The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

[Fjordy]

Can't figure it really out with the 3 new gapsites I use, they are all somewhat terrible when you compare it with capfriendly

But 32 would be with the with the new cap already calculated in, looks more like 30 to me, but anyway more than I remembered.

However a lot of guys need new contracts, Byram, Zucker, JJ, Quinn, McLeod, Greenway, Joker (or vet top4 D replacement) and several depht guys like backup goalie.

That 30 could be gone fast as some should get nice raises, if they want to keep Byram and he keeps up the good numbers is he getting a contract like Power?

Honestly I didn't count but I think they told me 32 on this board. I think you can't plan your roster for next season exactly and you can't be completely sure who you want to keep and who you don't want to keep but we need to make the playoffs now. Adding a guy like Kreider doesn't rule out a Zucker extension but it doesn't guarantee one either right now. Adams still wanted to add a top 6 F but if Kreider helps us make the playoffs that addition will pay for itself. Look at how Vegas and teams like that manipulate the cap and play around with it, our situation is much simpler. I'm not sure I want to pay Byram 8 million (at the moment) and as it gets closer to the TDL or in the summer I don't know, maybe I will. We have cap space now, we will have a lot of cap space in the summer, you can trade some players and replace them with cheaper ones like regular playoff teams do.

 

[Weltschmerz]

Sabres are 26+ mill under an 88 million dollar cap for next year so that means 33-35 in capspace with the estimated number, that includes the skinner buyout and could be even more if they buyout Samuelsson ( a consideration as he would be only 1/3 if healthy)

I don't see that estimated numbers, the cap is limited to grow not more than 5% in the current CBA.
Guess it was Friedman who came up with the 95 number recently, but that would have the NHL and NHLPA to work that out and that never happened before and not sure why the owners would want to spend more than they have to.

 

[TheBarnIsElectric]

Just to help the discussion:

Probably can't keep Zucker if you're bringing in Kreider. He'd be your new middle 6 vet winger. An upgrade for now, but a multi-year commitment and a risk going forward.

Even if Zucker/McLeod/Greenway come cheap, you're losing the roster place for a young player you probably need to have in the lineup.

That's why I prefer Brock Nelson as an option. He brings goal scoring and net front presence, but isn't a commitment beyond this year. Can decide after who to keep and possibly get someone to fill that role for less $. Nelson could also play C for us.

 

[Fjordy]

Just to help the discussion:
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Probably can't keep Zucker if you're bringing in Kreider. He'd be your new middle 6 vet winger. An upgrade for now, but a multi-year commitment and a risk going forward.

Even if Zucker/McLeod/Greenway come cheap, you're losing the roster place for a young player you probably need to have in the lineup.

That's why I prefer Brock Nelson as an option. He brings goal scoring and net front presence, but isn't a commitment beyond this year. Can decide after who to keep and possibly get someone to fill that role for less $. Nelson could also play C for us.

But you don't know what the roster is going to be next season. Maybe Quinn is gone, you have Kulich in the press box. Maybe Adams trades Cozens or you don't re-sign Greenway for $3 million for the fourth line. There are a lot of options out there, if Kreider is the guy you want right now (and Ruff knows for sure if he is or not), then you try to add him to make help for fight for playoffs, 1-2 losses and we're out again, we're in a bad mood again and we don't know if there will be playoffs this season or not. You'll figure out the cap in the offseason.

 

[Djp]

Well, I don't know yet, maybe they want to shake up a bit, maybe change the veteran core or rejuvenate the team, but it won't be easy for them to do that, there's NTС/NMС there. Trouba sucks, Zibanejad is falling off a cliff with a contract like that, Miller doesn't seem to be living up to expectations, Lindgren is clearly gone.


I didn't quite understand the question. Byram is good now, but I wonder how Adams views his new contract. Mitts was good too, and now he's on another team.

Cap space is the issue next year and what byram is asking for. He could get a long contract or a Mitts contract which was 3 yrs.

trying to sign an additional veteran causes cap problems. An ELC would give breathing room next year.

You can also do that by trading sam for a RD around same cap tnext 3 urs

 

[KrakenSabresMike]

I don't see that estimated numbers, the cap is limited to grow not more than 5% in the current CBA.
Guess it was Friedman who came up with the 95 number recently, but that would have the NHL and NHLPA to work that out and that never happened before and not sure why the owners would want to spend more than they have to.

It was not” come up with” but reported from the league meetings as the likely cap from the commissioner and team governors

 

[Weltschmerz]

It was not” come up with” but reported from the league meetings as the likely cap from the commissioner and team governors

Thats wrong it was an NHLPA meeting, no commissioner and no team governors, and of course the players would like the cap as high as possible:

One of the stories that we’ve been following this week is the salary cap for next year. At this time of year, the Players’ Association meets with all the players as part of its fall tour and it’s taken on added-on importance because there’s going to be a CBA negotiation next year. One of the things that they’re talking about is the salary cap which is supposed to be about $92.5 million for next year.



also Bettman said the numbers "are not close to accurate" starts at about 8:25

Bettman: Michael Andlauer is going to take what was started and take it to the next level

 

[Fjordy]

I think the top 6 F is also very relevant.

 

[Matt Ress]

Tough decisions at the deadline.

 

[joshjull]

I’m hoping Greenway is back soon and we can reunite the 3rd line.

 

[toddkaz]

Just to help the discussion:
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Probably can't keep Zucker if you're bringing in Kreider. He'd be your new middle 6 vet winger. An upgrade for now, but a multi-year commitment and a risk going forward.

Even if Zucker/McLeod/Greenway come cheap, you're losing the roster place for a young player you probably need to have in the lineup.

That's why I prefer Brock Nelson as an option. He brings goal scoring and net front presence, but isn't a commitment beyond this year. Can decide after who to keep and possibly get someone to fill that role for less $. Nelson could also play C for us.

Get NYR to retain on Kreider but I dont see Buffalo taking him on when we have a plethora of forward prospects.

 

[truthbluth]

Dylan Cozens at 7mill is a huge f***ing problem. I know his value is low, but if he doesn't turn it around soon it's going to be a completely immovable contract. I would trade him right now.
Right. Now.

 

[joshjull]

Really don't know where this Jiricek fixation is coming from, other than he's a high pick RHD who might be available.

Sure, he'd be a nice add *as a prospect*. But he can't even crack the CBJ roster. We need a *veteran* top-4 RHD.

Broken record time - the youngest team in the league won't improve by getting even younger.

I’m assuming this is what started the speculation

 

[Fjordy]

Get NYR to retain on Kreider but I dont see Buffalo taking him on when we have a plethora of forward prospects.

We don't have someone like Kreider here and now, it was very noticeable yesterday. I think he would help a lot both on and off the ice, plus Ruff already knows him.

Dylan Cozens at 7mill is a huge f***ing problem. I know his value is low, but if he doesn't turn it around soon it's going to be a completely immovable contract. I would trade him right now.
Right. Now.

Not that I'm against it, but who to trade him for? Right now, Cozens is barely scoring, despite regularly getting top 6 time. And that's not his only problem.

I’m assuming this is what started the speculation

Pens has an asset problem, Wild or Buffalo.

 

[toddkaz]

We don't have someone like Kreider here and now, it was very noticeable yesterday. I think he would help a lot both on and off the ice, plus Ruff already knows him.

Not that I'm against it, but who to trade him for? Right now, Cozens is barely scoring, despite regularly getting top 6 time. And that's not his only problem.


Pens has an asset problem, Wild or Buffalo.

Do you think Adams sees these things and is working on it? Do you think Adams sees Joker in the top 4 as a major problem?

I am not being sarcastic its a genuine question. I am curious if he is oblivious to the problems or not.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Cap space is the issue next year and what byram is asking for. He could get a long contract or a Mitts contract which was 3 yrs.

trying to sign an additional veteran causes cap problems. An ELC would give breathing room next year.

You can also do that by trading sam for a RD around same cap tnext 3 urs

No it isn’t. Why do you keep peddling this? Multiple writers have done the math on this for what their projected contracts citing AFP who are usually on the money.

Sabres have enough space with the extensions they’ll be doing, the Skinner buyout and cap rising to fit a 7 million dollar player long term and still keep everyone. This is also before Quinn completely shit down his leg this season.

You either are choosing to ignore evidence in your face or you don’t understand what you’re looking at. But this narrative you say repeatedly that Sabres don’t have space after their upcoming extensions needs to end.

 

[Fjordy]

Do you think Adams sees these things and is working on it? Do you think Adams sees Joker in the top 4 as a major problem?

I am not being sarcastic its a genuine question. I am curious if he is oblivious to the problems or not.

Well, he said that he is constantly working and looking for improvement, plus insiders reported this. I also think Ruff could have pushed him a little. We are not perfect in attack, we do not have a top 4 RD. Although it is clear that not everything depends on Adams (NMC/NTC, not many teams probably want to trade now), but here he is partly to blame himself.

 

[Chainshot]

We don't have someone like Kreider here and now, it was very noticeable yesterday. I think he would help a lot both on and off the ice, plus Ruff already knows him.

Not that I'm against it, but who to trade him for? Right now, Cozens is barely scoring, despite regularly getting top 6 time. And that's not his only problem.


Pens has an asset problem, Wild or Buffalo.

I've read the Wild may have Yurov as the offer. That's probably better than anything Buffalo can put up.

 

[Weltschmerz]

No it isn’t. Why do you keep peddling this? Multiple writers have done the math on this for what their projected contracts citing AFP who are usually on the money.

Sabres have enough space with the extensions they’ll be doing, the Skinner buyout and cap rising to fit a 7 million dollar player long term and still keep everyone. This is also before Quinn completely shit down his leg this season.

You either are choosing to ignore evidence in your face or you don’t understand what you’re looking at. But this narrative you say repeatedly that Sabres don’t have space after their upcoming extensions needs to end.

Where do you see those? I went some pages back and but only see the one on this page where it didn't even work with a cap of 95.

 

[Fjordy]

I've read the Wild may have Yurov as the offer. That's probably better than anything Buffalo can put up.

Well, if Adams isn't going to offer Kuliсh/Helenius or Quinn, then yeah. I think the Wild are the favorites here. They have a great Faber, an experienced Spurgeon, and even Bogosian looks decent, I think Jiricek will fit in there well.

 

[toddkaz]

Well, if Adams isn't going to offer Kuliсh/Helenius or Quinn, then yeah. I think the Wild are the favorites here. They have a great Faber, an experienced Spurgeon, and even Bogosian looks decent, I think Jiricek will fit in there well.

Kreider will be 34 this hockey season(April) I don't think I would want to offer that. If we were a Kreider away from a cup run then maybe but even then its a big sacrifice.

 

[Fjordy]

Kreider will be 34 this hockey season(April) I don't think I would want to offer that. If we were a Kreider away from a cup run then maybe but even then its a big sacrifice.

Well I agree in part there are concerns, but his contract is not that long, he is still pretty fast, even if his wheels fall off a little he will still be average in NHL speed, not to mention his experience and play front of the net. He also hardly misses games due to injuries at all.

Baker and Fairburn both said he was their #1 forward target at this stage. And I basically agree with them.

 

[Finnen]

Just to help the discussion:
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Probably can't keep Zucker if you're bringing in Kreider. He'd be your new middle 6 vet winger. An upgrade for now, but a multi-year commitment and a risk going forward.

Even if Zucker/McLeod/Greenway come cheap, you're losing the roster place for a young player you probably need to have in the lineup.

That's why I prefer Brock Nelson as an option. He brings goal scoring and net front presence, but isn't a commitment beyond this year. Can decide after who to keep and possibly get someone to fill that role for less $. Nelson could also play C for us.

Where is Helenius?

Helenuis is a big talent.

Helenius is probably a big sniper or Helenius is a big scorer.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

I've read the Wild may have Yurov as the offer. That's probably better than anything Buffalo can put up.

Depends on how CBJ would value Ostlund relative to Yurov, perhaps. And of course if Adams was putting Ostlund on the table.

Where is Helenius?

Helenuis is a big talent.

Helenius is probably a big sniper or Helenius is a big scorer.

Very, very low chance he's on the team next year.

 

[Finnen]

Very, very low chance he's on the team next year.

f***ing shit.