these guys should be fired on the spot. Absolute highway robbery by the Blues. Everyone saw this coming except these 2 idiots. What makes matters worse is they trotted out Blake Dermott, Troy Stecher, Noah Philp and Drake Cagiulla as possible upgrades. Eat dxxx.

Holloway should have been a slam dunk. Boo these goofs everytime they show up to Rogers.
 

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How the Oilers management keep fxxx up time after time in the most obvious of choices during McDrais prime years and get away with it is mind boggling. It's decisions like this that have led to out 2 superstars having to carry so much of the load all the time.

Everyone knew Holloway arrived and was going to be that second wave of young guys pushing, and these cartoon characters just let him go for 2 mill. 😂
We could have kept him for less than that. We tried forcing him to take the bare minimum as if he did nothing for us. Same with Broberg. Neither of these guys really wanted out
 
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I wonder how much time Oiler management actually spent debating whether to match the offer sheets... or did they let their ego get in the way and made up their minds right away and say something like 'eff these guys for signing these offer sheets... we're not matching'.
They definitely didn't do that.

As described by JJ, when the offersheets came in they spent time looking at all the possible scenarios it could play out. Match both, match none, Match one, etc.
 

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Bull. Broberg requested a trade and never rescinded that request.
None of us know what really happened. Even a trade demand is conditional. For me to take that seriously I'd have to see a trade demand again after the playoffs. All the reasons he demanded a trade for weren't there anymore. It was a totally new situation. I've seen players demand trades before, and having it end with a contract. It's not like a public rescinding of a trade request is required
 
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None of us know what really happened. Even a trade demand is conditional. For me to take that seriously I'd have to see a trade demand again after the playoffs. All the reasons he demanded a trade for weren't there anymore. It was a totally new situation. I've seen players demand trades before, and having it end with a contract. It's not like a public rescinding of a trade request is required
Oh be for real. It was out there. If he wanted to stay he would have told his agent to communicate that.
 
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None of us know what really happened. Even a trade demand is conditional. For me to take that seriously I'd have to see a trade demand again after the playoffs. All the reasons he demanded a trade for weren't there anymore. It was a totally new situation. I've seen players demand trades before, and having it end with a contract. It's not like a public rescinding of a trade request is required
You're saying none of us know what really happened (and that is true) but earlier, you said neither of the guys really wanted out. We don't really know that either, do we? (Broberg did request a trade months earlier, but again, no one really knows if he still felt that way after the playoffs)
 

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Oh be for real. It was out there. If he wanted to stay he would have told his agent to communicate that.
Why would an agent do that? Rescinding a trade request would come after the contract, not before.

The agent and the Oilers were negotiating a contract. If the agent said that he still wanted out after that playoffs, he would have been traded.

But either way, even if you disagree with all this, the only real point of discussing this is connecting it to the quality of our management

I wanted us to keep Broberg but I would have been okay with trading him if we weren't going to find an extra million to keep him. Our management got it very wrong when they assumed we weren't susceptible. Wasn't there a story that Broberg even approached our management with the St.Louis offer sheet? If he really wanted out why even talk? And if management hears that then why not trade him?
 
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You're saying none of us know what really happened (and that is true) but earlier, you said neither of the guys really wanted out. We don't really know that either, do we? (Broberg did request a trade months earlier, but again, no one really knows if he still felt that way after the playoffs)
That's fair enough, but we are a contender who went deep in the playoffs, and they were important parts of that. Opportunity was what Broberg was upset about, and he was given that. So sure, there's some logic there instead of real evidence.

It seems clear that Broberg signed the offer sheet for the same reason Holloway did. Money. Just about any player would have in the same position
 

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Why would an agent do that? Rescinding a trade request would come after the contract, not before.

The agent and the Oilers were negotiating a contract. If the agent said that he still wanted out after that playoffs, he would have been traded.

But either way, even if you disagree with all this, the only real point of discussing this is connecting it to the quality of our management

I wanted us to keep Broberg but I would have been okay with trading him if we weren't going to find an extra million to keep him. Our management got it very wrong when they assumed we weren't susceptible. Wasn't there a story that Broberg even approached our management with the St.Louis offer sheet? If he really wanted out why even talk? And if management hears that then why not trade him?
Holloway approached them, not Broberg.

It’s clear the Oilers wanted to keep them at reasonable rates of pay, unfortunately that wasn’t what these two wanted so they signed offer sheets that were designed to ensure we wouldn’t even receive reasonable compensation.
Trading either of them wasn’t something they wanted to do simply because the Oilers knew they needed cheap young talent to thread into the lineup.

That being said I’m going to leave this thread because I’m over the incessant whining about what management did or didn’t do with regard to these two.
 

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the thing we keep forgetting or probably is a big reason is how do you sign these kids for this when other players came here at big discounts. Henrique was offered more by Winnipeg, Brown came here at a huge discount, etc. etc. Even Draisaitl, how do you overpay on Brober and then talk to Drai about signing for something reasonable and not getting overpaid?
 
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Podkolzin isn't close to the player Holloway is turning out to be. Sorry man. Not even close. We will be lucky if Podz scores 20 in a season one day. Holloway looked like a perennial 30 goal 70 point guy tonight.
Playing with mcdavid or draisaitl type of players requires above average to high IQ.

It's like saying Holloway prime with Crosby prime would be unstoppable. Think about how many wingers Crosby had until they found that plug Kunitz.

Draisaitl had how many wingers rotate with him in musical chairs? Watch how Podz play. He finds Drai with high IQ passes. Podz know when to stand in front of the goal, when to fly into the corners, and is defensively responsible. Sure Holloway is the better goal scorer than Podz, no doubt about that, but can he compliment Draisaitl as a winger? I doubt Evander Kane is better for draisaitl than podz. Let's wait and see.

I'm not sure how much truth is there about hyman being useless without mcdavid. That's what a lot of leafs fans say. Holloway would not outscore hyman if he played with mcdavid
 

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the thing we keep forgetting or probably is a big reason is how do you sign these kids for this when other players came here at big discounts. Henrique was offered more by Winnipeg, Brown came here at a huge discount, etc. etc. Even Draisaitl, how do you overpay on Brober and then talk to Drai about signing for something reasonable and not getting overpaid?

Well they're young guys and have more value to the team since they're an investment in the future. I don't think you should compare young contracts to veterans who have made their money and are mostly wanting to win with a group of guys they like playing with.

There was obviously no way they should've matched Broberg though with his price and how solid their left side D is. In retrospect, it seems like signing Skinner and not matching Holloway was maybe their big mistake. But they also made a lot of good resigning decisions. As well as the decision to let Desharnais go (I guess anyone could've made that decision) and trade Ceci for Emberson.

I don't think that the Oilers' off-season can be summarized as simply 'lost Holloway for Skinner.'

You could criticize the Arvidsson signing as well, but he's still an uncertainty as he could still prove to be very useful on the 2nd line. He was obviously a gamble and so far it's looking pretty sketchy.
 
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the thing we keep forgetting or probably is a big reason is how do you sign these kids for this when other players came here at big discounts. Henrique was offered more by Winnipeg, Brown came here at a huge discount, etc. etc. Even Draisaitl, how do you overpay on Brober and then talk to Drai about signing for something reasonable and not getting overpaid?
If Winnipeg wanted to pay more for Henrique then let them. He's not really worth what we're paying him right now.

I think the players care more about building a winning team. If they were worried about overpayments well there's lots of those going around, including one egregious one that we had to buy out.
 

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the thing we keep forgetting or probably is a big reason is how do you sign these kids for this when other players came here at big discounts. Henrique was offered more by Winnipeg, Brown came here at a huge discount, etc. etc. Even Draisaitl, how do you overpay on Brober and then talk to Drai about signing for something reasonable and not getting overpaid?
Henrique is one of the biggest mistakes in recent Oilers history, from the trade price tag, to the contract, to the fact that he costed us McLeod/Holloway. Should've just let Winnipeg take him. Heck, should've never touched this bum in the first place. Not a coincidence that he and Jeff Skinner were the only players who sucked in our most dominant game of the season yesterday. Brown absolutely did not come here at a huge discount, he was a player who didn't play a game for nearly 2 years and milked us for 4 million, that 3 million dollar bonus being another major reason we couldn't keep our young players.
 

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If Winnipeg wanted to pay more for Henrique then let them. He's not really worth what we're paying him right now.

I think the players care more about building a winning team. If they were worried about overpayments well there's lots of those going around, including one egregious one that we had to buy out.
Why would Drai sign the rest of his career away at an affordable $14million...taken less for the Oilers to overpay Broberg at $4+ million and hasn't proven himself at all?
 
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Why would Drai sign the rest of his career away at an affordable $14million...taken less for the Oilers to overpay Broberg at $4+ million and hasn't proven himself at all?
He still signed despite Nurses overpay. I understand he’s playing well now but I don’t think players care about that as much as we think they do.
 

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He still signed despite Nurses overpay. I understand he’s playing well now but I don’t think players care about that as much as we think they do.
Wrong. Nurse signed that years ago. I can guarantee you that had something to do with it. They wanted to keep the team together as much as they can and add to it and many took less to stay or come here and Drai did not ask for what he could have got all to keep the team together and to then go and give Broberg much over his market value after that would not have sat well with any of them.
 

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