The Athletic: Maple Leafs and Panthers rosters weakened the most during the off season

[leafsfan5]

Do you really think the Leafs "d" is going to insulate Murray? I have my doubts about that.

Leafs are an above average defensive team so they definitely will insulate better compared to what he got in Ottawa

 

[SoundAndFury]

Not much more...you added that modifier for some reason.

Huh? Quotes are literally "Tampa has much better defensemen and goaltending than the Leafs" and "Tampa is far deeper than Florida or Toronto" so what exactly have I added? Missing the argument here.

 

[Coffey]

You’re not wrong

Also, if you actually spelled his name right by memory, that’s impressive

That's a terrible last name to have. My god.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Do you really think the Leafs "d" is going to insulate Murray? I have my doubts about that.

They're going to do a helluva lot better job than Ottawa did. Plus, they'll give him more goal support than he got in Ottawa.

 

[Face Of Bear]

Campbell->Murray
Mrazek->Samsanov
Mikheyev->Jarnkrok

Are at worst marginal downgrades and likely sideways moves that saved 5M in cap space.

Main loss for the leafs tbh is Spezza and I wouldn't rule out him coming back at the mid season if they need him

 

[Go Wings]

Alternative title: "The Athletic understands having Maple Leafs in the title of an article is good for the click count".


Tampa is far deeper than the team that took them to 7 games?

They have been to the cup 3 straight years and won 2. Toronto hasn't won a playoff round in the salary cap era. So yes Tampa is FAR deeper.

 

[Lays]

Don’t know why everyone thinks the Leafs got worse. Campbell isn’t some elite goalie. Murray has a better track record and Samsonov does have potential. Took Campbell like a decade after being drafted to become a starter.

They didn’t improve, but their team didn’t get weaker. Dubas just did nothing this off-season. Biggest addition was Jarnkrok/NAK which replaces Mikheyev. Still think they will never win a playoff series with Dubas at the helm but they’ll be a President’s trophy contender next season. Need to fire Dubas, he’s playing scared lately. Hasn’t made a single big move since the Kadri for Barrie+Kerfoot deal. Still hasn’t acquired a legit top 4 RHD throughout his entire tenure. They need someone who has a pair

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Don’t know why everyone thinks the Leafs got worse. Campbell isn’t some elite goalie. Murray has a better track record and Samsonov does have potential. Took Campbell like a decade after being drafted to become a starter.

They didn’t improve, but their team didn’t get weaker. Dubas just did nothing this off-season. Biggest addition was Jarnkrok/NAK which replaces Mikheyev. Still think they will never win a playoff series with Dubas at the helm but they’ll be a President’s trophy contender next season. Need to fire Dubas, he’s playing scared lately. Hasn’t made a single big move since the Kadri for Barrie+Kerfoot deal. Still hasn’t acquired a legit top 4 RHD throughout his entire tenure. They need someone who has a pair

Brodie?

 

[SoundAndFury]

They have been to the cup 3 straight years and won 2.

I don't understand how is this used to support the argument. Yes, and they have been taking cap casualties yearly. That's EXACTLY what the thread is about, them getting weaker and weaker yearly to the point where they are no longer far and away the top team in the conference.

From the team that won the cup in 2020 they are now missing Palat, Gourde, Coleman, McDonagh, Shattenkirk, Johnson, Goodrow, Paquette, Verhaeghe, Rutta and Schenn. Plus some depth players.

 

[Torontonian]

Toronto made lateral moves, Campbell SV% and numbers are inflated by a good 1 and a half months of hockey, followed by a piss poor 4 month stretch. Murray should post at least the same numbers as him, if not a bit better due to coming from a bad team to a good team and it will be awfully hard for Samsonov not to be better then Mrazek. Other then that we replaced depth forwards (Mikeyev and Spezza) for other depth forwards (NAK and Jankrok)


I think its also unfair to subtract trade deadline pieces off Florida roster and then say they got a lot worse, Without Giroux and Charot, they were still a solid team prior to adding them, Its going to be funny because the top 3 teams in the east aren't going to change. While the bottom feeders have improved, they are no where close to Toronto/Tampa/Florida and you can even add Boston into that, as long as Boston stays afloat while dealing with their injuries they'll be up there as well.

 

[Lays]

Brodie?

I mean Brodie wanted to go to the Leafs and he was a FA signing. Just like Bunting and Tavares

 

[Pavels Dog]

Don’t know why everyone thinks the Leafs got worse. Campbell isn’t some elite goalie. Murray has a better track record and Samsonov does have potential. Took Campbell like a decade after being drafted to become a starter.

Murray’s track record the last few years is garbage. And potential is what every bad player has. Statistically and realistically it’s a very bad tandem.

 

[Senscore]

Leafs should be more concerned with Murray's track record of injuries than his track record of play.


Our media went pretty easy on him in retrospect. We rarely got a clear image of what the health issues were that kept him out of the lineup. That's not something that he can just shake off with some confidence.

 

[Lays]

Murray’s track record the last few years is garbage. And potential is what every bad player has. Statistically and realistically it’s a very bad tandem.

Campbell at the time was an unproven backup who was in the AHL like 2 years prior. Murray has Stanley Cup pedigree, Samsonov has age/draft pedigree. Avs have Georgiev and Francouz as a tandem. You could do a lot worse than Murray/Samsonov

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

I can't wait to see all the reactions when the Panthers and Leafs finish in the top 2 spots in the Atlantic again.

Did he say otherwise?

 

[WarriorofTime]

Sooo... Like Chicago for the last 5 years? Judging from your avatar, you should know exactly how much it matters if you water it down enough.

Nice diversion to show you don't have much of a point.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Regular season is very important.

Sure.

Especially when you lose time after time in the first round (or the play-in)...

Agree, that's why we booted Campbell and Mrazek.

They booted Campbell?

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Win the division. That's a major goal this year.

Yep.

Who gives a f--- about the playoffs?

 

[Dread Clawz]

Who cares? Is that really enough for you?

I don't. I'm just responding to a silly, lazy sports piece.

 

[Dread Clawz]

that wont matter at all. If they do finish in the top 2 and there is no playoff success to speak of....everyone is getting fired.

I know that. It's just funny that a lot of people think the Panthers got so much worse to the point they'll struggle to make or even miss the playoffs. Same thing with the Leafs. Their goaltending is a joke but as far as their divisional seed being threatened? No chance. Both teams will finish with 100+ points again.

 

[Go Wings]

I don't understand how is this used to support the argument. Yes, and they have been taking cap casualties yearly. That's EXACTLY what the thread is about, them getting weaker and weaker yearly to the point where they are no longer far and away the top team in the conference.

From the team that won the cup in 2020 they are now missing Palat, Gourde, Coleman, McDonagh, Shattenkirk, Johnson, Goodrow, Paquette, Verhaeghe, Rutta and Schenn. Plus some depth players.

Once again they made is to the cup for the last 3 years straight. Nothing any team has done in the East has shown that they can get by Tampa.
Toronto is getting weaker also. Having a goaltending duo of Murray and Samsonov is beyond a joke.
Losing Palat and McDonagh hurt but they are still deeper.then every team in their division and probably the entire East.

 

[Dread Clawz]

And? Didn't that happen last year LOL

You guys are gonna struggle a bit IMHO

But most of you think you will be worse this year.

I'm not talking about playoffs...

In the regular season, no we won't struggle. I mean we'll be worse than 122 points, yeah. But I'd bet we finish ahead of Tampa(Not necessarily a slight against Tampa, but they put it on cruise control in the regular season).

 

[A1LeafNation]

Sure.

Especially when you lose time after time in the first round (or the play-in)...




They booted Campbell?

They showed little to no interest in signing him.

 

[Mr Positive]

I don't see the issue with the Leafs. I really like the Samsonov add to hedge the bet on Murray. It seems like a move based on scouting and talent vs plain stat analysis.

Florida and Toronto also made moves to preserve their future. Toronto wanted flexibility in net down the road. Florida wanted to get younger to extend their contending window.

But yes in the short term the offseason was lateral at best. Still, when you are that secure at the top, even a downgrade isn't the end of the world.

It's just too easy for crap teams with tons of space to 'win' the offseason.

 

[Handshot]

I mean Brodie wanted to go to the Leafs and he was a FA signing. Just like Bunting and Tavares

Just a classic case of Dubas not acquiring something the leafs need, except for that one time he did but it doesn't count because that player is from somewhere in southern Ontario