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This isn't true. It may be the norm and I may be the exception but you can't say it's impossible.

Take last Saturday night - The Celtics are playing Cleveland, the Bruins are playing Washington. A minute number of fans may switch back and forth or set up a second screen but the vast majority are going to pick one game.

Look I follow the Red Sox, Patriots and Bruins passionately and I will watch the Celtics if there is no conflict but I agree with the premise you are either a hockey fan or a basketball fan. In my case I will usually wind up watching an out of town hockey game then a Celtics game if there is no conflict.

2 weeks ago I was in a bar in Chicago which has a few Boston regulars but the bar caters to hockey fans. They had house sound on for the Bruins game and NOBODY was watching the hometown Bulls.



The owner of the bar says Center Ice brings in more customers than any other league package besides the NHL. He has fans from St Louis, Detroit, Minneapolis, Pittsburgh looking for hockey all the time, the NBA package he says the outside of Celtics games nobody ever comes in looking for an out of town game.
 
Bruins also have a winning record and better record against playoff teams

But yet our media says they can't beat good teams

The Cetics have a losing record against playoff teams but yet the talk of the town is how good they are and how they can beat anyone

Not sure why that is

Boston media has just been so negitive towards the Bruins this year
 
Boston media has just been so negitive towards the Bruins this year

The Globe has always leaned towards the Celtics ( but had had good hockey writers over the years ) and the lead columnists have always for the most part tilted towards the NBA partly because Shaughnessy and Ryan were Celtics beat writers. I emailed Dan to try and get the ratings breakdown between the Bruins and Celtics and he replied within seconds.


Shaughnessy, Daniel
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Don't have it.
Talked to Comcast boss and he owned up to it. I think it was in the 2-to-1 ratio.

Dan Shaughnessy
Sports columnist/Associate Editor
Boston Globe
135 Morrissey Blvd.
Boston, MA. 02125

Bob Ryan to his credit confesses that he grew up in Trenton, NJ and was never exposed to the NHL until he went to BC. He likes the Bruins but will admit he does not feel qualified to write about it.

The greatest hockey column I have ever seen in the Globe came from a columnist you would never associate with hockey simply because he grew up African-American in Akron, Ohio and yet Michael Holley won me over forever with this when the Globe sent him to Montreal to cover the funeral of Maurice Richard.

This is writing at its best

LOVE OF ORIGINAL ROCKET WILL NEVER BE QUIETED
[THIRD Edition]
Boston Globe - Boston, Mass.
Subjects: Professional hockey; Funerals; Sports fans
Author: Holley, Michael
Date: Jun 1, 2000
Start Page: D.1
Section: Sports
Document Text
MICHAEL HOLLEY

MONTREAL -
Some of them had risen before the sun, either too wise or too sad to sleep late on a morning like yesterday's. They knew all the flags would be at half-staff; that the National Assembly would not be in session; that many of Old Montreal's streets would be sealed off by barricades; and that when they heard the Notre Dame Basilica bells ring just after noon, they wouldn't have to ask, "For whom do the bells toll?"

The fans and the bells were for Maurice Richard, the late hockey star who was being eulogized in a state funeral.

As this happened, helicopters circled the area. Photographers positioned themselves atop the Bank of Montreal (a 10-story building). Le Journal de Montreal sent three reporters and six photographers into a crowd of thousands, trying to find more stories about - with all apologies to Roger Clemens and Raghib Ismail - the original Rocket.

There were boys and girls. Hommes and femmes. Owners of expensive homes as well as the homeless. All of them could not fit into the spectacular basilica, where 3,000 people sat and listened as the Archbishop of Montreal talked about a man who was to French Canadians what Joe Louis was to black Americans. So thousands of fans, more fans than most Americans would dare imagine, stood outside near a plaza and watched the ceremony on a huge video screen.

One man wore a tattered Canadiens T-shirt and held a Habs flag above his head for at least two hours. There was a Canadian flag with Richard's No. 9 centered in the leaf. Bike messengers rested and watched. There were sounds of rich organs and mournful falsettos. There was even an attentive, shirtless man wearing a Yankees cap.

The Rocket played his last game 40 years ago, meaning that many of the people who attended his funeral never saw him play. But that's only half of the intrigue.

True, some fans were here to say goodbye to the man who, for 18 years, took the ice in a fury. Old-timers tell you about his eyes, how they were as round as two full moons. When in pursuit of the puck, his graphite eyes would expand, as if he were an enraged man trying to emphasize a point. He scored 626 goals in his career, 544 in the regular season. His team won eight Stanley Cups, including five in a row from 1956-60. In 1952, he was bloodied and concussed in Game 7 of the Cup Final against the Bruins. He recovered, scored the winning goal, and passed out again.

There were those who came here to remember that.

And there were also those who came to see a couple of disquieting burials: Richard's and a part of a culture's. Richard, who had stomach cancer and Parkinson's disease, died Saturday morning. He was 78. He took some of the defiance of the 1940s and '50s with him. To many French Quebecers, Richard made an implicit political statement each time he played. He was fearless and relentless. He never asked those of English descent to respect him; he demanded it. The fans' love for him was so intense that there was a riot here on his behalf in 1955.

Yesterday, Richard's funeral procession passed Ste. Catherine Street. It was a peaceful ceremony. But 45 years ago, the street's stores were aflame in his name. He had been suspended for punching an official during a game in Boston. League president Clarence Campbell decided that the Rocket should miss the regular season and the playoffs, in addition to losing a chance at his first scoring title.

The next Canadiens game, on St. Patrick's Day, was in Montreal. Campbell attended and was pelted with tomatoes. One fan approached and punched him in the face. When the scene became too violent, the Habs were forced to forfeit. Fans spilled into the street and began what came to be known as the Richard Riots.

Pedro Martinez was recently suspended five games. Imagine: Sox fans looting Back Bay in the Pedro Riots. It's hard to envision because there is no current United States equivalent to Richard. There isn't an athlete in this country who would elicit the praise that Richard did. The man quieted an entire province yesterday. Out of respect to Richard, the National Assembly decided that it would do no business yesterday. More than 115,000 people went to the Molson Centre Tuesday and viewed his body, lying in an open casket.

He could be unrelenting when the subject was hockey. He once ripped Campbell in a newspaper column, basically calling him an Anglo with an (anti-French) angle. He said Gordie Howe didn't score many significant goals; Howe in turn called him a *******.

No one mentioned that yesterday when Howe left Old Montreal and boarded a bus. There were several chartered buses going Howe's way, transporting NHL officials, special guests and extended family members to the cemetery. A few Canadiens loyalists heckled Howe as he left. He smiled. The Rocket probably would have wanted it that way.

As the dignitaries left, many fans stayed behind, still waving their flags. Some came here out of family obligation: Their parents loved Richard and they feel they must, too. It's like voting for a certain political party because that's the way your parents voted.

Some came here to make a statement of their own; they came to honor Richard as a hero. Heroism is often linked with unassailable behavior when, in fact, that has nothing to do with it. Heroes are determined by their audience. And yesterday's audience said plenty about heroism, simply by showing up and listening to the bells toll.
 
I don't think it could be more simple to explain.

The Celtics can defend.

The Bruins haven't proven that they can defend on a consistent basis.

Not much of a difference actually

Celtics ranks 9th In Eastern Conference in Points Allowed

13th in NBA

Bruins rank 11th in Eastern Conference in Goals Against

18th in NHL
 
Bruins also have a winning record and better record against playoff teams

But yet our media says they can't beat good teams

The Cetics have a losing record against playoff teams but yet the talk of the town is how good they are and how they can beat anyone

Not sure why that is

Boston media has just been so negitive towards the Bruins this year

My takeaway from Bruins media is that they can't beat good teams in a series. For example, Washington. The defense looks destined to be exposed over a 7 game series.
 
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The Globe has always leaned towards the Celtics ( but had had good hockey writers over the years ) and the lead columnists have always for the most part tilted towards the NBA partly because Shaughnessy and Ryan were Celtics beat writers. I emailed Dan to try and get the ratings breakdown between the Bruins and Celtics and he replied within seconds.




Bob Ryan to his credit confesses that he grew up in Trenton, NJ and was never exposed to the NHL until he went to BC. He likes the Bruins but will admit he does not feel qualified to write about it.

The greatest hockey column I have ever seen in the Globe came from a columnist you would never associate with hockey simply because he grew up African-American in Akron, Ohio and yet Michael Holley won me over forever with this when the Globe sent him to Montreal to cover the funeral of Maurice Richard.

This is writing at its best

That is awesome, thanks so much for posting. Some of the best writing I've ever seen from Holley. Or anyone from the Globe, for that matter. Shaughnessy can only wish he could nail it like that.

The problem with much of the sports media in Boston is basic - they don't care about hockey, and if you don't care about a particular subject, you're not going to go beyond the surface.
 
Take last Saturday night - The Celtics are playing Cleveland, the Bruins are playing Washington. A minute number of fans may switch back and forth or set up a second screen but the vast majority are going to pick one game.

Look I follow the Red Sox, Patriots and Bruins passionately and I will watch the Celtics if there is no conflict but I agree with the premise you are either a hockey fan or a basketball fan. In my case I will usually wind up watching an out of town hockey game then a Celtics game if there is no conflict.

2 weeks ago I was in a bar in Chicago which has a few Boston regulars but the bar caters to hockey fans. They had house sound on for the Bruins game and NOBODY was watching the hometown Bulls.



The owner of the bar says Center Ice brings in more customers than any other league package besides the NHL. He has fans from St Louis, Detroit, Minneapolis, Pittsburgh looking for hockey all the time, the NBA package he says the outside of Celtics games nobody ever comes in looking for an out of town game.


I don't disagree that I'm in the minority, but you said it's impossible and it's not. I had the C's on my computer in my lap and the Bs on the TV last Saturday.
 
Many fans still aren't over the Thornton trade. I am... Savard, Chara, Sturm, Ference isn't such a poor return. Joe Morrow?....

More on topic, even; in basketball 1 good draft pick becomes 20% of your core. In hockey it becomes 5%.

20%??? More like 50.

I've always hated the NBA because most championship teams literally revolve around one or two players.

For some reason, by the time basketball makes it to the "highest level" it's a stupid game to me. Generally have to be 6'5" or above to have a chance, entire team revolves around a couple of players, etc.

Doc Rivers was a nothing coach until they got Allen and Garnett one offseason and immediately got the championship. Now, he's apparently one of the game's great coaches...
 
I've thought for a long time that the media in Boston has gone softer on the Celtics and harder on the Bruins. When the Celtics lose it's because of injuries, but when the Bruins lose it's because they are lousy.

I like CSNNE a lot...vastly superior to NESN. But that said, there are (understandably, they have the Celtics' rights) several people there who put the Bruins down to glorify the Celtics
 
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That is awesome, thanks so much for posting. Some of the best writing I've ever seen from Holley. Or anyone from the Globe, for that matter. Shaughnessy can only wish he could nail it like that.

The problem with much of the sports media in Boston is basic - they don't care about hockey, and if you don't care about a particular subject, you're not going to go beyond the surface.

At least Ryan is upfront about it. His expertise is basketball and baseball. He fully understands the passion of Bruins fans but he doesn't have a feel for the game.

The Holley column on Richard was impressive on so main levels and by making the connection to Joe Louis he could make readers understand why the Rocket was so important to Quebec.

The biggest mistake in Boston television history occurred in 1967 when Channel 56 which was then partly owned by the Globe decided to drop Bruins coverage in favor of the Celtics and TV38 decided to give the Bruins a shot. How did that work out?

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Speaking of draft picks the Bruins had 3 first rounders last year and have 2 this year so it ain't all bad.
 
I love watching both teams !! This group of Celtics works their butt off every night much similar to the Bruins.
 
I hate the pick sides thing in the media.

Basketball is my weakest sport and by far but I could name every Celtics player and watch them quite a bit. I was ecstatic when they grabbed Jordan Mickey but he went in second round which proved to me how I don't understand basketball talent

I root for them.

Most of this is media fueled and most of the media is meh.

One guy who is outstanding is Dalen Cuff. Cuff & Kevin Walsh co hosting on weekends pure gold.
 
This couldn't be more wrong

they have 5 second round picks this year.

now tell me they are not virtually worthless?


and despite bruins ratings being down this season and the perceived perception of the two teams, the Bruins routinely SMASH the celtics in ratings.
 
they have 5 second round picks this year.

now tell me they are not virtually worthless?


and despite bruins ratings being down this season and the perceived perception of the two teams, the Bruins routinely SMASH the celtics in ratings.

Why are you singling out 2nd round picks as if that's all the Celtics have?
 
Why are you singling out 2nd round picks as if that's all the Celtics have?


they have one lottery pick

and a couple middle round picks.

the middle round picks might not ever help them at all either unless they can be used in a trade or someone surprises.

the celtics are an organization where in every league they are full to the top with middle round picks



the Bruins firsts are much more valuable and just as plentiful, imo
 
they have one lottery pick

and a couple middle round picks.

the middle round picks might not ever help them at all either unless they can be used in a trade or someone surprises.

the celtics are an organization where in every league they are full to the top with middle round picks



the Bruins firsts are much more valuable and just as plentiful, imo

Wait. The Bruins late firsts are as valuable as the 3 Brooklyn picks? No.
 
I'm no basketball expert but I could name every Celtics player and understand all their picks - protection and otherwise. I also have read up and watched some of the top 10-15 draft picks and this looks like an exceptionally weak draft. Even picking top 5 you may miss

NHL picks last half of first round SLAUGHTER the NBA's 16-30.

NHL picks at 22 is about 8 in the NBA

I love drafts and as a teen still remember thinking what a bunch of dumb ***** the 4 teams infront of Boston were for letting Auerbach draft Bird.

I root for the green but the Bruins are in a superior position to get back to top 5 teams faster than the Celtics.
 

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