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The Kings broke the Sharks

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TonySCV

TonySCV

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Mar 2, 2004
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At least it sure sounds that way...

http://www.jewelsfromthecrown.com/2014/5/15/5722600/have-the-kings-finally-closed-san-joses-window

"In the immediate aftermath of that devastating loss, Fear the Fin declared that the Sharks couldn't afford to overreact to their historic collapse. Today, Doug Wilson appeared to state that he planned on doing exactly that. His comments were lengthy, so let's break them down point-by-point and analyze how that will affect the lineup the Sharks will ice next season, starting with his most definitive remarks. All of his plans seemed to come from a desire to get "younger, harder, and more aggressive", and while those sound like good things on paper, in practice his moves could be a disaster."

"Dan Boyle and Martin Havlat will both not return to the Sharks next season."

"Brent Burns will move back from forward to defenseman."

"They will likely trade one of Joe Thornton or Patrick Marleau. Or maybe even both."

Honestly, this is what the Sharks need to do. Their current core obviously isn't working. The sooner they address that, the better for the Sharks.

Fans will probably look back on this epic loss in a few years and say that it was the best thing that could have happened to the team.
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FearTheFin might be the single most delusional sports blog on the entire internet, and that is quite the accomplishment considering the competition for that honor.

Anyone who says that the Sharks collapse wasn't that big a deal or that Niemi is "just as good" as Quick clearly has no idea what they are talking about.
 
Herby said:
FearTheFin might be the single most delusional sports blog on the entire internet, and that is quite the accomplishment considering the competition for that honor.

Anyone who says that the Sharks collapse wasn't that big a deal or that Niemi is "just as good" as Quick clearly has no idea what they are talking about.
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Agreed. Fear the Fin is absolute trash. I love calling them out on Twitter.
 
TonySCV said:
"Dan Boyle and Martin Havlat will both not return to the Sharks next season."

"Brent Burns will move back from forward to defenseman."

"They will likely trade one of Joe Thornton or Patrick Marleau. Or maybe even both."
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Doug Wilson said the first two things for sure. The bolded he hasn't said. Could happen, but jumping the gun a bit.
 
I think they should've got rid of Todd Mclellan.

He's a fine coach technically, but I believe teams ultimately take on the personality of their head coach, and Mclellan doesn't exude that confidence and calmness I think they need.

I bet a coach like Sutter would consitently take the Sharks deep into the playoffs.
 
Basilisk said:
Three of their main players turn 35 this Summer..... It's time to rebuild......
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Oh no, that's what I meant. It's not like the cupboards are bare; they can move a lot of players for assets. Call Thornton tin man if you like, he's still gonna command a nice haul for an on-the-fly rebuild, you know?
 
Asheru said:
Doug Wilson said the first two things for sure. The bolded he hasn't said. Could happen, but jumping the gun a bit.
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I believe Wilson's official words were no option is off the table when it came to personnel moves.

Also, the Kings broke the Canucks, too, when they beat them 4-1 in the Cup year. It's been all downhill for that franchise ever since Brown leveled Sedin in front of the bench.
 
It was only a matter of time and besides, it wasn't like we broke a legit cup contender. By the time this season rolled around they were on their last legs. It was win the cup or rebuild anyways. That said happy to see us wear them down to rebuild and going to be fun watching Wilson dance.
 
We broke their team up, but without a doubt if they trade thorton and Marleau for the right price they can be back into contention. They have a lot of good pieces.
 
Riposte! said:
Also, the Kings broke the Canucks, too, when they beat them 4-1 in the Cup year. It's been all downhill for that franchise ever since Brown leveled Sedin in front of the bench.
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There was also the Coyotes who haven't been back to the playoffs since 2012. Didn't break them but certainly the Kings began the slow crumble to oblivion.

The Canucks the Kings didn't really break. That began when Boston beat them in 2011, the Kings definitely put the final couple of cracks in them before they became unglued against the Sharks and then this past season.

Also lets not forget the credit the Kings can take for making sure the Oilers stay at the bottom of the NHL. Trade Vis for Greene and Stoll who become key parts here for a few years? Sure. Acquire Penner who scores a couple of huge goals on the Kings route to the cup? Why not. Trade whining Ryan Smyth's big dumb face back there, for Fraser who was instrumental in solidifying the Kings 4th line, and make cap space for Carter? Yeah.

The Kings have mistreated almost every team in their division in one way or another and I love it!
 
There's a reason Boston traded Thornton out of nowhere lo so many years ago now.
They knew he wasn't a big time playoff performer.
Very astute of them.
 
Putting Quick and the fear of Kings into San Jose is not a unique situation. Just look at the Nucks and Blues. Something about the way we beat opponents is really demoralizing.

It makes them feel like even if they had another 7 games they'd still lose.
 
Knight of the Realm said:
I would take Boyle for a year if Mitchell is done.
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Heck I'd take Boyle for 2 years even if Mitchell comes back...if the price for the two are right. With so many old dudes, 7D may be a necessity.


Basilisk said:
Three of their main players turn 35 this Summer..... It's time to rebuild......
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They really should...they have parts that would gather a lot of futures and with players already there like Stalock, Hertl, Couture, the rebuild could be quick.

There's only one problem...Wilson has completely burned through the farm stockpile that Lombardi left.
 
It's a classic problem. What to do about star players when their just hitting the point of decline. Keep them and you still have a shot, trade them and you can build assets for the next shot but you don't necessarily know when that's going to happen.

Worse the Sharks do have some nice young talent. If they go full rebuild and trade for picks they're going to loss a couple of prime years missing the playoffs or even worse they're still going to be good enough to make it and then lose in the first round. Honestly the Sharks could still be around with just a bit more luck and a different match-up...

Same problem the Canucks have and the issue with the Flames a few years ago.
 
What farm stockpile?

Wilson deserves a ton of blame for recent issues, but the Sharks system was not overly stocked, most of their young talent came from the 97 and 98 drafts (which were huge successes for the Sharks) but those guys were established NHL regulars when Wilson took over. In the four drafts before being fired Lombardi essentially whiffed on 3 of them. 1999, 2000 and 2002. And while 2001 was a pretty good draft the best players the Sharks drafted over that four year period were Ryane Clowe (2001) and Christian Ehrhoff (2001), please give some examples on how the system was loaded when Wilson took over, it simply wasn't.
 
Tad you bring up some good points, but the biggest issue is the extensions given to Thornton and Marleau that included full NTC's. That was some awful team management by Wilson.
 
tigermask48 said:
There was also the Coyotes who haven't been back to the playoffs since 2012. Didn't break them but certainly the Kings began the slow crumble to oblivion.

The Canucks the Kings didn't really break. That began when Boston beat them in 2011, the Kings definitely put the final couple of cracks in them before they became unglued against the Sharks and then this past season.
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Eh, yes and no. Yeah, they blew a 3-2 edge in the Finals, but they turned around and won the Presidents Trophy the next year before getting beat by the Kings.
 
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