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The insanity needs to stop this offseason barring a miracle.

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darrylsittler27 said:
Let's not forget Leafs like to give away assets for vets while their players, own rentals walk for free. Their ineptitude is epic in any sport. Even the Cubbies won.
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Love this

Been saying the same for years. This is exactly what we do.
 
thewave said:
Not really. The best option was to trade Marner after the MTL bs. That would have got us a haul and a half. We could have fixed the D etc. Fired Dubas then as well.
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Unless we win the cup in the next few years (pause for laughter), we will forever regret not making big moves after the Montreal series.

I still can't believe we stayed on that course. It's mind boggling.
 
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We’re playing Tampa in round 1 on the road. Our bottom 6 is terrible.

unless vasi caves, it’s one and done.

Our forwards have no jam that u need in the playoffs.
 
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The Shadow said:
Matthews is a big time loser. He’s a rich loser but still a loser. What kind of captain ever says ‘I guess we expected an easier night’ after being pummeled by Las Vegas - a perennial contender????

How dumb do you have to be to expect an easy night against a contending team.

He should never have been captain. You need someone who has that win at all costs mentality like a Brady Tkachuk who despite having never won a cup anyone can tell this guy has the passion and will to do whatever it takes and I would bet any money he will win at least a cup or two in his career. He was just dealt a bad hand by being drafted to a terribly run team
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I'll take that bet.
 
-DeMo- said:
don't understand the fascination with Lou just because we've been pour as an organization over the last 7 years doesn't mean Lou's time in NYI has been a success because it hasn't.
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And yet that very low bar of success....we're still here looking up at that.

That's how spectacular of a failure this Leafs era has been.
 
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Leafsfan74 said:
Look at Colorado, they didn't like the number Rantanans team was asking and to his horror he is traded. it's that simple. "We own the team, not you".

Luka is traded to the Lakers, everyone is shocked and in a sport in which one player is FAR more important than in the NHL, they made a suicide pact and traded him. They decided for a number of reasons they didn't want to risk the max contract for him. Right or wrong, it's there team, not his.

Pietroangelo asked for too much for the Blues tastes, they wouldn't offer him the NMC which he wanted, they had their captain walk for nothing, but at least it was AFTER they won a Cup, so mission accomplished. "No hard feelings, all the best." They didnt wait 9 years...

They own the team, not the player. A player I thought the Leafs should have picked up rather than re-signing Reilly.

If Leafs were genuinely focused on winning, they would have made the right moves long ago. They aren't truly. They are running it solely as a business and taking the path of least resistance which allows them to print money and sell merchandise is more palatable to them than making the tough decision which COULD lead to a Cup but risks short term guaranteed profits from advertisers who like flash and squishy, wholesome players.

The risk of winning a Cup and increasing value is not worth jeopardizing the sure revenue. So here were are 58 years later.
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thewave said:
Not really. The best option was to trade Marner after the MTL bs. That would have got us a haul and a half. We could have fixed the D etc. Fired Dubas then as well.
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could not agree more. But yea, that ship sailed long ago.
Ha! Habs eliminated the leafs and then went into rebuild. Leafs lost to Habs and then doubled down. 🤣
 
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-DeMo- said:
don't understand the fascination with Lou just because we've been pour as an organization over the last 7 years doesn't mean Lou's time in NYI has been a success because it hasn't.
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The highlight for Leafs fans in the last 50 years is 1993 and 2002 Conference Finals. People still talk about them to this day. Islanders have achieved that twice since hiring Lou.

And I don't recall them losing to a zamboni driver so how bad could it really be?
 
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I always find it funny when people think Bobby McMann is young. He is 28 lol. He's older then Marner and Matthews. I like McMann, but if anyone actually thinks he is a core piece to this puzzle, we are in trouble.
 
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Azail said:
I always find it funny when people think Bobby McMann is young. He is 28 lol. He's older then Marner and Matthews. I like McMann, but if anyone actually thinks he is a core piece to this puzzle, we are in trouble.
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He's a late boomer, and he's done well for himself, but his next contract could be troublesome.
 
Azail said:
I always find it funny when people think Bobby McMann is young. He is 28 lol. He's older then Marner and Matthews. I like McMann, but if anyone actually thinks he is a core piece to this puzzle, we are in trouble.
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ya got that right.
but most leaf fans fall in live with anyone who puts the jersey on. Carlo turned into a difference maker last week.
 
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Leafsfan74 said:
Look at Colorado, they didn't like the number Rantanans team was asking and to his horror he is traded. it's that simple. "We own the team, not you".

Luka is traded to the Lakers, everyone is shocked and in a sport in which one player is FAR more important than in the NHL, they made a suicide pact and traded him. They decided for a number of reasons they didn't want to risk the max contract for him. Right or wrong, it's there team, not his.

Pietroangelo asked for too much for the Blues tastes, they wouldn't offer him the NMC which he wanted, they had their captain walk for nothing, but at least it was AFTER they won a Cup, so mission accomplished. "No hard feelings, all the best." They didnt wait 9 years...

They own the team, not the player. A player I thought the Leafs should have picked up rather than re-signing Reilly.

If Leafs were genuinely focused on winning, they would have made the right moves long ago. They aren't truly. They are running it solely as a business and taking the path of least resistance which allows them to print money and sell merchandise is more palatable to them than making the tough decision which COULD lead to a Cup but risks short term guaranteed profits from advertisers who like flash and squishy, wholesome players.

The risk of winning a Cup and increasing value is not worth jeopardizing the sure revenue. So here were are 58 years later.
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Yup. Sanitized Corporate Nu-Hockey for a Corporate Politically Correct Canadian market.
 
Tie Domi Esquire said:
The highlight for Leafs fans in the last 50 years is 1993 and 2002 Conference Finals. People still talk about them to this day. Islanders have achieved that twice since hiring Lou.

And I don't recall them losing to a zamboni driver so how bad could it really be?
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it's really an absolute joke that the 93 and 2002 Leafs teams are heralded as great teams and guys like Gimour/Clarke are trotted out like hero's because they didn't accomplish much either imo. losing in the conference finals is no different in my books as missing the playoffs. there can be success in individual season's as you build towards being a cup favorite, there can be season's where your building experience as a young team and those can be successes within the overall failure that each season brings but at the end of the day only 1 team achieves success each year. 31 fail. Cups are all that really matters. you either win or you go out losing.
 
Dekes For Days said:
He wasn't the reason they went to the cup finals twice. There's also no Tkachuk alternative coming.
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Its a team game.
Nobody can argue with results immediately after the trade. They became a play off team.
We don't expect the bulk of leaf fans or Dubass to understand that.
 
TheVision said:
On the bright side, letting Marner and Tavares walk will free up 20-22M in space. Could you get Bennett, Marchand, and Ehlers for that? The felxibility will be worth letting them walk. I have ZERO confidence this team will go any further than they have the last 7yrs.
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Marchand will never play here and we may have to find a true 1dman. We have a good vet defense that lacks that weapon every Stanley winner has. We could add all those 3 and lose.
 
-DeMo- said:
it's really an absolute joke that the 93 and 2002 Leafs teams are heralded as great teams and guys like Gimour/Clarke are trotted out like hero's because they didn't accomplish much either imo. losing in the conference finals is no different in my books as missing the playoffs.
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lawl.. if our current crop had the heart of that 93 team we’d have a couple of cups already. They massively overachieved.
 
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-DeMo- said:
don't understand the fascination with Lou just because we've been pour as an organization over the last 7 years doesn't mean Lou's time in NYI has been a success because it hasn't.
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I use Lou to juxtapose the direction Leafs went in. I'm not a fan of his decisions this late in his career, but he has a lengthy track record and if Leafs were going to move on from him they should have at least allowed him to negotiate the MMN contracts, with some guideliness from the owners.

The point I am making is that even in lowly NYI, the team that lost their best player and captain to the Leafs; their depth lead them to far more success than Leafs top heavy approach.

The cautionary tale is "are they going to dozen (12) down on this core"?
 
-DeMo- said:
it's really an absolute joke that the 93 and 2002 Leafs teams are heralded as great teams and guys like Gimour/Clarke are trotted out like hero's because they didn't accomplish much either imo. losing in the conference finals is no different in my books as missing the playoffs. there can be success in individual season's as you build towards being a cup favorite, there can be season's where your building experience as a young team and those can be successes within the overall failure that each season brings but at the end of the day only 1 team achieves success each year. 31 fail. Cups are all that really matters. you either win or you go out losing.
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You really can't tell the difference between those teams and these guys? :help:
 
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