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davinhimself

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Needless to say, this season has been a disaster so far.

I think almost all would agree that Cappy is a huge problem.
For this reason, I think it's a little early to judge the Ladd/Chimera signings.
Look what happened to Strome/Lee, who were twice the players they are now before having the privilege of JC's coaching... To me, the roster is still way up in the air....

That being said, NJ is essentially holding the 8 seed and we have lost an absurd amount of points late in games.

Is it possible that we are all overreacting and this team climbs its way back up the standings?
Is it possible for the team to turn it around with JC as coach?

Even with Okposo and Neilsen leaving, it seems completely unrealistic for the difference in talent to equal the difference we've seen so far in performance.

Coaching is an issue but it's the same as we've had here in recent season...


Thoughts?
 
davinhimself said:
Needless to say, this season has been a disaster so far.

I think almost all would agree that Cappy is a huge problem.
For this reason, I think it's a little early to judge the Ladd/Chimera signings.
Look what happened to Strome/Lee, who were twice the players they are now before having the privilege of JC's coaching... To me, the roster is still way up in the air....

That being said, NJ is essentially holding the 8 seed and we have lost an absurd amount of points late in games.

Is it possible that we are all overreacting and this team climbs its way back up the standings?
Is it possible for the team to turn it around with JC as coach?

Even with Okposo and Neilsen leaving, it seems completely unrealistic for the difference in talent to equal the difference we've seen so far in performance.

Coaching is an issue but it's the same as we've had here in recent season...


Thoughts?
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After seeing the last few games and the California trip.. this team is not far off from going on a run, despite the drop in talent.

Cappy is 10% at fault here, Snow is 90% at fault

I think getting ride of Clutter and Halak right now and carrying 12 forwards that gel together is critical right now including Strome, Bernier or Kearns could be the 13th forward, they don't expect to play. Play with the same lines for 8 games, finally get a 2 goal lead in a game and I think this team will fight and it isn't too late just yet
 
davinhimself said:
Needless to say, this season has been a disaster so far.

I think almost all would agree that Cappy is a huge problem.
For this reason, I think it's a little early to judge the Ladd/Chimera signings.
Look what happened to Strome/Lee, who were twice the players they are now before having the privilege of JC's coaching... To me, the roster is still way up in the air....

That being said, NJ is essentially holding the 8 seed and we have lost an absurd amount of points late in games.

Is it possible that we are all overreacting and this team climbs its way back up the standings?
Is it possible for the team to turn it around with JC as coach?

Even with Okposo and Neilsen leaving, it seems completely unrealistic for the difference in talent to equal the difference we've seen so far in performance.

Coaching is an issue but it's the same as we've had here in recent season...


Thoughts?
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Strome and Lee had the same coach back when they were twice the player
 
The teams performance IMO is the result of two primary factors:

Roster :

John Tavares and everyone else -

Looking around the east, we lack high-end impact players after JT, most of the competition have dynamic duo or even trio of proven top-6 talent.

Giroux, Simmonds, Voracek
Stamkos, Kucherov
Crosby, Malkin, Kessel

I'd even go as far as saying Buffalos top-6 is better than ours with O'Reilly, Okposo and Eichel




System:

The ineffective chip and coast is the most counter productive strategy deployed in pro-sports. The Islanders surrender possession in a game that is all about possession. This is partly due to an impotent forecheck, but mostly due to the fact that we have a few guys who are skilled at puck retrieval, Cizikas, Clutterbuck and Lee if he is not the one dumping it in.

The transition game is one of the worst, if not the worst in the league. Nielsens void is felt, Capuano needs to make better use of our fast players, Prince has proven he has the foot speed to carry the puck through the neutral zone, I get the impression Cap is not a huge Prince fan and many have regarded him as the 13th forward. I think he belongs on the team.
 
Chardo said:
Strome and Lee had the same coach back when they were twice the player
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Yes, but they've each regressed it what looks to be two consecutive season.
14-15, Lee had 25 goals and Strome 50+ pts.
15-16 Lee - 15 goals (?) and Strome 28 pts.
16-17 Lee and Strome both look like $h1t

I think there's a real case to be made that their misuse and poor handling has led to this... It's rare to see players in early/mid 20's regress so much in such a short period of time, especially after showing so much promise as rookies.

And Nelson has more or less stayed the same player - certainly not much progression since 14-15, if any...
 
GrandmaSlices51631 said:
The teams performance IMO is the result of two primary factors:

Roster :

John Tavares and everyone else -

Looking around the east, we lack high-end impact players after JT, most of the competition have dynamic duo or even trio of proven top-6 talent.

Giroux, Simmonds, Voracek
Stamkos, Kucherov
Crosby, Malkin, Kessel

I'd even go as far as saying Buffalos top-6 is better than ours with O'Reilly, Okposo and Eichel




System:

The ineffective chip and coast is the most counter productive strategy deployed in pro-sports. The Islanders surrender possession in a game that is all about possession. This is partly due to an impotent forecheck, but mostly due to the fact that we have a few guys who are skilled at puck retrieval, Cizikas, Clutterbuck and Lee if he is not the one dumping it in.

The transition game is one of the worst, if not the worst in the league. Nielsens void is felt, Capuano needs to make better use of our fast players, Prince has proven he has the foot speed to carry the puck through the neutral zone, I get the impression Cap is not a huge Prince fan and many have regarded him as the 13th forward. I think he belongs on the team.
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All of this has been true for years. So what's different today?
 
davinhimself said:
Yes, but they've each regressed it what looks to be two consecutive season.
14-15, Lee had 25 goals and Strome 50+ pts.
15-16 Lee - 15 goals (?) and Strome 28 pts.
16-17 Lee and Strome both look like $h1t

I think there's a real case to be made that their misuse and poor handling has led to this... It's rare to see players in early/mid 20's regress so much in such a short period of time, especially after showing so much promise as rookies.

And Nelson has more or less stayed the same player - certainly not much progression since 14-15, if any...
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Maybe the players deserve the blame? Why have players like Tavares, Cizikas, deHaan, and Hamonic gotten steadily better? Maybe those "regressing" players aren't doing what it takes to progress in the NHL. It's convenient to blame others, but players ultimately need to be accountable.
 
davinhimself said:
Needless to say, this season has been a disaster so far.

I think almost all would agree that Cappy is a huge problem.
For this reason, I think it's a little early to judge the Ladd/Chimera signings.
Look what happened to Strome/Lee, who were twice the players they are now before having the privilege of JC's coaching... To me, the roster is still way up in the air....

That being said, NJ is essentially holding the 8 seed and we have lost an absurd amount of points late in games.

Is it possible that we are all overreacting and this team climbs its way back up the standings?
Is it possible for the team to turn it around with JC as coach?

Even with Okposo and Neilsen leaving, it seems completely unrealistic for the difference in talent to equal the difference we've seen so far in performance.

Coaching is an issue but it's the same as we've had here in recent season... Thoughts?
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This is bigger than the questions you ask. This fan base has had to deal with three decades now of various iterations of evil and/or incompetent ownership. We watched what should have been saviour Wang coming in and changing things back in 2000 but instead he kept the shining symbol of all our failure, Milbury, on board, even re-signing him almost as if to spite the very people who kept the faith. Now we have a new owner who was supposed to take us out of that swamp of failure, but who instead sits back and quietly applauds the failures of an ECHL ceiling coach and his boss who won't consider an upgrade because of cronyism.

No over reaction in here. I'd say everyone had every reason to have expected more from Ledecky and with every passing day that the gong show host and his over protective backup goalie stays in place we gain even more reason to be disgusted with this franchise. And the primary reason is because it doesn't take itself seriously. If it did, Capuano would have been replaced two weeks ago, the GM would have been moved to a useless executive position where he couldn't interfere until his firing next summer, and we'd have some temporary faces in place to keep the ship moving in the right direction.

That is what a competent owner would have done. So much for that. Even the Koolaid crew is facing up to that dark reality lately. That is what you get when your club is owned by clowns.
 
Goaltending is good.
The defense is good.
There is the bright side.

There forwards are so bad it exposes the defense and goaltending and makes them look worse than they are.

Besides Tavares, this is an AHL team - the forwards anyway.
 
There is no bright side to this season. None. I understand we all want to believe it's not doom and gloom...but this time there's no getting around it. Sorry.


We've dug WAY too deep of a hole to climb out of now. The season is over and we wont be making the playoffs. It's too simple to look at the amount of points that we're out. We don't just need to catch ONE team in standings (8th seed)-we need to catch up to and pass every other team in our way...not going to happen.


PS: Don't shoot the messenger.
 
sorry .. no bright side to be seen .. heck we can't even see any light. The hole is just getting deeper and deeper until the front office is replaced. everyone from the coaching staff on up.
 
ScaredStreit said:
There is no bright side to this season. None. I understand we all want to believe it's not doom and gloom...but this time there's no getting around it. Sorry.

We've dug WAY too deep of a hole to climb out of now. The season is over and we wont be making the playoffs. It's too simple to look at the amount of points that we're out. We don't just need to catch ONE team in standings (8th seed)-we need to catch up to and pass every other team in our way...not going to happen.


PS: Don't shoot the messenger.
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I rarely if ever agree with SS, but in this case he 100% accurate.
 
GrandmaSlices51631 said:
The teams performance IMO is the result of two primary factors:

Roster :

John Tavares and everyone else -

Looking around the east, we lack high-end impact players after JT, most of the competition have dynamic duo or even trio of proven top-6 talent.

Giroux, Simmonds, Voracek
Stamkos, Kucherov
Crosby, Malkin, Kessel

I'd even go as far as saying Buffalos top-6 is better than ours with O'Reilly, Okposo and Eichel




System:

The ineffective chip and coast is the most counter productive strategy deployed in pro-sports. The Islanders surrender possession in a game that is all about possession. This is partly due to an impotent forecheck, but mostly due to the fact that we have a few guys who are skilled at puck retrieval, Cizikas, Clutterbuck and Lee if he is not the one dumping it in.

The transition game is one of the worst, if not the worst in the league. Nielsens void is felt, Capuano needs to make better use of our fast players, Prince has proven he has the foot speed to carry the puck through the neutral zone, I get the impression Cap is not a huge Prince fan and many have regarded him as the 13th forward. I think he belongs on the team.
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Bingo.
 
ScaredStreit said:
There is no bright side to this season. None. I understand we all want to believe it's not doom and gloom...but this time there's no getting around it. Sorry.


We've dug WAY too deep of a hole to climb out of now. The season is over and we wont be making the playoffs. It's too simple to look at the amount of points that we're out. We don't just need to catch ONE team in standings (8th seed)-we need to catch up to and pass every other team in our way...not going to happen.


PS: Don't shoot the messenger.
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But the suites are only $20 a night now!
 
Chardo said:
All of this has been true for years. So what's different today?
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Perhaps lack of elite firepower but everything else has transpired since last winter/spring.

We were playing a run and gun style in 14-15, so don't tell me this chip and coast garbage has been happening for years. The team was making skilled zone entries and generating tons of odd man rushes then. They adopted a more boring style at Barclays but what most of us are nauseated with is the poor puck retrieval to this extreme.

Alot of people **** on Martin, but his presence alone out there made the less savvy Defensemen wary, the "energy" line was very good at "chip and chase". They bailed us out of a few games last season. Now Capuano has all 4 lines trying to do what that line did. Another thing that is different today is we don;t have Frans Nielsen, who could glide through the neutral zone and put the puck on someones tape.

This team can barely string together two crisp passes.
 
redbull said:
Goaltending is good.
The defense is good.
There is the bright side.

There forwards are so bad it exposes the defense and goaltending and makes them look worse than they are.

Besides Tavares, this is an AHL team - the forwards anyway.
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The defense is a bigger problem then you think.
 
The bright side on my end is that after the Isles moved our season tix back 20 rows this season, at the rate they're going hopefully they'll move them back up 20 for next year!
 
the only bright side is a shiny new draft pick that garf will screw up .. absolutely disgusted with this team and the people running it ...
 
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