WarriorofTime
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Leafs didn't "boot" Campbell. He signed for more money than Toronto could afford.
The Athletic: Maple Leafs and Panthers rosters weakened the most during the off season
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Because they (and everyone else) knew they could not meet his demands...
It's not rocket science.
TK 421
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T.B. lost McDonagh and Rutta from the defense who combined to put in some serious work for them, I think they'll feel that drop off.
A1LeafNation
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Take the next step champ....bc they don't want to pay a 32 yr old 5m per for sitting the bed twice in the playoffs.
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Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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ThatGuy22
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Yep.
Feels like everyone only looked at the picture, and no one read the article. Most playoff teams and all contenders were in the bottom half. Just only so far you can go up.
He makes it clear in his write up the good teams are still good, and this is just relative change in value per his model.
It is when you take into consideration that no matter who they’ve faced (before this - two teams who due to covid, got to sniff playoffs which they never would have made) they choke when it mattered most. They’ve choked for a decade, over and over again, regardless of how good the team does in the regular season.
They did well against a cup finalist and a dynasty last year but last year, they had goaltending. Say what you want about Campbell but Murray is an AHL goalie and the Caps didn’t give up on Samsonsov for no reason.
I’ve drank the kool aid the last few off seasons but not this one - they’re a much worse team then before.
That’s like saying you quit smoking meth to smoke crack. You can boot Campbell (good goalie when it mattered) and Mrazek (injured, bad contract) but at the end of the day, you’ve only replaced them with Samsonov (a draft pick totally abandoned by the caps) and Murray (an often injured, shell of his former self goalie with an ugly contract).
I’m severely disgruntled over that. They’re paying Murray close to what Edmonton is paying Campbell alone.
A1LeafNation
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There are only two goalies that have won over 25 playoff games in the last 6 years that are under 30, one is Vasilevskiy, the other one has beat him in a playoff series.
How many playoff series has Campbell won at the age of 30?
Pavels Dog
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In Dom's model, Murray/Samsonov is the 28th best tandem in the league. So I don't know if you can "a lot worse" than that.
Avs tandem isn't ideal either, but their defense is a lot better and they're coming from a cup win..
General Fanager
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You might be right, but not only did they get worse. Teams around them got better, that could hurt also....
General Fanager
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In his last year in Pitts he was a 8.99 and a 2.87
Jarry was 9.21 and a 2,43
Im sure the money had a part in it also but he lost his gig to a better younger goalie.....
Dread Clawz
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You have to make the playoffs and the goal is to face an easier opponent.
And yes, I know about Montreal and Columbus. Meaningless.
The $ spent on goaltending says yes, they could have afforded him. If they spent less, I'd agree. Not the case at all.
Campbell is the exact same as Samsonov. His team moved on from him.
To each his opinion, but I'm quite sure they were prepared to go 2-3 years x 5M.
Why do people feel the need to resort to "champ", "buddy" or words of that nature when they disagree?
Seems childish.
Why the obsessive need to change the nature of the argument when quoting someone else?
The quoted post would have been fine if it stood by itself, without quoting someone else.
You're funny. Meaningless? Great argument.
Again with the funny bit. Toronto had no control over Campbell, Washington had control over Samsonov and let him go without trying to get any kind of asset for him. So stating "exact same" is distorting the truth.
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No he didn't. He was still Pittsburgh's de facto #1. Jarry got hot for about a month or two and got the nod then, but by playoff time Murray was once again the starter.
The single biggest reason for trading Murray was his asking price (which he ended up getting from Ottawa). Worst case scenario if you remove salary was the Pens were willing to go with a 1A/1B tandem of Murray/Jarry if Murray wasn't too expensive. They did *NOT* lose faith in him at that point. They simply had no cap room to keep a $6 million goalie.
Golden_Jet
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You need to do this……….so they do ,and lose. …….buts it’s meaningless. Lmao.
Why do you always contradict yourself,
it makes any of your points meaningless.
Hockeyholic
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Need to keep things in perspective though.
The Red Wings improved most. Or are up there. Florida was very much "Weakened".
Yet...Florida will end up with at least 10-15 more points during the season.
The Red Wings improved most. Or are up there. Florida was very much "Weakened".
Yet...Florida will end up with at least 10-15 more points during the season.
letsgrowcactus
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Eh, he could count Vatrano and Tippett instead, or count how many games each player played this year.... but that'd be too complicated, so he's looking at post-playoff rosters ("how is that roster expected to do - version1 vs version2"). It's all relative anyway - players get hurt, for one thing; you can't really predict that.
For the Panthers, I think we are objectively worse on paper, but just as important will be the coaching change. Fingers crossed Maurice does well - still not sure he was the right choice.
socko
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Dubas clearly chose Murray because he needs the goalie salary off the books in a couple of years to overpay his core again and he has a fetish for Soo players. He's clearly willing to overlook that Murray hasn't been a good goalie for years. Meanwhile, Campbell has had the best seasons of his career during the last 2 years. It's a desperate move for a GM that has really proven to me to not have a clue.
